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Old 03-15-2013, 06:45 PM    (permalink
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Justin Pugh (Syracuse OT) should be a 1st rd pick. His name is buzzing in personnel circles. I think he's a better version of Andy Levitre.
I do not love him as an OT, but I would be interested to see what he does in a passing offense at OG.
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I made a mock this afternoon and had him going #22 to St. Louis. His tape is really good and he leaves a team with the option of kicking him over to right tackle or inside to guard.
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Should, but probably won't. Warmack, Cooper, Warford. Not sure he'll make it in the top 32 but early-mid 2nd is realistic.

Buzzing in personnel circles. I'm sorry what is his definition of that? Is it two-three teams that like him?

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I think he's a solid second round pick. There are too many good guards in this class already. His only chance is that Warmack or Cooper goes top 10 and the other goes top 15.
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How is he better than Kyle Long?
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How is he better than Kyle Long?
The guys had phenomenal feet and technique, and I mean textbook technique.

But he does not really have the length or size you look for at OT and the short arms especially hurt him.
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The guys had phenomenal feet and technique, and I mean textbook technique.

But he does not really have the length or size you look for at OT and the short arms especially hurt him.
Right, I know that and that's why he is considered a OG candidate. But as an OG, does his power and pure athleticism come close to Long's?
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Right, I know that and that's why he is considered a OG candidate. But as an OG, does his power and pure athleticism come close to Long's?
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He's a solid second round prospect, probably as an OG but with a shot at playing LT. His length and short arms will likely prevent him from being a great player but he should be pretty solid.
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Long is somewhat of an old prospect and has injury concerns. I'd rather take Pugh, possibly only to hear announcers call him "Poo".
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Long is somewhat of an old prospect and has injury concerns. I'd rather take Pugh, possibly only to hear announcers call him "Poo".
Long is 24 right now and doesn't have a lot of wear and tear on him having tried his hand at baseball out of highschool. Also not seeing a history of injuries there so not sure where that is coming from.

Pugh is probably more of a technician as a guard and can play RT for a team also. Long gets by more with athletecism and a nasty disposition. Both guys are on my wish list for the Seahawks in the second round.
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Really overrated player. Especially for a OG. Doesnt have the strength for inside. His tape shows a ZBS LT or maybe LG. I think he's more of a backup in the NFL.
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Really overrated player. Especially for a OG. Doesnt have the strength for inside. His tape shows a ZBS LT or maybe LG. I think he's more of a backup in the NFL.
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Pugh to Chicago in Round 1. Lock it up.

BTW, who is @movethesticks?
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For a scheme that requires length, strength and the power to anchor you think Pugh is a 1st round candidate for that role? Seems to be all his weaknesses.
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I think he's a solid OT at the next level.

He just moves so well.

His arms etc will stop him from being elite, but solid has value.

I don't see him having the base to be an OG.
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Kiper has him listed as a center in his latest rankings. Crazy projection seeing as a 6'5" center is not seen.
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Kiper has him listed as a center in his latest rankings. Crazy projection seeing as a 6'5" center is not seen.
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Going from OT to OG is pretty easy, but center is another planet. You would not believe the number if great OLmen I have seen that cannot snap the ball and move to save their life.
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I think Pugh is much better suited at guard or RT.
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max unger is 6-5, pounceys are 6-4, mangold is 6-4, mack is 6-4..i dont get whats so crazy about it
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Because the majority of C are between 6'3" and 6'1"
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This is going to sound like a slam on you -- it's not. You aren't normally taken to this kind of remark so I hope the distinction between speaker and statement is clear.

Particularly since you saw the results of Tom Cable's offensive line of misfit linemen. He's definitely not a measurables conformist.


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The Seahawks thanks the NFL for that. Every April. So do the Patriots. And the Packers. And Ravens. We'll see if we can add the Niners to that group too. This should be the year they wash the taste of the 2012 draft out of their collective mouths. Same with Miami. They should kill the draft this year.

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Worry about whether the guys can play. The measurables comes after.
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Originally Posted by princefielder28 View Post
Kiper has him listed as a center in his latest rankings. Crazy projection seeing as a 6'5" center is not seen.
Don't be surprised if Pugh does end up at center. It is a possibility. He really could play anywhere on the offensive line.
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