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Old 10-26-2012, 08:25 PM    (permalink
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Just posted the second mock draft of the year and there were a lot of big changes!


As always constructive criticism is not only welcomed but encouraged. However, please be sure to explain the reasoning behind your opinions like I do in the mock or risk being infracted.

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Scott, great job as always, do you think 5 is too high for Milliner or Banks?

I would say our D-line is solid, could definitely use a pass rusher no doubt, but when your starting secondary is Lee-Branch-Giordano-Huff, something needs to be done. So I think CB, DE, and QB would be top 3 positions to look at for the Raiders.

You mentioned a TE but I think Myers has been doing a great job thus far.
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Scott, great job as always, do you think 5 is too high for Milliner or Banks?
I do think Top 5 overall would be too rich for Johnathan Banks or Dee Milliner. They are more mid-1st Round values, although I may be in the minority because I personally prefer Banks.
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I think the comparison to Mark Ingram in the Lattimore writeup are pretty indicative. Ingram is pretty much shown that the value (or lack thereof) of a workhorse style back in a passing offense with limited touches available for an RB. Would Lattimore really be any better in Green Bay's offense than Ingram was in New Orleans'?

I'm not sure he's a great zone running back anyway.

I'd rather have Eifert in Green Bay than any of this year's RBs anyway.
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I think the comparison to Mark Ingram in the Lattimore writeup are pretty indicative. Ingram is pretty much shown that the value (or lack thereof) of a workhorse style back in a passing offense with limited touches available for an RB. Would Lattimore really be any better in Green Bay's offense than Ingram was in New Orleans'?

I'm not sure he's a great zone running back anyway.

I'd rather have Eifert in Green Bay than any of this year's RBs anyway.
I definitely think it's fair to question whether Lattimore is a special enough prospect at the running back position to invest a first round pick on. Personally, I'd be inclined to wait a round or two where I could get similar productive at a fraction of the cost.

As for Ingram, I think some of his issues stem from how New Orleans utilizes him and he really hasn't gotten a chance to be a workhorse in the NFL yet.
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I definitely think it's fair to question whether Lattimore is a special enough prospect at the running back position to invest a first round pick on. Personally, I'd be inclined to wait a round or two where I could get similar productive at a fraction of the cost.

As for Ingram, I think some of his issues stem from how New Orleans utilizes him and he really hasn't gotten a chance to be a workhorse in the NFL yet.
Well, why would New Orleans give Ingram a chance to be a workhorse back when it involves taking the ball out of Drew Brees's hands?

Likewise, why would Green Bay give Lattimore a chance to be a workhorse back when it involves taking the ball out of Aaron Rodgers' hands?

I think the "wait to take RBs" school of thought is correct, and particularly correct when it comes to teams which run their offense through the passing game. If you want to play RB in a pass-first offense, you need to be able to block, catch, and make the most of limited opportunities. You can't be a guy who needs 20-25 carries to get rolling, which is what, I fear, most "consensus top RBs" are. I don't think guys who block, catch, and can hit an open hole when there is one are necessarily worth first round picks.
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I really like the Arthur Brown pick for the Ravens. MLB might be the biggest need on the team and he's a good fit for what they need in the front-seven.
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How does Werner fall out of the top 15? Pass Rushers are a perineum in the NFL and he is arguably one of the best in this class.
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Probably (and this isn't fair to him, but this happens) because there's kind of a stigma attached FSU pass rushers since the track record has not been strong (it's like PSU RBs or USC WRs.)
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How does Werner fall out of the top 15? Pass Rushers are a perineum in the NFL and he is arguably one of the best in this class.
Just not sure Werner is dynamic enough as a pass rusher to go in the top half of round one. Don't get me wrong Werner is a terrific all-around player, but I wonder how much of a force he will be off the edge at the next level. As "PossibleCabbage" mentioned, Florida St. defensive ends don't exactly have a great track record translating to the NFL either.
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I think you Can eliminate WR as a possibIlity for Dallas. Right now they're getting embarrassed at the LOS.

Warmack looks iupati-esque so that's a good call. They should be after Montgomery, barkevious, Werner, and Moore too.
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Just not sure Werner is dynamic enough as a pass rusher to go in the top half of round one. Don't get me wrong Werner is a terrific all-around player, but I wonder how much of a force he will be off the edge at the next level. As "PossibleCabbage" mentioned, Florida St. defensive ends don't exactly have a great track record translating to the NFL either.
Seems short sighted to compare players from the previous coaching staff to players from this staff. Werner isn't only a tremendous pass rusher, but he plays the run as well if not better than other DE in this draft.
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I think having a solid center in Barrett Jones would do the team more good than Lattimore
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Sylvester Williams is a solid value but I think the Patriots should look for another pass rusher more than a defensive tackle considering they already have Vince Wilfork and Kyle Love.
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Sylvester Williams is a solid value but I think the Patriots should look for another pass rusher more than a defensive tackle considering they already have Vince Wilfork and Kyle Love.
New England has added a lot of defensive end / outside linebacker types like Jermaine Cunningham, Chandler Jones and Jake Bequette the past few years though...
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New England has added a lot of defensive end / outside linebacker types like Jermaine Cunningham, Chandler Jones and Jake Bequette the past few years though...
Williams isn't an awful pick, but I'd prefer to address the interior pass rush with one of those 2nd-3rd type guys that are always available. Love and Wilfork are above average guys at DT, but they desperately need somebody who can get a rush inside. There are always undersized guys like Crick and Atkins available later, so I would hold off and pull the trigger later. Realistically this DT would only need to play 30 snaps a game. That DE end spot opposite Jones is still a problem, and I'm fairly confident Bequette and Cunningham aren't long term solutions there.

