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Old 01-21-2013, 12:52 AM    (permalink
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Default Rank the new young QB's (2010-2012 draft)

The other young qb thread is ranking guys from 08 and 09. I thought we should rank qb's from the 2010-2012 draft, aka new young qb's.

I count 13 QB's from the 2010-2012 draft that have started a good number of games for their team recently. Rank them from 1-13 and comment on who you think are viable long-term QB's, and the guys who are going to get benched/cut soon.

Probably wouldn't be fair to rank young QB's from these drafts that haven't/aren't/won't be playing, such as- Tim Tebow, Colt McCoy, John Skelton, Ryan Mallett, Brock Osweiler, and Terrelle Pryor. Some won't start meaningful games again, and a few may get a chance and fail or not, but its simpler to leave them out.

For reference, the QB's are

2010- Sam Bradford
2011- Cam Newton, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick
2012- Andrew Luck, RG3, Ryan Tannehill, Brandon Weeden (despite age, he was drafted and a 1st rounder so he should count for now), Russell Wilson, Nick Foles

Use any criteria you want- better next year, long-term future, etc.

Tier 1- franchise QB's

1- RG3 (if healthy)
2- Luck
3- Kaepernick
4- Newton
5- Wilson

Tier 2- solid guys who need to prove more to be franchise QB's (not just stats)

6- Dalton
7- Tannehill
8- Bradford

Tier 3- all guys who won't be long-term starters

9- Ponder
10- Foles
11- Weeden
12- Locker
13- Gabbert
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Says to rank young quarterbacks.

Ranks Weeden

Does not compute.
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This is how I think it'll work out long-term.

1- Wilson
2- Luck
3- Kaepernick
4- Newton
5- RGIII
6- Dalton
7- Bradford
8- Tannehill

The others aren't even on the radar.
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so is this another thread created for 49er fans to come fap to Kaep, which will eventually evolve into the Kaep vs. Newton argument?
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so is this another thread created for 49er fans to come fap to Kaep, which will eventually evolve into the Kaep vs. Newton argument?
probably because the last "young qb" thread is ranking guys from ******* 2008.
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so is this another thread created for 49er fans to come fap to Kaep, which will eventually evolve into the Kaep vs. Newton argument?
Pretty much.. *sigh*
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Tier 1

Franchise QB's - This guys will lead their team to the playoffs year in and year out and will have a 2004 class type impact with at least 2 Super Bowl victories IMO.

They all came in to disastrous situations (Russell Wilson went to an average team) and rose the level of play of everybody around them taking their team to the playoffs in their first year. Theres a lot to look forward to with these lucky franchises.

1 Andrew Luck
2 Russell Wilson
3 RGIII

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4 Colin Kaepernick: this guy is on a tier by himself, I found it extremely difficult to rank him. He's a talented guy who walked into a perfect situation: great OL, great stable of RB's, talented number 1 WR, great TE. He has a ton of talent around him on offense and an elite defense who's able to amend some of his mistakes.

Granted he provided a boost to a pedestrian offense, but the team was extremely talented to begin with, I mean they reached the NFC Championship last year without him.

If he continues to play at this high level consistently (and probably with a ring on his finger) he'll climb maybe even to the top spot.

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Good starting QB's- These three guys have shown promise and theres hope they will become true franchise QB's is just that a little something is missing.

5 Cam Newton: this guy has the talent to be atop of any list, but he needs more consistency out of his offensive teammates and some help from the defense.
This is why I found it difficult to rank Kaep, these two guys compare favorably in every aspect of their game, the difference being the supporting cast. Newton would thrive with the 49ers and Kaep would struggle with the Panthers IMO.
6 Andy Dalton: dissapears on the big games. He needs a signature win to be considered a franchise qb
7 Ryan Tannehill: just like Newton he needs weapons and consistency, but theres hope.

Tier 4

Reliable backups (could be good starting qb's if given the chance, but no more)

8 Kirk Cousins
9 Ryan Mallet
10 Nick Foles

Tier 5

Trap QB's (wasting team's time)

11 Sam Bradford: Mr Bradford could develop in to a good starting qb but has proven he needs a ton of talent around him to succeed, not one of those guys who rises the level of play of his teammates
12 Christian Ponder (Can be a reliable backup)
13 Brandon Weeden
14 Jake Locker
15 Blaine Gabbert
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Wilson is going to be a problem in the NFC West for a long time. Kind of why I want to get this Super Bowl victory in the bag. It would be make it a lot easier to prepare for his inevitable dominance.
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1. Luck
2. Newton
3. Dalton
4. Kaepernick
5. RG3
6. Wilson
7. Ponder
8. Tannehill
9. Foles
10. Bradford
11. Locker
12. Gabbert
13. Weeden

FWIW, I really liked Osweiler coming out and I'd rank him 7th going forward.
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Put down the crack pipe, son.
Two things. First, Dalton has been a very good QB. Is he close to maxing out his potential? Possibly. But at worst he is an above average QB who will consistently get his team to the playoffs. A large portion of the league would kill for a QB like that.

