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Default Overrated FAs that will get PAID (Dashon Goldson edition!)

Name your list of guys who will paid big yet flop big and not meet the contract expectations:

Mine are:
- Dominique Rodgers Cromartie CB
- Sean Smith CB
- Dashon Gholdson FS
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Goldson is not overrated.
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Goldson is not overrated.
I don't think he's an all pro safety. Dude was exposed in coverage in the playoffs, ALL DAY. Green Bay, Atlanta, and Baltimore all tore him up.
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Gholdston is overrated. That entire SF secondary is. They live and die with their front 7.

I don't think Sean Smith is overrated though.
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I don't think Sean Smith is overrated though.
Because everybody already knows he sucks? Or....?

He graded out as one of the worst 5 CBs in nearly every category last season
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Gholdston is overrated. That entire SF secondary is. They live and die with their front 7.

I don't think Sean Smith is overrated though.
YES to this whole post. Smith is a good CB and that 49ers secondary is/was highly overrated.
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I don't think he's an all pro safety. Dude was exposed in coverage in the playoffs, ALL DAY. Green Bay, Atlanta, and Baltimore all tore him up.
This isn't totally accurate. Goldson is many times assigned to bite down on intermediate routes and let the Corner carry the deep responsibility. This is game planning, not poor judgement on Goldson's part.
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Yeah, like others have said beware of Avril. He's the next Ray Edwards. He might work out a bit better though.
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I don't think he's an all pro safety. Dude was exposed in coverage in the playoffs, ALL DAY. Green Bay, Atlanta, and Baltimore all tore him up.
Goldson had good games against the Packers and Ravens. Or rather, he wasn't "exposed". Atlanta sure, but he wasn't being targeted. He had one brain fart in the beginning of the game that resulted in the first 40 yard pass play against the 49ers this year. There was another play were Jones snatched a potential interception from Goldson's hands, but the entire Falcons receivers had their day in the sun against the secondary. That isn't an indictment against Goldson as a player though who wasn't even being targeted in the game that much. I believe it was Culliver.

The funny thing is Whitner is the one that has struggled in coverage at times this season and been a liability. This was obvious in the Super Bowl. Not Goldson, who quite frankly has earned his pay raise after being on the tag for two seasons.
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Goldson had good games against the Packers and Ravens. Or rather, he wasn't "exposed". Atlanta sure, but he wasn't being targeted. He had one brain fart in the beginning of the game that resulted in the first 40 yard pass play against the 49ers this year. There was another play were Jones snatched a potential interception from Goldson's hands, but the entire Falcons receivers had their day in the sun against the secondary. That isn't an indictment against Goldson as a player though who wasn't even being targeted in the game that much. I believe it was Culliver.

The funny thing is Whitner is the one that has struggled in coverage at times this season and been a liability. This was obvious in the Super Bowl. Not Goldson, who quite frankly has earned his pay raise after being on the tag for two seasons.
I agree. Whitner is far worse in coverage. It makes it harder to mask Goldson because of it. That front 7 sure does a good job of masking him though.
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I agree. Whitner is far worse in coverage. It makes it harder to mask Goldson because of it. That front 7 sure does a good job of masking him though.
Not really. The front seven makes the jobs of the back end easier, but the players are still good in their own right. Or rather, they were the same as they were before. When pressure from the front seven faltered down the stretch this season that didn't make Goldson worse. And Whitner playing poorly at times doesn't boost Goldson's status as a player either. That doesn't really make sense. That's like saying it's hard to tell Kevin Kolb is a below average starter at QB because the other quarterbacks on the roster are worse. And you can still be a good player in your own regard while having other good players around you. Jerry Rice didn't mask Steve Young as a passer for instance. Both happened to be good players on the same team. Goldson is a good player on a good 49ers defense. Personally I don't think he's first team All Pro like he was labeled this season, but he's one of the better safeties in the NFL.
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Goldson allowed one catch over 20 yards in the regular season. He allowed two in the playoffs, both to Julio Jones. Jairus Byrd, who many consider the best coverage safety in football, gave up two 20+ yard catches in the regular season. Ed Reed allowed seven 20+ yard catches in the regular season and three more in the playoffs.

Goldson is overrated and will be overpaid, but there isn't evidence to suggest that he struggles with the deep ball. At least not this past season.

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Baltimore didn't throw at him once in the Super Bowl.
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Goldson is not overrated.
Coming from a guy that has seen every game of his professional career Dashon is a great player when he is in the right situation. When he isn't he really struggles and his aggressiveness is used against him.
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Pretty sure Mike Wallace would be high on my list and I think the Browns will be the one to pay him haha
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Pretty sure Mike Wallace would be high on my list and I think the Browns will be the one to pay him haha
I think he'll be a Bengal
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I think he'll be a Bengal
Bengals won't sign any high price FAs. They have Michael Johnson, Andre Smith, Carlos Dunlap, Geno Atkins that will all be due for extensions or re-signing.
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You think they'll invest in both DEs?

Either way, they should have money to do it all, unless they have more cap pushed into future years
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You think they'll invest in both DEs?

Either way, they should have money to do it all, unless they have more cap pushed into future years
Yes they have the money to spend and they will have to spend so I see them keeping both of them. Mike Wallace will want way to much money for Mike Brown liking.
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Desmond Bryant from the Raiders seems to be getting way more love than he deserves. Analysts are beginning to talk about him as a bright spot on the Raiders defensive line last year. I have news for everyone--the Raiders defensive line is exactly what everyone thought 6 weeks ago. There was no bright spot. Bryant would be highly successful if he was expected to be the first lineman off the bench--go at 'em with high intensity for a few plays and then let someone else in. He is not an everydown player and he is not a key cog for a defensive line.

This guy is the guy who was on the field for nearly every big run the Raiders gave up last year--right there in the middle of the line. And he was a big part of it because he attacks downfield so much he gives up gap integrity.

If he gets anything in the top 10 or 15 contracts for defensive tackles, this guy is going to get overpaid.
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Goldston (No "H" guys) is a top 10 FS. He may or may not be in the top 5 so I wouldn't say he is overrated at all. I think you would be hard pressed to name 10 Free Safeties that are better, I think you might have a hard time naming 10 safeties period that are better than him.
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Goldston (No "H" guys) is a top 10 FS. He may or may not be in the top 5 so I wouldn't say he is overrated at all. I think you would be hard pressed to name 10 Free Safeties that are better, I think you might have a hard time naming 10 safeties period that are better than him.
Just because he might be a top 10 FS, doesn't mean he's actually a great FS. This guy makes big hits, but wow, was he exposed in coverage. Hes definately, not a top 10 OVERALL Safety.

Also, don't care about spelling here pal. Has nothing to do with the actual point I'm making. You want to pay a guy 8-10 mil a year who's not very good in coverage? So be it. NOT Worth it. Overpaid.
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Goldston (No "H" guys) is a top 10 FS.
If FS stands for homophobe, I totally agree.
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If FS stands for homophobe, I totally agree.
I think you're thinking of Chris Culver.
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Goldston (No "H" guys) is a top 10 FS.
If you're gonna correct people on their spelling, you should probably make sure to spell it correctly yourself.

Goldson, no "T."
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