Mike Glennon - Best QB in Class of '13?

[87Canes]

Folks,

I'm a KC Chiefs fan so I'm obviously looking at QB for my team's draft pick. This QB class doesn't have any can't miss products but Mike Glennon is very intriguing. I definitely like his size, arm strength and accuracy but everything I've read on him dings him for accuracy. I haven't seen that on anything I've watched but then again, I don't have access to anything more than Youtube.

I have thought about a "Poor man's Matt Ryan" since he has the size, arm strength and is a Tom O'Brien product but it's way too early in my research to stand by that comment 100%.

What's your analysis of Mike Glennon? If this has been discussed in a previous topic, please provide a link so I can read up on it. I tried to find one specific thread on MG but found nothing.

[Razor]

He looks like the first overall pick on one snap. On the next he doesn't look draftable. He needs to cut down the number of mistakes he makes. His receivers aren't helping him though. I really like him and think he should be a first rounder. But the inconsistency has to worry the evaluators.

[87Canes]

Originally Posted by Razor

He looks like the first overall pick on one snap. On the next he doesn't look draftable. He needs to cut down the number of mistakes he makes. His receivers aren't helping him though. I really like him and think he should be a first rounder. But the inconsistency has to worry the evaluators.

I did notice his WRs don't help him at all and some of his INTs have been drops this season.

In a very weak QB class, I think he may be able to wow scouts in the "shorts workouts" such as the combine and be drafted much higher than most people think because of his potential.

His size and arm strength really helps him but I was impressed by his accuracy despite the pros saying that he's not accurate. I was able to watch more of last year's tape and I saw some really good "NFL type" throws against Clemson and Louisville.

[ncst8fan83]

The issue with Glennon will never be physical. I question his mental aptitude for the game, which was the same issue his brother always had. Our OL is HORRID. Our WR's are below average. We have no TE that will sniff the league. With that said, Glennon has zero pocket awareness and is a statue in the pocket. He is horrible dropping back from under center and does his best work in the shotgun with a no-huddle type offense.

Against UNC, arguably his greatest game he has played in college, he went 29/52 (56%), 467 yards, 5 TD, 2 INT. His receivers had 10 (10!!!!) drops. One of the INTs was on the wideout. The other was a bad pass down the sideline to a freshman WR that was ridden out of bounds by the corner. The WR made no play on the ball, but it was a bad pass. I haven't watched the game back to see how many yards or touchdowns the drops caused, but I think it is safe to say without the drops he would have had at least another 75 yards and a touchdown.

If I am an NFL team, I don't touch Glennon unless I have time to develop him and a coaching staff that can teach him how to study film and apply it on the field. I'd love to see a competent coaching staff get a hold of his physical skill set.

i posted this in another thread. Over the past 3 games, our WR's have dropped, no lie, at least 20 passes. Glennon only knows one velocity which hurts him on those short to intermediate throws. It's not one of those "catchable" balls.

He is a classic boom or bust guy. Reminds me of Drew Bledsoe, Ryan Mallett, and Jeff George with his physical ability to play the QB position with some mental blocks that don't get them past that point of greatness. Has some serious mental shortcomings that a RS-SR shouldn't have issues with. If you have a QB coach that is patient and can bring the best out of him mentally, I think he'll easily be a Pro Bowl type QB. If he is stuck on a team with a veteran QB and gets no attention to develop his understanding of the game, he will be a bust and out of the league in 3 years.

[87Canes]

Originally Posted by ncst8fan83

i posted this in another thread. Over the past 3 games, our WR's have dropped, no lie, at least 20 passes. Glennon only knows one velocity which hurts him on those short to intermediate throws. It's not one of those "catchable" balls.

He is a classic boom or bust guy. Reminds me of Drew Bledsoe, Ryan Mallett, and Jeff George with his physical ability to play the QB position with some mental blocks that don't get them past that point of greatness. Has some serious mental shortcomings that a RS-SR shouldn't have issues with. If you have a QB coach that is patient and can bring the best out of him mentally, I think he'll easily be a Pro Bowl type QB. If he is stuck on a team with a veteran QB and gets no attention to develop his understanding of the game, he will be a bust and out of the league in 3 years.

