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Old 03-06-2013, 09:09 PM    (permalink
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Default LOL! Mike Tannebaum is Awful Proud of Himself!

This guy just appeared on NFLN and explained how he traded up to get Mark Sanchez. What was funny was how nervous he looked as he spoke.

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1:26...they knew what was coming...smart jets fans...who knew...
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It was actually a good move at the time.

Granted Sanchez hasn't worked out but the Jets moved WAY up in Round 1, into range for the top tier of players, and only had to give the Browns a bunch of spare parts.
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Yeah, the trade itself was a major coup for the Jets in terms of value - #5 for #17, a 2nd rd pick, 2 average vets and Brett Ratliff. The Browns then traded down again to #21 and picked up Alex Mack.
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It was actually a good move at the time.

Granted Sanchez hasn't worked out but the Jets moved WAY up in Round 1, into range for the top tier of players, and only had to give the Browns a bunch of spare parts.
It was a complete heist at the time.
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It was actually a good move at the time.

Granted Sanchez hasn't worked out but the Jets moved WAY up in Round 1, into range for the top tier of players, and only had to give the Browns a bunch of spare parts.
That's the way of this forum. Everyone wants to pretend that Sanchez was a bad prospect and that they knew it at the time when in reality he was a very good one. He went about 10 picks higher than I thought he was worth, but that happens with QB prospects, especially those who look that good.

I really wanted him to stay for his Senior year.

I still think Sanchez could have been a damned good starter if he'd been drafted elsewhere and handled differently.
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That's the way of this forum. Everyone wants to pretend that Sanchez was a bad prospect and that they knew it at the time when in reality he was a very good one. He went about 10 picks higher than I thought he was worth, but that happens with QB prospects, especially those who look that good.

I really wanted him to stay for his Senior year.

I still think Sanchez could have been a damned good starter if he'd been drafted elsewhere and handled differently.
He had perfect mechanics and great footwork. His accuracy was pretty good and his arm was good enough. His two big knocks were lack of experience and a little slow IDing the D and making his progressions, which kind of stems from lack of experience.

Hes completely regressed from his time at USC. If you watch a game of him then and then one of him now, its mind boggling how far hes fallen.

His accuracy is so much worse and his footwork gets sloppy sometimes. Most importantly though, he hasnt gotten faster and reading the D at all. Hes late on almost every throw because it takes him too long to read the D, figure out where to go with the ball against said D, and deliver it.
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Anyone else notice how Mike Tannenbaum keeps mentioning trading back into the 1st round gets you a 5th year on the rookie contract with the "new CBA"? He's said it twice this week on 2 separate occasions. Absolutely mind-blowing that this guy was our general manager and he doesn't even know how the real new CBA handles rookie contracts. Mind-blowing.
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He had perfect mechanics and great footwork. His accuracy was pretty good and his arm was good enough. His two big knocks were lack of experience and a little slow IDing the D and making his progressions, which kind of stems from lack of experience.

Hes completely regressed from his time at USC. If you watch a game of him then and then one of him now, its mind boggling how far hes fallen.

His accuracy is so much worse and his footwork gets sloppy sometimes. Most importantly though, he hasnt gotten faster and reading the D at all. Hes late on almost every throw because it takes him too long to read the D, figure out where to go with the ball against said D, and deliver it.
This is so important. People talk about "three year starters" and "30 career starts" like something magical happens. In reality, the guys with less experience usually don't have a strong foundation when it comes to reading a defense and going through their progressions. These guys get to the NFL and drown.

Of course, there are obvious exceptions. Sanchez just wasn't one of them.
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That's the way of this forum. Everyone wants to pretend that Sanchez was a bad prospect and that they knew it at the time when in reality he was a very good one. He went about 10 picks higher than I thought he was worth, but that happens with QB prospects, especially those who look that good.

I really wanted him to stay for his Senior year.

I still think Sanchez could have been a damned good starter if he'd been drafted elsewhere and handled differently.
Sanchez didn't play enough in college to deserve selection as as top-10 pick, or even a first rounder.

You just don't pick QBs with less than 3 years, minimum, as a starter in the top-10 or even first round. It's asking for trouble.
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You just don't pick QBs with less than 3 years, minimum, as a starter in the top-10 or even first round. It's asking for trouble.
Exactly. He was not ever a steal by any stretch because he was overvalued to begin with.
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Sanchez didn't play enough in college to deserve selection as as top-10 pick, or even a first rounder.

You just don't pick QBs with less than 3 years, minimum, as a starter in the top-10 or even first round. It's asking for trouble.
It's worked out pretty well for Cam Newton
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I loved Sanchez as a prospect. I thought Stafford was the best QB I had ever evaluated (until Luck came along) but Sanchez wasn't far off. I thought Seattle taking Aaron Curry over Mark Sanchez was, literally, the worst pick I had ever seen (partially correct). Under different circumstances, I can see how Sanchez would have been successful....though in any case, my evaluation was totally wrong, I admit that.

And regardless of the outcome, that trade was a total steal. If the Jets had used that pick on a good player like Orakpo, everyone would be marveling at Tanenbaum's genius. Trade was good....pick was bad.
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That's the way of this forum. Everyone wants to pretend that Sanchez was a bad prospect and that they knew it at the time when in reality he was a very good one.
It's not about pretending Sanchez was a bad prospect. It's about remembering how the NFL works. There is no sure thing in the draft. It's interesting to look back at that video and see all the hope and excitement that surrounds a brand new quarterback.
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That's the way of this forum. Everyone wants to pretend that Sanchez was a bad prospect and that they knew it at the time when in reality he was a very good one.
I honestly thought he was garbage from watching him at USC.

