Post-Week 8 Mock

Robcards · 10-29-2012, 12:57 PM

Re-simmed the second half of the season since so many teams' value has changed quite a bit in the past few weeks (the Ravens, in particular).

1 JAC - Geno Smith - QB - West Virginia
2 CLE - Bjoern Werner - DE - Florida State
3 KC - Matt Barkley - QB - USC
4 CAR - Johnathan Hankins - DT - Ohio State
5 TEN - Star Lotuleilei - DT - Utah
6 OAK - Tyler Wilson - QB - Arkansas
7 NYJ (trade with CIN) - Jarvis Jones - OLB - Georgia
8 TB - Barkevious Mingo - DE - LSU
9 STL - Luke Joeckel - LT - Texas A&M
10 ARI - Taylor Lewan - LT - Michigan
11 MIN - Dee Milliner - CB - Alabama
12 SD - John Jenkins - NT - Georgia
13 CIN (trade with NYJ) - Sam Montgomery - DE - LSU
14 IND - Damontre Moore - OLB - Texas A&M
15 NO - Johnathan Banks - CB - Mississippi State
16 BUF - Keenan Allen - WR - California
17 STL (from WAS) - Eric Reid - FS - LSU
18 PHI - Alex Okafor - DE - Texas
19 DAL - Chance Warmack - OG - Alabama
20 DET - Xavier Rhodes - DB - Florida State
21 MIA - Justin Hunter - WR - Tennessee
22 BAL - Manti Te'o - ILB - Notre Dame
23 SEA - Robert Woods - WR - USC
24 NYG - Barrett Jones - OL - Alabama
25 PIT - LeVeon Bell - RB - Michigan State
26 DEN - Jesse Williams - DT - Alabama
27 SF - Cordarrelle Patterson - WR - Tennessee
28 ATL - Tyler Eifert - TE - Notre Dame
29 CHI - Eric Fisher - OT - Central Michigan
30 NE - Dion Jordan - DE - Oregon
31 HOU - C.J. Mosley - ILB - Alabama
32 GB - Eddie Lacy - RB - Alabama

Let me know what you think! For the most part I tried to have teams select BPA with needs drafting for special circumstances such as needing a QB, and keeping in mind the team's scheme and how the player would fit in there, or having lots of money tied up in the position or youth at the position, etc. As you should know, teams don't always draft their biggest need, so please refrain from saying 'i dunno i think the bengals need a safety more' or whatever, try to keep it to 'i dont think that guy is a scheme fit because of this and this' etc.

ps- i am a jets fan and therefore the only trade i have is them trading up to get jarvis jones, the current management loves to trade up when they can get a guy theyre in love with and if jones is sitting there at 7 theyd definitely pull the trigger, personally im hoping for that as we need an explosive rusher like jones

vidae · 10-29-2012, 01:06 PM

I would be shocked if the Chiefs aren't picking 1st overall, but I'll take Barkley at 3.

Robcards · 10-29-2012, 02:00 PM

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I would be shocked if the Chiefs aren't picking 1st overall, but I'll take Barkley at 3.

I feel the same way about the Jaguars. Worst team in the league and its not even close. Only reason they have a shot at not having the worst record in the NFL is because they are in the worst division in the NFL.

vidae · 10-30-2012, 09:34 AM

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I feel the same way about the Jaguars. Worst team in the league and its not even close. Only reason they have a shot at not having the worst record in the NFL is because they are in the worst division in the NFL.

It isn't close? The Chiefs haven't led a game all year, the only team to do that since 1940. They haven't been competitive in any single game this year (except the Saints game, that they magically won in OT) and the Jags are coming out multiple competitive games in a row, even against the Packers on Sunday.

You're right, it isn't close, but not the way you're leaning.

