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Old 04-26-2013, 10:03 PM    (permalink
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Default Jerry Reese and Ozzie Newsome Do It Again

It's no wonder that these guys are widely recognized as maybe the two best GMs in the league.

They take advantage of the stupidity of other teams, wait in the weeds, and snatch up talented players that inexplicably fall through the cracks.

Case in point:

- The New York Giants get Jonathan Hankins, maybe the best or second best NT prospect in this class, at #49. This guy could easily end up as the best run-stuffing DT in this class. The Giants then grab Damontre Moore, who has top-10 college production and talent, all the way down in the third round. Moore cannot play in a 3-4 but he fits the Giants 4-3 scheme to a tee. At one point, Moore was considered a top-10 prospect in this class and getting him for only a third round pick is an absolutely steal.

- Despite picking last in every round, the Ravens managed to get quality players at every point. In the first round they grab Matt Elam, who some consider the best safety in this class. At #56, they again grab a player who many consider the best at his position - Arthur Brown, the playmaking ILB from K-State, who may end up having a better career than both Manti Teo and Alec Ogletree. And they do it yet again in the third round by snatching up talented small-school sleeper Brandon Williams, who has more talent than most DTs in this class.

It's amazing how great these GMs are at just picking talent and going BPA instead of reaching for needs like every other team in the NFL.
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Agree with the Ravens draft, they've done really well. The giants day 2 was phenomenal but it doesn't entirely make up for Pugh at 19, still think that was one of the worst value picks in this draft.
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Tom Telesco in San Diego in his first draft as GM.

DJ Fluker
Manti Te'o
Keenan Allen

Impressive.

And I'm disappointed that Ted Thompson isn't mentioned here. He lives for the draft.
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Tom Telesco in San Diego in his first draft as GM.

DJ Fluker
Manti Te'o
Keenan Allen

Impressive.

And I'm disappointed that Ted Thompson isn't mentioned here. He lives for the draft.
Impressive names, but I'm not sure that will end up being a great draft.

San Diego got a right tackle who can't pass protect, a two-down linebacker who can't cover, and a wide receiver with knee, ankle, and possible drug concerns.
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Tom Telesco in San Diego in his first draft as GM.

DJ Fluker
Manti Te'o
Keenan Allen

Impressive.

And I'm disappointed that Ted Thompson isn't mentioned here. He lives for the draft.
HORRIBLE strategy. Fluker will never be a LT, but was taken in LT territory. Teo? I could not believe this pick! You all traded UP to get this average MLB?? As many have pointed out, a NFL caliber 3-4 MLB has to be able to a) take on guard head on and defeat blocks and b) blitz successfully. Teo does neither particularly well. Allen concerns me apart from the injury. There is far too much film of him being chased down.
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HORRIBLE strategy. Fluker will never be a LT, but was taken in LT territory. Teo? I could not believe this pick! You all traded UP to get this average MLB?? As many have pointed out, a NFL caliber 3-4 MLB has to be able to a) take on guard head on and defeat blocks and b) blitz successfully. Teo does neither particularly well. Allen concerns me apart from the injury. There is far too much film of him being chased down.
I agree with this.

Fluker is a great run-blocking RT, but mediocre as a pass blocker. I don't see anything really special there, and he can basically only play RT or G. No value in the first round for this kind of player. Strictly a need-based reach, as one of the DTs or FS would have been a better pick at that point.

Teo could be a solid MLB or ILB in the NFL, and nothing more. He has no special athleticism. He has good instincts, but he's going to have to rely completely on them.

The rest of their draft is pretty "meh" as well.
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Slow down on the Arthur Brown hype. He was a small LB in college, he's going to be a small LB in the pros. Nice player, future starter but he won't ever IMO dominate on the NFL level. He's a run and chase guy I don't see ever being much of a factor against the run.

Ogletree>>>>>Brown.

Damontre Moore will probably ball out for the Giants and make the loss of Osi on non-issue.
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Ogletree>>>>>Brown.
Brown at 56 >>>> Ogletree at 30
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Les Snead and Kevin Colbert deserve some plaudits too.
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Trent Baalke deserves mention here :

He traded 31 & 74 for 18 (less than chart value) to get the best safety on the 49ers board (right or wrong it's who they preferred).

He traded back from 34 for 40, 216 and a 3rd round pick in 2014.

He traded 61 & 173 to get 55 (while Ozzie Newsome moved 62, 165 & 199 to get to 56).
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Slow down on the Arthur Brown hype. He was a small LB in college, he's going to be a small LB in the pros. Nice player, future starter but he won't ever IMO dominate on the NFL level. He's a run and chase guy I don't see ever being much of a factor against the run.

Ogletree>>>>>Brown.

