Does Aaron Murray's Performance vs The Blackskirts Help Stock?

Halsey · 01-02-2013, 12:00 AM

-Should he declare?
-Can he be a legitimate franchise QB in the NFL?
-#1 overall to KC?
-What the hell is going on in Lincoln, Nebraska?

vidae · 01-02-2013, 12:08 AM

#1 overall? I really don't see it.

Robcards · 01-02-2013, 12:16 AM

The real question is how much Russell Wilson's performance is going to help Murray. The main knock on him is his height, so teams are likely going to be more lenient about him being 6'0 or 6'1 considering how well a 5'10 Wilson is doing. He should be a late 1st or early 2nd pick if he declares.

CashmoneyDrew · 01-02-2013, 12:21 AM

No.
No.
No.
No.

holt_bruce81 · 01-02-2013, 12:24 AM

I like Murray a lot, but his performance against Nebraska will not do anything for his stock. Drafting a player based on Bowl game performance is how teams make big mistakes on draft day.

descendency · 01-02-2013, 12:36 AM

Bowls are like vacations to a lot of players. I wouldn't take them too serious.

Scott Wright · 01-02-2013, 09:42 AM

I think Georgia QB Aaron Murray is one of the most overrated prospects that I've seen in a while. Is it just because of his high school press clippings? I think Round 3 would be his ceiling, especially this year. Lots of physical shortcomings plus an inconsistent track record.

Robcards · 01-02-2013, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Wright

I think Georgia QB Aaron Murray is one of the most overrated prospects that I've seen in a while. Is it just because of his high school press clippings? I think Round 3 would be his ceiling, especially this year. Lots of physical shortcomings plus an inconsistent track record.

How could he be overrated when no one has a 1st round grade for him? Tyler Wilson is by far the most overrated qb in this class in my opinion

Halsey · 01-02-2013, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Wright

I think Georgia QB Aaron Murray is one of the most overrated prospects that I've seen in a while. Is it just because of his high school press clippings? I think Round 3 would be his ceiling, especially this year. Lots of physical shortcomings plus an inconsistent track record.

I guess he's overrated if you listen to the people who seriously believe he's a potential #1 overall pick. It wasn't his high school press clippings that led the country in passer rating while winning a lot of game. Yes, he has had some rough moments, but at least those have come vs some of the top defenses in the country.

Cigaro · 01-02-2013, 10:26 AM

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I guess he's overrated if you listen to the people who seriously believe he's a potential #1 overall pick. It wasn't his high school press clippings that led the country in passer rating while winning a lot of game. Yes, he has had some rough moments, but at least those have come vs some of the top defenses in the country.

That's just it though. As tough as those defense are, they won't compare to what he'll face in the NFL, and he's done poorly against basically every good defense he's played.

I really liked him as a freshman, but I haven't seen much progression from him. I definitely wouldn't touch him in the first, and I'd be very hesitant to take him in the second.

Halsey · 01-02-2013, 10:38 AM

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That's just it though. As tough as those defense are, they won't compare to what he'll face in the NFL, and he's done poorly against basically every good defense he's played.

I really liked him as a freshman, but I haven't seen much progression from him. I definitely wouldn't touch him in the first, and I'd be very hesitant to take him in the second.

Yeah, I think everyone knows that NFL defenses are tougher than college defenses. It's pretty widely known that college players going to the NFL can expect a step up in competition.

And saying he's never played well vs a good team is oversimplification and myth. First, what's your definition of a "good defense"? Also, he helped UGA score 28 vs Alabama. And they almost won the game.

Cigaro · 01-02-2013, 11:01 AM

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Yeah, I think everyone knows that NFL defenses are tougher than college defenses. It's pretty widely known that college players going to the NFL can expect a step up in competition.

And saying he's never played well vs a good team is oversimplification and myth. First, what's your definition of a "good defense"? Also, he helped UGA score 28 vs Alabama. And they almost won the game.

If you're aware that defenses only get better in the pros, then it only makes sense to flag a prospect who struggles with good defenses at this level.