You did a pretty good job of mapping out the Patriots needs, but if I could add one more I'd say an athletic linebacker to play in nickel packages would be one. The Spikes, Hightower, and Mayo trio has had its issues in coverage this year.
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Williams isn't an awful pick, but I'd prefer to address the interior pass rush with one of those 2nd-3rd type guys that are always available. Love and Wilfork are above average guys at DT, but they desperately need somebody who can get a rush inside. There are always undersized guys like Crick and Atkins available later, so I would hold off and pull the trigger later. Realistically this DT would only need to play 30 snaps a game. That DE end spot opposite Jones is still a problem, and I'm fairly confident Bequette and Cunningham aren't long term solutions there.

You did a pretty good job of mapping out the Patriots needs, but if I could add one more I'd say an athletic linebacker to play in nickel packages would be one. The Spikes, Hightower, and Mayo trio has had its issues in coverage this year.
I can see Hightower eventually assuming Ninko's role in this defense. He's bigger and faster than Ninko He's actually very good rushing the passer. And, can drop into coverage. I doubt a pass-rushing dt drops to where the pats pick. But, I'd like to pick someone up in the first 3 rounds. Would also like to see a 4-3 OLB who can play in space and a safety.
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No way they kick Glenn from the LT spot and you don't draft a RT in the top 10. Pears/Hairstion combo is fine at RT.
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No way they kick Glenn from the LT spot and you don't draft a RT in the top 10. Pears/Hairstion combo is fine at RT.
Ah, Bills fans. I remember the days when they were ripping me on these same forums for saying Terrance Pennington wasn't the long-term answer. Same goes for Hairston and Pairs.
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Nix isn't moving Glenn from LT so doesn't matter what you think they should do. they see him as a LT he's played good there he isn't getting moved. Can the Luke play RT cuz he isn't playing LT for the Bills. Also Nix has never drafted a OT in round 1 so I don't see him taking a RT at 6. Cb, SS, de, 2 lb, WR and qb are all needed way before a rt.
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Ah, Bills fans. I remember the days when they were ripping me on these same forums for saying Terrance Pennington wasn't the long-term answer. Same goes for Hairston and Pairs.
Sorry Scott, gatta back redbills here. Glenn was a 2nd round pick, whom many considered to be a first rounder (yes at guard), but the Bills always viewed him as a LT. I remember at the pre-draft luncheon Nix and the scouts said they saw Glenn as a LT, one of the reporters even said a lot of the draftnicks see Glenn as a G, and Nix laughed and said he didn't put stock in to that and the kid did it all year at LT in the SEC, started off slow but got real good as the year went on.

Then after we drafted him, they stuck to staying LT only, and he got every LT rep from OTA's through training camp. Till his injury, he was a stud at LT in run and pass blocking, he was one of the few bright spots this year. I'm not saying Joeckel isn't worth the pick, or that we won't take him if he's BPA, but Glenn will not be moving from LT, if we took Joeckel he'd be RT, and I doubt we'd do that.

Fitz was one of the least sacked QBs, and our running game was tops in the league (till Glenn and Urbik went down, and we are still ranked high), we have way higher needs than tackle. I'd venture to say the pick is almost 100% going to be defense unless it's QB, although I agree we need more weapons in the passing game.
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Really like the Niner pick.
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Really like the Niner pick.
I really struggled with the Niners pick because they don't have a ton of holes.

Would be interested to hear how a San Fran fan assesses their needs.
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Say what you will about Terrance Pennington, but the Bills still haven't spent a first rounder on a tackle in all this time. I'm going to guess (I actually know for a fact) that we argued against a tackle because we still had a stud LT in those days and didn't see the need to spend a top-half of the first round pick on a right tackle. Sounds about like the situation we could be looking at, right now.

RT is the most unsure of our positions on the line, but the need does not come close to matching, oh, any other position outside of running back. I support the idea of having two very good tackles. Joeckel is darn good and I'm not guaranteeing anything about Cordy Glenn, who has played 3.5 NFL games. But I just don't see this pick. I can see this regime or, should it come to it, a different one bringing in a tackle with a decently valuable pick, depending on how Pears finishes the year, but not nearly this high.

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Scott,

Not sure where to put this but I figured you'd be checking this thread out more than others. How credible are Bucky Brooks and his scouting sources?
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