Robcards · 10-30-2012, 01:23 PM

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It isn't close? The Chiefs haven't led a game all year, the only team to do that since 1940. They haven't been competitive in any single game this year (except the Saints game, that they magically won in OT) and the Jags are coming out multiple competitive games in a row, even against the Packers on Sunday.

You're right, it isn't close, but not the way you're leaning.

You're the same guy who argued this same thing last year when chiefs didn't have a win yet right? Remember I said they'd finish with at least 6 wins? Yeah I'm done listening to you. Delusional chiefs fan ftl

vidae · 10-30-2012, 01:25 PM

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You're the same guy who argued this same thing last year when chiefs didn't have a win yet right? Remember I said they'd finish with at least 6 wins? Yeah I'm done listening to you. Delusional chiefs fan ftl

How am I delusional? I'm saying the Chiefs are awful. If anything you're the delusional one here thinking they're not the worst team in the league.

Beeteedubs, nice homer trade. And I'm the delusional one.

Raiderz4Life · 10-29-2012, 01:07 PM

Ty Wilson at 6 is OK with me.

Razor · 10-29-2012, 01:08 PM

I'd be really, really surprised if BB takes Jordan in the first. He's a great athlete, but when I watch him I don't think he looks like a NFL LDE which is what we need. In this scenario I'd take Jonathan Cooper, who to me is a top 20 player even if he's "just" a guard.

Robcards · 10-29-2012, 02:02 PM

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I'd be really, really surprised if BB takes Jordan in the first. He's a great athlete, but when I watch him I don't think he looks like a NFL LDE which is what we need. In this scenario I'd take Jonathan Cooper, who to me is a top 20 player even if he's "just" a guard.

Yeah, that was a strange one for me, it's always hard to mock Patriots picks anyway. I just don't like mocking guards in the first round. Tried to stick to just Warmack and Jones, and Jones at least has the versatility to play C and T as well. It's pretty rare when 3 or more interior linemen get drafted that early, there's usually about 2 a year.

ChicagoBearsVet23 · 10-29-2012, 01:47 PM

Right position for sure. I'd prefer Jake Mathews or Dallas Thomas. Bears FO would like Thomas's versatility to play guard and tackle.

Robcards · 10-29-2012, 01:59 PM

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Right position for sure. I'd prefer Jake Mathews or Dallas Thomas. Bears FO would like Thomas's versatility to play guard and tackle.

Not sure if Matthews or Thomas will make good LTs in the NFL. Everything I'm hearing about this CMU guy Fisher is more promising and if anyones stock is going to rise by draft time its him.

Pat Sims 90 · 10-29-2012, 03:28 PM

Idk why the Bengals would trade down. They more then likely would stay put and take Jarvis Jones. They love Georgia Bulldogs and Marvin Lewis loves LB/DE Hybrids. The Bengals also rarely trade. Mike Brown will only trade if the team is willing to give up more then what it is worth.

Robcards · 10-29-2012, 07:42 PM

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Idk why the Bengals would trade down. They more then likely would stay put and take Jarvis Jones. They love Georgia Bulldogs and Marvin Lewis loves LB/DE Hybrids. The Bengals also rarely trade. Mike Brown will only trade if the team is willing to give up more then what it is worth.

Carlos Dunlap is 6'6 280 lbs and Michael Johnson is 6'7 266 lbs. While Jarvis Jones is 6'2 and currently around 245, assuming he packs on a little weight he'll be about 250-255 at the combine. And I don't see him playing LB in a 4-3 scheme, and if he did his value wouldn't be worth a top 10 pick as 4-3 OLBs are worth about as much as OGs are. And before anyone says Von Miller, let's be serious here Von Miller is a DE in Denver essentially.

Pat Sims 90 · 10-29-2012, 08:08 PM

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Von Miller, let's be serious here Von Miller is a DE in Denver essentially.

Miller has lined up in Coverage quiet a bit this year. I did not know DE line up in Coverage that often.

Jarvis Jones is in a mold similar to Von Miller.