Second, I really think NFL defenses are going to catch up with this zone-read stuff. It was wildly successful this year. I think next year you will see a significant drop in its effectiveness. And by the 2014 season, it will be like the Wildcat. Still part of the game but sporadically used. Can these guys beat teams with their arms when the zone-read is figured out? We haven't seen it so I'm taking a wait and see approach.

Lastly, injuries. I'm less concerned about Kaep because he's big and Wilson because he seems more willing to avoid taking shots. But next season, defensive ends are just going to start taking the free shots to the QB whether he has the ball or not. We've already seen Griffin go down to a significant injury. If the others continue to play like they do, it's only a matter of time before it happens to them.
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Ok tiered and ranked.

Tier 1 Franchise QBs who could be elite.
1. RG3
1a. Luck
3. Cam Newton

QBs who on good team can win the Super Bowl
4. Colin Kaepernick
5. Russel Wilson
5a. Sam Bradford

QBs who could Trent Dilfer himself to a Super Bowl
6. Andy Dalton

QBs who still need to develop
7. Ryan Tannehill
8. Jake Locker

QBs who just aren't that good.
9. Ponder
10. Foles
11. Gabbert
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Ok tiered and ranked.

Tier 1 Franchise QBs who could be elite.
1. RG3
1a. Luck
3. Cam Newton

QBs who on good team can win the Super Bowl
4. Colin Kaepernick
5. Russel Wilson
5a. Sam Bradford

QBs who could Trent Dilfer himself to a Super Bowl
6. Andy Dalton

QBs who still need to develop
7. Ryan Tannehill
8. Jake Locker

QBs who just aren't that good.
9. Ponder
10. Foles
11. Gabbert
I like this list. Mine would be very similar.
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I'll probably make a list later but Russ will most likely be at the top of it.
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I'll have a better feel for which of these guys are going to be good/elite QBs long term after the 2013 season.
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1. Russell Wilson
2. Andrew Luck
3. Colin Kaepernick
4. Cam Newton
5. RGIII (lower due to injuries)
6. Ryan Tannehill
7. Andy Dalton
8. Sam Bradford
9. Christian Ponder
10. Jake Locker

I'm also doing this more as a career projection.
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1. Russell Wilson
2. Andrew Luck
3. Colin Kaepernick
4. Cam Newton
5. RGIII (lower due to injuries)
6. Ryan Tannehill
7. Andy Dalton
8. Sam Bradford
9. Christian Ponder
10. Jake Locker

I'm also doing this more as a career projection.
You really think Wilson has a better career than Luck, Newton or RGIII?
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The end. Cut to black. Audience goes ****ing ape****.
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You really think Wilson has a better career than Luck, Newton or RGIII?
whats wrong in thinking that?
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1. Andrew Luck
2. Russell Wilson
3. Cam Newton
4. Colin Kaepernick
5. Robert Griffin
6. Ryan Mallett
7. Sam Bradford
8. Ryan Tannehill
9. Andy Dalton
10. Christian Ponder
11. Nick Foles
12. Jake Locker
13. Brandon Weeden
14. Blaine Gabbert
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1. Andrew Luck
2. Russell Wilson
3. Cam Newton
4. Colin Kaepernick
5. Robert Griffin
6. Ryan Mallett
7. Sam Bradford
8. Ryan Tannehill
9. Andy Dalton
10. Christian Ponder
11. Nick Foles
12. Jake Locker
13. Brandon Weeden
14. Blaine Gabbert
I like your list although I would switch Mallett and Dalton. Dalton has the "it" factor even though he isnt the most talented QB.

1. Andrew Luck
2. Russell Wilson
3. Cam Newton
4. Colin Kaepernick
5. Robert Griffin
6. Andy Dalton
7. Sam Bradford
8. Ryan Tannehill
9. Ryan Mallett
10. Christian Ponder
11. Nick Foles
12. Jake Locker
13. Brandon Weeden
14. Blaine Gabbert
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1. Colin Kaepernick
2. Robert Griffin III
3. Russell Wilson
4. Andrew Luck
5. Cam Newton
6. Ryan Tannehill
7. Sam Bradford
8. Andy Dalton
9. Ryan Mallett
10. Christian Ponder
11. Nick Foles
12. Brandon Weeden
13. Blaine Gabbert
14. Jake Locker
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