Thought he was even behind Leinart in terms of talent coming out.
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Yeah. He should be proud. It was a great move. He went up and got his guy. It didn't work out (though they did go to two AFC CG's), but it was a great move.
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The Browns did not get much out of that deal either. Alex Mack is a good player, but they got Mohamed Massaquoi, Kenyon Coleman, Brett Ratliff, and Abram Elam were the others and none of those really panned out.
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Detroit dodged a bullet that year. After Matt Stafford the next 4 picks were Jason Smith, Tyson Jackson, Aaron Curry and Sanchez while DHB, Aaron Maybin and Knowshon Moreno were also Top 12 picks. And that was back when the top rookies were paid stupid $$$ which only compounded any mistakes. At least the Browns got a good player on a sensible contract which is more than a lot of teams can say that year.
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Mark Sanchez would be the #1 QB in this draft. He's head and shoulders above Barkley, or any of these other guys, as a prospect.

It's too bad he hasn't worked out. I'd still like to see him get a fresh start with with someone like Norv Turner working with him.
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Mark Sanchez would be the #1 QB in this draft. He's head and shoulders above Barkley, or any of these other guys, as a prospect.

It's too bad he hasn't worked out. I'd still like to see him get a fresh start with with someone like Norv Turner working with him.
Sanchez is a very unique case. He's not simply a "bust." A lot happened during his career that has led to where he is now. And a lot around him that probably wasn't his fault.

My philosophy is that good QBs transcend other team problems, but the Jets really messed with his growth.

And Carroll may have been right - maybe he did leave to early. His development may have been different had he stayed in college for another year. And it definitely would have been way different if he were drafted to another team.

He had success very early in his career. I don't think he dealt with it wrong, but I think it skewed his growth as a player.

And again, the Jets really ****** him.

Their head coach didn't focus on offense. He had bad coordinators and coaches. They kept taking away his favorite receivers inexplicably. Braylon was his best guy and it took them 2+ years to realize to sign him back - and they could've gotten him for cheap! They got rid of Cotchery who was the best leader they had. They didn't replenish the running game after LT left. They made Santonio freaking Holmes captain. They allowed him to trot out their with the worst supporting cast in the NFL. He accounted for 32 TDs two years ago with no running game and a receiving corps that couldn't get any separation (I'm going to laugh at whatever team signs Keller to a decent contract).

He deserves blame for completely regressing this season, and he has always had flaws as a player but it's hard not to consider how bad they messed him up.

Like I said earlier, he's a year removed from a 32 TD season with no supporting cast. His turnovers have always been an issue in the reg. season.

But there were flashes of brilliance during those playoff runs. His best game was probably the Pittsburgh loss when Ben hit Sanders on the third down to seal it. Sanchez was so hot if that didn't happen he may have drove them down for another score and sent them to the SB. It's crazy to think that a guy who is now viewed as a JOKE of a player was not afforded an opportunity to complete a defining drive to go to the damn SB.
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Sanchez is a very unique case. He's not simply a "bust." A lot happened during his career that has led to where he is now. And a lot around him that probably wasn't his fault.

My philosophy is that good QBs transcend other team problems, but the Jets really messed with his growth.

And Carroll may have been right - maybe he did leave to early. His development may have been different had he stayed in college for another year. And it definitely would have been way different if he were drafted to another team.

He had success very early in his career. I don't think he dealt with it wrong, but I think it skewed his growth as a player.

And again, the Jets really ****** him.

Their head coach didn't focus on offense. He had bad coordinators and coaches. They kept taking away his favorite receivers inexplicably. Braylon was his best guy and it took them 2+ years to realize to sign him back - and they could've gotten him for cheap! They got rid of Cotchery who was the best leader they had. They didn't replenish the running game after LT left. They made Santonio freaking Holmes captain. They allowed him to trot out their with the worst supporting cast in the NFL. He accounted for 32 TDs two years ago with no running game and a receiving corps that couldn't get any separation (I'm going to laugh at whatever team signs Keller to a decent contract).

He deserves blame for completely regressing this season, and he has always had flaws as a player but it's hard not to consider how bad they messed him up.

Like I said earlier, he's a year removed from a 32 TD season with no supporting cast. His turnovers have always been an issue in the reg. season.

But there were flashes of brilliance during those playoff runs. His best game was probably the Pittsburgh loss when Ben hit Sanders on the third down to seal it. Sanchez was so hot if that didn't happen he may have drove them down for another score and sent them to the SB. It's crazy to think that a guy who is now viewed as a JOKE of a player was not afforded an opportunity to complete a defining drive to go to the damn SB.
I buy all of that, but he was still overrated as a top five QB.
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I buy all of that, but he was still overrated as a top five QB.
Probably.

I just wish we saw them put some thought into their offense as Sanchez matured. I didn't even mention that they used time, energy, and resources to bring in Tim Tebow last year.

And Tony Sparano was the OC. lololol. That's like the worst possible situation any QB could possibly be in.

Prior to this trainwreck the highlights of his seasons were as follows:

1) AFCCG w/ two road victories.
2) AFCCG w/ game winning drive @ IND (lol Caldwell timeout after big-time Braylon throw), good game @ NE, and best game in a loss @ PIT.

3) 32 TDs, were in the playoff hunt until a W17 loss, WAY too many picks. Team regressed, he was too inconsistent.

4) butt fumble.

He's a bust by the end, but it wasn't a typical one.

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I think Sanchez would have been fine with a fresh start a couple years ago. I think it's too late and too much damage has been done at this point, though.
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I think Sanchez would have been fine with a fresh start a couple years ago. I think it's too late and too much damage has been done at this point, though.
Fresh start with below average talent....doesn't really get you anywhere.

He is a below average QB.
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