Robcards · 10-29-2012, 11:32 PM

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Miller has lined up in Coverage quiet a bit this year. I did not know DE line up in Coverage that often.

Jarvis Jones is in a mold similar to Von Miller.

So do 3-4 OLBs on non-passing situations, that doesn't make them 4-3 LBs.

Pat Sims 90 · 10-30-2012, 01:52 AM

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So do 3-4 OLBs on non-passing situations, that doesn't make them 4-3 LBs.

Well you said he was just a DE. He is clearly a hybrid LB/DE.

If you want to argue you size and say he won't fit in the Bengals scheme. David Pollack was 6-2 250 when drafted and Dontay Moch 6-2 240 at the time they drafted them and both were turned into LB/DE.

Jarvis Jones fit perfectly at what the Bengals do. He plays for Georgia and is a hybrid LB/DE.

Bengals78 · 10-29-2012, 05:03 PM

Hahaahahahahahahahaahahaha
Pass up the best OLB in the draft (a huge position of need for us none the less) and trade the pick?

Uh. How about no.

Robcards · 10-29-2012, 07:31 PM

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Hahaahahahahahahahaahahaha
Pass up the best OLB in the draft (a huge position of need for us none the less) and trade the pick?

Uh. How about no.

He isn't a 4-3 OLB you know that right? Don't see how he fits on the Bengals. If you know something about their defensive scheme that I don't I would love to hear it, but laughing and saying that a guy who would play DE for you and calling him an OLB only shows your ignorance.

Robcards · 10-29-2012, 07:33 PM

Manti Te'o is going to have to have one hell of a combine like Kuechly did to get drafted higher than around 20. Think he's only slightly better than Hightower at this point and he went 26th. Kuechly is a rare beast and Te'o is not even close to him which is what you need to be drafted in the first half of the 1st round as an ILB.

Bengals78 · 10-29-2012, 07:39 PM

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He isn't a 4-3 OLB you know that right? Don't see how he fits on the Bengals. If you know something about their defensive scheme that I don't I would love to hear it, but laughing and saying that a guy who would play DE for you and calling him an OLB only shows your ignorance.

Yes he is. He is talented enough. David Pollack wasn't a 4-3 LB.
Michael Johnson isn't. Dontay Moch isn't.
Marvin likes 4-3 SLB who can line up with their hand down and rush also.
Part of why we were interested in Wimbley and kept Lawson.

FootballGod · 10-30-2012, 07:16 AM

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Hahaahahahahahahahaahahaha
Pass up the best OLB in the draft (a huge position of need for us none the less) and trade the pick?

Uh. How about no.

This is the most unrealistic trade scenario I could imagine for the Bengals. The Jets would have to give us an additional 1st and 2nd round pick to pass on Jones. I know the OP is a Jets homer but this is egregious!!!

Robcards · 10-30-2012, 01:25 PM

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This is the most unrealistic trade scenario I could imagine for the Bengals. The Jets would have to give us an additional 1st and 2nd round pick to pass on Jones. I know the OP is a Jets homer but this is egregious!!!

Don't see why the cost would be that much, the cowboys moved from 14 to 6 to get the rams to pass on Claiborne, a position of great need for the rams, for only a mid 2nd round pick. And this is 13 to 7. 1st and 2nd is more than fair...

RaiderNation · 10-29-2012, 06:13 PM

I doubt we draft a QB early with all the holes we have, Palmer has been the least of our problems. I'd think we go Jones or Mingo there.

Raiderz4Life · 10-29-2012, 06:16 PM

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I doubt we draft a QB early with all the holes we have, Palmer has been the least of our problems. I'd think we go Jones or Mingo there.

I wish you'd stop saying that because it's clearly not true. Palmer is a problem

Bengals78 · 10-29-2012, 06:51 PM

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I wish you'd stop saying that because it's clearly not true. Palmer is a problem

Not for me!