As for good defense? This year, of the teams he played, only South Carolina, Florida and Alabama would fit that definition for me. Collectively of those three, he was 41/88(46%), 524 yds, 2 TDs, 5 INTs. His best game was indeed versus Bama, but even then it was far from a great display.

brasho · 01-02-2013, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Wright

I think Georgia QB Aaron Murray is one of the most overrated prospects that I've seen in a while. Is it just because of his high school press clippings? I think Round 3 would be his ceiling, especially this year. Lots of physical shortcomings plus an inconsistent track record.

I blasted him yesterday. I thought he had a crappy bowl game. Between his terrible accuracy problems (even on the long bomb it was a terrible throw), height, decent arm, lack of pure athleticism, and horrible play in big games (1-5 in bowls and championship games, 0-3 against South Carolina) I just don't see him doing something stupid and coming out this season.

Iamcanadian · 01-03-2013, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Wright

I think Georgia QB Aaron Murray is one of the most overrated prospects that I've seen in a while. Is it just because of his high school press clippings? I think Round 3 would be his ceiling, especially this year. Lots of physical shortcomings plus an inconsistent track record.

I totally agree, round 3 at best for him. He is terribly inconsistent.

Robcards · 01-03-2013, 12:41 PM

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I totally agree, round 3 at best for him. He is terribly inconsistent.

Draft advisory board disagrees. Considering they get paid to make these assessments I'd put more weight in their projection.

brasho · 01-03-2013, 12:53 PM

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I totally agree, round 3 at best for him. He is terribly inconsistent.

Oh, I disagree totally. I think he is very consistent. Awesome against terrible defenses and DI-AA opponents and absolutely dreadful in championship/bowl games and South Carolina.

Robcards · 01-03-2013, 12:55 PM

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Oh, I disagree totally. I think he is very consistent. Awesome against terrible defenses and DI-AA opponents and absolutely dreadful in championship/bowl games and South Carolina.

Because the other QBs in this class did so well against top 5 defenses like LSU, Alabama, and South Carolina right? Worst logic I've ever heard.

brasho · 01-03-2013, 01:07 PM

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Because the other QBs in this class did so well against top 5 defenses like LSU, Alabama, and South Carolina right? Worst logic I've ever heard.

Really, so playing crappy when another team has as much talent as his own offense isn't a barometer of success to you? Georgia has great talent on both sides of the ball and if they had a great QB it could've made all the difference in the world. Even great defenses get lit up. You did say top 5 defenses, right? Isn't Florida ranked #5 and got lit up by Bridgewater DESPITE playing with significantly less talent around him than Murray does at Georgia.

Not to forget what Manziel did against Alabama and what Glennon did against FSU.

You can say what you want, but you're still wrong. Murray won't be drafted in round 1, he'll never be a quality starter, and I think it's doubtful he's stupid enough to come out this year... but then again, the QB prospects from this season are terrible and it might be his best shot to be one of the better ones.

FUNBUNCHER · 01-02-2013, 09:47 AM

How does Murray compare to Russell Wilson??
I was thinking mainly in terms of arm strength and accuracy???

Robcards · 01-02-2013, 10:04 AM

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How does Murray compare to Russell Wilson??
I was thinking mainly in terms of arm strength and accuracy???

He doesn't. But since Russell Wilson is doing well even though he's short I'm sure teams will be more lenient about Murray's height. I thought that's what I said wasn't it?

ChiFan24 · 01-02-2013, 10:21 AM

Ha. Skirts. Like what a girl wears.

Scott Wright · 01-02-2013, 10:27 AM

You know who else won a lot of games at Georgia? David Greene. Eric Zeier too. :o)

brasho · 01-02-2013, 01:10 PM

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You know who else won a lot of games at Georgia? David Greene. Eric Zeier too. :o)

Quincy Carter was the Bomb-diggity.

Robcards · 01-02-2013, 01:21 PM

Haters gonna hate. Aaron Murray will be starting next year (assuming he declares). He'll get off to a rough start I'm sure, but he definitely has the arm and mobility and pocket presence to succeed at the next level. If the Jets get him in the 2nd I'd be thrilled.

regoob2 · 01-02-2013, 01:27 PM

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Haters gonna hate. Aaron Murray will be starting next year (assuming he declares). He'll get off to a rough start I'm sure, but he definitely has the arm and mobility and pocket presence to succeed at the next level. If the Jets get him in the 2nd I'd be thrilled.

I don't think he has the arm to succeed.