Pure Deep Speed / Vertical Threat WR's

ChiFan24 · 01-31-2013, 03:56 PM

I haven't gotten heavily into scouting yet, so I'm deferring to some of you here. The Bears' most underrated need, something I hope they address in the first couple rounds, is a deep threat at receiver. Not a good receiver, necessarily. Just a guy that can sprint down the field on a 9 route and make the defense pay for not giving safety help. Pure speed. Like a pre-crippled Johnny Knox.

This is kind of hard to determine without 40 times available, but going down the list, I'm kind of blanking. Tavon Austin seems to be the fastest, but I don't really think "deep threat" so much as get him the ball in space. Terrance Williams and Robert Woods are a couple guys I saw do it in college, but I'm not sure they fit my "pure speed" criteria in the NFL in that they seem to be 4.45-4.5 type guys. Anyone have any ideas?

BamaFalcon59 · 01-31-2013, 03:58 PM

Goodwin from Texas is who you want.

Don Vito · 01-31-2013, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFalcon59

Goodwin from Texas is who you want.

Beat me to it.

Don Vito · 01-31-2013, 04:00 PM

Marquise Goodwin. There's your answer.

Babylon · 01-31-2013, 04:02 PM

start with Marquise Goodwin out of Texas and then go from there. The guy has near 4.2 speed.

SuperPacker · 01-31-2013, 04:03 PM

Goodwin is more than just a deep threat, but yeah. He's kinda quick.

Babylon · 01-31-2013, 04:11 PM

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Goodwin is more than just a deep threat, but yeah. He's kinda quick.

The guy looks fast too. A lot guys are fast but it's in comparison to other fast guys on the field. He looks Sanders or Moss fast out there, prime for those two of course.

ChiFan24 · 01-31-2013, 04:10 PM

We'll see what Youtube has to say about this.

ChiFan24 · 01-31-2013, 04:22 PM

Well he can certainly catch bubble screens. I would expect no less in the Big 12. I did see him make a couple nice adjustments on the few deep balls thrown his way. The guy will definitely have a role in the NFL with that speed.

norcalgsr · 01-31-2013, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiFan24

I haven't gotten heavily into scouting yet, so I'm deferring to some of you here. The Bears' most underrated need, something I hope they address in the first couple rounds, is a deep threat at receiver. Not a good receiver, necessarily. Just a guy that can sprint down the field on a 9 route and make the defense pay for not giving safety help. Pure speed. Like a pre-crippled Johnny Knox.

This is kind of hard to determine without 40 times available, but going down the list, I'm kind of blanking. Tavon Austin seems to be the fastest, but I don't really think "deep threat" so much as get him the ball in space. Terrance Williams and Robert Woods are a couple guys I saw do it in college, but I'm not sure they fit my "pure speed" criteria in the NFL in that they seem to be 4.45-4.5 type guys. Anyone have any ideas?

I don't think Tavon Austin is that fast.

Besides Goodwin, I'd look into Corey Fuller and Chuck Jacobs.

derza222 · 01-31-2013, 05:42 PM

Markus Wheaton isn't Goodwin fast but might be another guy to look at.

brat316 · 01-31-2013, 06:20 PM

Hopkins?

Chris Harper?

Tavarres King

and a small school guy like Quinton Patton

norcalgsr · 01-31-2013, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bhaarat316

Hopkins?

Chris Harper?

Tavarres King

and a small school guy like Quinton Patton

Only one of those guys is probably fast: Tavarres King.

brat316 · 02-01-2013, 01:11 AM

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Only one of those guys is probably fast: Tavarres King.

yeah disregard all of those guys, after watching Goodwin none of them compare.

holt_bruce81 · 02-01-2013, 02:30 AM

Ace Sanders, Markus Wheaton, Terrance Williams

Cigaro · 02-01-2013, 04:05 AM

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Ace Sanders, Markus Wheaton, Terrance Williams

Ace Sanders is a bit difficult to judge. He certainly has the speed to beat any team deep. But at the same time, given his size, he's not going to be winning jump balls deep. Although I certainly think coaches should utilize him to get behind defenders every so often, I think he'll be better underneath utilizing his amazing athleticism and change-of-direction ability.

Shane P. Hallam · 02-01-2013, 11:30 AM

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Ace Sanders, Markus Wheaton, Terrance Williams

Yup, Ace Sanders and Terrance Williams are the other two that could fit this IMO

wicket · 02-01-2013, 02:18 AM

corey fuller, he is useless in blocking but the kid can run

Monomach · 02-01-2013, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiFan24

I haven't gotten heavily into scouting yet, so I'm deferring to some of you here. The Bears' most underrated need, something I hope they address in the first couple rounds, is a deep threat at receiver. Not a good receiver, necessarily. Just a guy that can sprint down the field on a 9 route and make the defense pay for not giving safety help. Pure speed. Like a pre-crippled Johnny Knox.

This is kind of hard to determine without 40 times available, but going down the list, I'm kind of blanking. Tavon Austin seems to be the fastest, but I don't really think "deep threat" so much as get him the ball in space. Terrance Williams and Robert Woods are a couple guys I saw do it in college, but I'm not sure they fit my "pure speed" criteria in the NFL in that they seem to be 4.45-4.5 type guys. Anyone have any ideas?