Thanks for the info. KC will not have the same staff as they do this year so I have no idea what his situation would be like if he was drafted here. I did notice that all of his throws are bullets so that's never good and maybe that explains why the WRs drop so many passes.

Either way, it seems like the consensus is that his only issue is mental and not physical as he has everything you'd want in an NFL QB physically. Maybe he'll hook up with Todd Shea for pre draft workouts and the QB guru will be able to help build his mental awareness and toughness pre draft.

The throw that sold me on Glennon as a legit QB prospect was a skinny post in last year's game vs Clemson. Ball was perfectly placed right above the pursuing defender and right in front of his WR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avFKFcJJ6Xc

The throw I'm referring to is at the 4:20 mark

[Pat Sims 90]

I don't see it. He has the tools to work with, but he is going to need a really good coaching staff to get some more consistent play out of him.

[Razor]

The NCST receivers were atrocious when they played UNC. They dropped a ton of balls... But I agree with everything NCST83 just posted.

[FUNBUNCHER]

Glennon is too physically gifted to be 'out of the league in 3 years'.
It's a question of whether or not he'll be a great pro or not.
The biggest thing Glennon lacks IMO is playing experience.

Right now he's a Flacco level prospect with the upside to be better than that.
He's a good pick, just not a can't-miss selection.

In this class I don't see many QBs other than maybe Geno Smith I'd take ahead of him.

[SchizophrenicBatman]

The Flacco comparison isn't bad. They both have flaws coming out of college but the physical tools might end up outweighing those problems for both. Glennon isn't going to win you games by himself. And you're going to need a good OLine. Not that different from Joe.

All I know is that Russell Wilson was much better than him in college on the same team. I'm not sure what that means since Russ is now starting for Seattle, but I'm throwing it out there.

[87Canes]

Originally Posted by SchizophrenicBatman

The Flacco comparison isn't bad. They both have flaws coming out of college but the physical tools might end up outweighing those problems for both. Glennon isn't going to win you games by himself. And you're going to need a good OLine. Not that different from Joe.

All I know is that Russell Wilson was much better than him in college on the same team. I'm not sure what that means since Russ is now starting for Seattle, but I'm throwing it out there.

Same university but not the same team. I think the only 2 players they both played with are the current LT and LG. Everyone else is different...

I think all NC State fans can agree that this NCSU is not as good as the Russell Wilson teams but if we were drafting players off how good their teams were, we'd be talking about Greg McElroy right now LOL

I get what you're saying Batman....good points

[ncst8fan83]

Originally Posted by 87Canes

Same university but not the same team. I think the only 2 players they both played with are the current LT and LG. Everyone else is different...

I think all NC State fans can agree that this NCSU is not as good as the Russell Wilson teams but if we were drafting players off how good their teams were, we'd be talking about Greg McElroy right now LOL

I get what you're saying Batman....good points

Well we're two years removed from Russell starting for NCSU, so it's expected that a different cast of characters would be playing this year. However, the same issues were there with Russell. Horrible OL, average WRs, average TEs. The difference is Russell has wheels and Glennon looks like a ******** giraffe running on the field.

The college game is changing and guys like Glennon don't excel on teams like NCSU. We need guys like Russell who can make up for the shortcomings of our anemic recruiting. Put Glennon on a traditional power, and they are an instant favorite to win it all. To succeed as a non-traditional power, you need a gimmick offense or a supremely talented, mobile quarterback that can carry you from game to game.

[SchizophrenicBatman]

Originally Posted by 87Canes

Same university but not the same team. I think the only 2 players they both played with are the current LT and LG. Everyone else is different...

I think all NC State fans can agree that this NCSU is not as good as the Russell Wilson teams but if we were drafting players off how good their teams were, we'd be talking about Greg McElroy right now LOL

I get what you're saying Batman....good points

Wilson's first couple years he was on absolute trash teams and carried them. His last season yea, that was a good team. This year was supposed to be the best team OBrien has had here, it hasn't panned out as such...