You want Goodwin from Texas, like a couple other people said.

Watching Austin, I don't see "fast." He's "quick."

Man, I hate pure deep speed receivers. Coaches always try to use them like real receivers. That's how you get your Hesters and Knoxes falling down on cuts, leading to INTs because they're lying on the ground instead of being where they're supposed to be. Or getting blasted and letting the ball fly out of their hands, leading to an interception. Or cutting in the wrong direction, leading to an interception. Interception interception interception.

ChiFan24 · 02-01-2013, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Monomach

You want Goodwin from Texas, like a couple other people said.

Watching Austin, I don't see "fast." He's "quick."

Man, I hate pure deep speed receivers. Coaches always try to use them like real receivers. That's how you get your Hesters and Knoxes falling down on cuts, leading to INTs because they're lying on the ground instead of being where they're supposed to be. Or getting blasted and letting the ball fly out of their hands, leading to an interception. Or cutting in the wrong direction, leading to an interception. Interception interception interception.

Our offense desperately needs on though. It's just so stagnant otherwise and it's a total waste of Cutler's arm. I'd love to get a guy like Goodwin and just have him run 9's whenever he's on the field.

Monomach · 02-01-2013, 08:06 AM

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Our offense desperately needs on though. It's just so stagnant otherwise and it's a total waste of Cutler's arm. I'd love to get a guy like Goodwin and just have him run 9's whenever he's on the field.

If we had any intention of having someone just run 9s, we could keep Hester. It's the only thing he can do. He can blow by DBs no problem.

The problem is that we wouldn't use him that way. No one ever does. We'd try to have him run actual routes in the middle of the field and stuff because an incomplete WR who just runs fast is easy enough to take out of the game with one defender. We've seen that a lot. It takes a more special kind of WR than we can acquire this offseason to make that work.

Realistically, if we just get a good-at-blocking averagish-at-being-a-threat TE with plus-plus hands in FA (Anthony Fasano) and maybe a #2ish kind of WR (Hixon, Hartline, Gibson), it'll take enough pressure off of Marshall to open things up. I'm thinking lots of sets with 3 WR/1 TE/1 RB would probably result in some big Alshon Jeffery mismatches.

Besides, Trestman's playbook is heavy on the three step drops with the ball being unloaded right away. There's not really time for deep balls. he kind of ripped those pages out of the playbook in SF.

Top-end speed would be nice, but I think just putting people with actual talent out there would be a huge improvement.

Lil Quip · 02-01-2013, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Monomach

You want Goodwin from Texas, like a couple other people said.

Watching Austin, I don't see "fast." He's "quick."

Man, I hate pure deep speed receivers. Coaches always try to use them like real receivers. That's how you get your Hesters and Knoxes falling down on cuts, leading to INTs because they're lying on the ground instead of being where they're supposed to be. Or getting blasted and letting the ball fly out of their hands, leading to an interception. Or cutting in the wrong direction, leading to an interception. Interception interception interception.

Torrey Smith says hi. You might have heard of him, playing this sunday. Granted this is somewhat of an exception.

Just started delving deeper into the receivers, and obviously Goodwin is the number one answer. I actually feel kinda silly even mentioning him. However watching some quick highlights I really started to like what I see.

Monomach · 02-01-2013, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lil Quip

Torrey Smith says hi. You might have heard of him, playing this sunday. Granted this is somewhat of an exception.

Torrey Smith coming out, maybe. He can actually run routes now. He's a real WR, not a pure deep speed guy.

Ozzy · 02-02-2013, 10:31 PM

How is Cordarrelle Patterson not in this discussion?

He is the #1 guy in terms of a receiver you can just throw it up deep and he can go get it with speed.

Goodwin has the speed but has no where near the size Patterson has, and Hopkins comes to mind as well as a tough player that can stretch a defense. Also like others have said King from Georgia is a decent threat, but still Patterson has to be #1 I feel.

Oh and cannot sleep on Da'Rick Rogers at all, and if Justin Hunter would never have been injured he would be the #1 deep threat target but he seems to have lost a step since the injury. Still would be a hell of a pickup late 1st round for anyone.

Monomach · 02-03-2013, 07:41 AM

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How is Cordarrelle Patterson not in this discussion?

He is the #1 guy in terms of a receiver you can just throw it up deep and he can go get it with speed.

Goodwin has the speed but has no where near the size Patterson has, and Hopkins comes to mind as well as a tough player that can stretch a defense. Also like others have said King from Georgia is a decent threat, but still Patterson has to be #1 I feel.

Oh and cannot sleep on Da'Rick Rogers at all, and if Justin Hunter would never have been injured he would be the #1 deep threat target but he seems to have lost a step since the injury. Still would be a hell of a pickup late 1st round for anyone.

He specified a pure deep threat who can basically just sprint downfield on fades and skinny posts and do nothing else. He's looking at later round guys (guessing he's thinking about the Bears fourth round pick here), not someone who's going to be picked before the Bears even get a chance in the first, lol. Patterson's out of the discussion because he's way too good; he's a real receiver.

Still think it'd be a waste, since the kind of receiver he's talking about ends up sucking in the NFL 99% of the time and the Bears already have their patron saint (Hester).