Glennon played last year as well when there were a few more holdovers. George Bryan for instance was very good with Wilson and absolutely terrible catching passes from Glennon. Pretty much torpedo'd any chance he had at making the NFL. On the other hand, TJ Graham had his best year with Mike.

I actually think the receivers Glennon has now are more naturally talented but they drop just as many, if not more, passes than the ones in past years.

If Blaine Gabbert can go Top 10 Glennon can easily go in round 1. The question is does he ever live up to that?

[vidae]

Originally Posted by SchizophrenicBatman

If Blaine Gabbert can go Top 10 Glennon can easily go in round 1. The question is does he ever live up to that?

It's pretty clear that Gabbert shouldn't have gone anywhere near the top 10.

[vidae]

If the Chiefs even consider drafting this guy at the top of round 1 I will personally burn Arrowhead to the ground.

Give me Geno or Tyler Wilson a hundred times out of a hundred over Glennon. No question.

[bucfan12]

Honestly the chiefs are better off taking glen on at the top of round 2 and take best player available. Every qb is a risk in this draft but Glennan to me is intriguing. He's smart and looks the part and has te tools of a starter. He just needs certain aspects of his game to develop. No way I compare him to Bledsoe or mallet. I think a bigger and stronger version of Matt Ryan is more like it.

[ncst8fan83]

Originally Posted by bucfan12

Honestly the chiefs are better off taking glen on at the top of round 2 and take best player available. Every qb is a risk in this draft but Glennan to me is intriguing. He's smart and looks the part and has te tools of a starter. He just needs certain aspects of his game to develop. No way I compare him to Bledsoe or mallet. I think a bigger and stronger version of Matt Ryan is more like it.

I disagree with your assessment.

[descendency]

Inconsistent with good physical tools, but very mechanical/robotic and his mental tools are shakey.

He's a guy that NC State expected more from and didn't ever get it out of him, really.

Tyler Bray is a better player with similar tools.

[ncst8fan83]

Originally Posted by descendency

Inconsistent with good physical tools, but very mechanical/robotic and his mental tools are shakey.

He's a guy that NC State expected more from and didn't ever get it out of him, really.

Tyler Bray is a better player with similar tools.

Give Glennon Hunter and Patterson/Rogers for a season and then you can compare the two. I don't think it's fair to Glennon to compare him with QBs that have far superior pieces around them. Plus, Glennon isn't an issue off the field. Bray is the 2nd coming of Ryan Leaf.

[descendency]

Originally Posted by ncst8fan83

Give Glennon Hunter and Patterson/Rogers for a season and then you can compare the two. I don't think it's fair to Glennon to compare him with QBs that have far superior pieces around them. Plus, Glennon isn't an issue off the field. Bray is the 2nd coming of Ryan Leaf.

Bray also has to play a higher level of competition, though.

I wouldn't want to be drafting a QB this year.

[duesouth]

Seems to me that there are 2 Mike Glennon's.

When he has time to sit in the pocket and go through his progressions, he looks every bit the first round pick and a high one at that. The way he moves his eyes and with regularity will get to his 4th read (many spread QB's are just 2 reads max and then run) is exciting. Can look off the safety very nicely. Has the arm strength and touch of a high pick. It's worth noting he has got nothing at WR or TE - I counted 11 drops against North Carolina, one of which resulted in an INT.

BUT - the other Mike Glennon is the one under pressure. Doesn't seem to pick pressure always. In the North Carolina game, after sitting back for much of the game the Tar Heels blitzed late and he went 0 for 6 plus he was sacked twice. Needs to read where the blitz is coming from and get the ball out to his hot read a lot better. Also needs to work on not putting his weight on his back foot - did so alot against Tennessee in week one and his accuracy suffered, plus there wasn't enough zip on some of his passes.

Will need a little more experience, but I can see why his stock is rising. Better than Brandon Weeden for sure.

[LonghornsLegend]

Originally Posted by descendency

I wouldn't want to be drafting a QB this year.

Why? Because there aren't any Andrew Luck type of prospects? You would probably hear this same thing being said if Flacco, Matt Ryan, and Stafford were all coming out of this draft. Neither of those guys were hardly sure things. Stafford had a huge ceiling but people hated his inconsistency at Georgia and Ryan had a high floor but people weren't sure he had a strong enough arm or had potential to be elite, Flacco was just a big arm at a small school that didn't face any legit competition.


These guys should have questions about them, as do most prospects, but I certainly don't think it's a bad year to be looking at QB.

[YotoJets007]

Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

Why? Because there aren't any Andrew Luck type of prospects? You would probably hear this same thing being said if Flacco, Matt Ryan, and Stafford were all coming out of this draft. Neither of those guys were hardly sure things. Stafford had a huge ceiling but people hated his inconsistency at Georgia and Ryan had a high floor but people weren't sure he had a strong enough arm or had potential to be elite, Flacco was just a big arm at a small school that didn't face any legit competition.


These guys should have questions about them, as do most prospects, but I certainly don't think it's a bad year to be looking at QB.

Yeah... a lot of people always count on college game for pro game result. They keep forgetting about the difference between college coaching and pro coaching.


Keys to check out on college game are only arm strength, pocket presence and getting rid of football. That is not enough to grade qb prospect.

[descendency]

Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

Why? Because there aren't any Andrew Luck type of prospects? You would probably hear this same thing being said if Flacco, Matt Ryan, and Stafford were all coming out of this draft.

I actually had a fairly comical thread about how stupid Lions fans were for not wanting Stafford. I loved Flacco and was fairly meh on Ryan, who I thought would never amount to an elite QB. . .

But this is, without a doubt, the weakest QB class in at least 5 years. Probably 10. I haven't seen a game, yet, where I thought someone (a QB) showed me they deserve to be the #1 pick (where the top QB generally goes).

All of their good games are either last year or predicted to be future games. Or against talentless defenses (cough Baylor cough).

Someone who belongs around pick 15 will be taken in the top 5 because that coach will be afraid of how the owner will view him if he doesn't get a QB.

Originally Posted by TitanHope

Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah.

Are NC State fans seriously talking **** on the Braymaker, even after he went in dry on their defense? He took David Amerson to a lovely seafood dinner and then never called again.

Bray is awesome. You all be nice.

Bray's talent is undeniable, but he is one of those guys that you have to wonder if his personality matches Philip Rivers or Ryan Leaf. His other issues are mostly correctable.

[KaneMarko]

Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

Why? Because there aren't any Andrew Luck type of prospects? You would probably hear this same thing being said if Flacco, Matt Ryan, and Stafford were all coming out of this draft. Neither of those guys were hardly sure things. Stafford had a huge ceiling but people hated his inconsistency at Georgia and Ryan had a high floor but people weren't sure he had a strong enough arm or had potential to be elite, Flacco was just a big arm at a small school that didn't face any legit competition.


These guys should have questions about them, as do most prospects, but I certainly don't think it's a bad year to be looking at QB.

I agree with your first sentence. I think some, not all, but some of the criticism of this year's QB group stems from the fact that none are Andrew Luck. Andrew Luck caliber QBs only come around every 15 years or so. The last one was the guy everyone was/is comparing Luck to...Peyton Manning.

Just because none of these guys are Andrew Luck doesn't mean that they aren't good or can't be pro-bowl caliber QBs.

There have been a good number of QBs come out that weren't Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning that have gone on to great success. And there is likely to be at least a couple from this draft do the same. The trick is finding which one(s).

[Iamcanadian]

I'd say right now there are at least 3 sure fire 1st round QB's coming out of this draft and depending on who declares, there could be more.
1) Geo Smith, his only negative is that he tends to hold the ball too long, an easily correctable problem at the next level. Top 5 pick for sure, maybe #1 overall.
2) Matt Barkley, a Matt Ryan type but likely only a top 15 at this point.
3) Mike Glennon, huge arm with few weapons around him, also a top 15 talent.

I won't be shocked if all 3 are at least top 10 picks.