Damontre Moore will probably ball out for the Giants and make the loss of Osi on non-issue.
It's not like his the same size as the 3 best 3-4 ILBs in the league, oh wait he is.
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It's not like his the same size as the 3 best 3-4 ILBs in the league, oh wait he is.

Patrick Willis. Navorro Bowman. Arthur Brown.

One of these names doesn't belong.
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Patrick Willis. Navorro Bowman. Arthur Brown.

One of these names doesn't belong.
Oh that last one will though. Brown is a stud. In the right system, he is a All-Pro waiting to happen. Not sure about his fit in a 3-4, then again I had that same concern with Willis.

And I love the ppl hating on the Reid pick. You'll be hating that pick 2 years from now as well....
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Slow down on the Arthur Brown hype. He was a small LB in college, he's going to be a small LB in the pros. Nice player, future starter but he won't ever IMO dominate on the NFL level. He's a run and chase guy I don't see ever being much of a factor against the run.

Ogletree>>>>>Brown.

Damontre Moore will probably ball out for the Giants and make the loss of Osi on non-issue.
Lavonte David anyone?
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Ogletree>>>>>Brown.
Lavonte David... people said everything you said about Brown about David. All he did was ball out in the NFL. Guys a monster.
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Not really, Davis was a WILL.
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Well, both Reese and Newsome did a nice job overall, but I don't think it was anywhere near their best. First, Hankins? Did they just draft Linvell Joseph, another 320 + pounder? Whatever happended to their Nascar unit?? I like the Moore pick as a fit, but the trade up for Nassib was terrible IMO. As far as Newsome, awesome first round pick in Elam, so so 2nd round pick in Arthur Brown who doesn't fit a 3-4 ideally.

I'll take this opportunity to pimp what Reggie McKenzie was able to accomplish with the Raiders. We came in with 7 picks that included no 2nd rounder and no 5th rounder. We ended up with 10 picks which included the 10th pick of the 2nd round. CB was #1 need by most counts, we not only got the CB we were looking for in the 1st, but we were able to get that 2nd rounder and turned it into Menelik Watson who took care of a need at RT long term. Reggie was able to get likely a starting TE in Nick Kasa in the 6th. With Kasa, OLB Sio Moore, Watson and Hayden, I believe we got 4 starters as well as D-line and QB depth. And after what we saw from Rod Streator last year, wouldn't sleep on Brice Butler, a WR who has the same dimensions and performance numbers.
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Ogletree would need to learn how to tackle and not take terrible angles against the run to be as good as Brown.
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No matter who the Giants and Ravens take people would slurp the picks.

Let's wait 3 years. Everyone thought the Pats knew what they were doing too.
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Let's wait 3 years. Everyone thought the Pats knew what they were doing too.
I still think Ozzie is the best GM in football, but his drafts haven't been that great. He's made some great picks for sure, but he's had his fair share of misses. Jimmy Smith, Sergio Kindle, and Terrance Cody were all wasted picks and he's had very little success after the 3rd round.
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I still think Ozzie is the best GM in football, but his drafts haven't been that great. He's made some great picks for sure, but he's had his fair share of misses. Jimmy Smith, Sergio Kindle, and Terrance Cody were all wasted picks and he's had very little success after the 3rd round.
See, to me those were still all good picks. Nobody is going to get it right every year top to bottom. Steelers, Pats, even Baalke may possibly have a bust in Jenkins last year in the 1st. But it always seems Ozzie gets great value on players who fit perfectly. I hardly see them reach on a player, or get someone with a questionable fit. I loved all 3 of those guys as prospects, hard to fault him there.


I also think it's odd/funny how all the NFC West teams are going to the SEC well on defense. They are getting all the top notch athletes who have gone through a SEC program and faced that competition then bring them along slowly.


Letting Tharold Simon fall that far and then going to the Seahawks? Really? Who is going to be surprised when that pick pans out? He was projected as a 1st rounder at one point, is long as hell at 6'2, and is playing in a scheme that is going to highlight all of his strengths and let him do what he does best and that's be physical. Look at the Safeties he has behind him and the front 7 in front of him, these teams in the NFCW have a strong foundation in place and it makes picking in those middle rounds like stealing almost.
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Letting Tharold Simon fall that far and then going to the Seahawks? Really? Who is going to be surprised when that pick pans out? He was projected as a 1st rounder at one point, is long as hell at 6'2, and is playing in a scheme that is going to highlight all of his strengths and let him do what he does best and that's be physical. Look at the Safeties he has behind him and the front 7 in front of him, these teams in the NFCW have a strong foundation in place and it makes picking in those middle rounds like stealing almost.
this. easily one of my favorite picks of the entire draft.
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I really like what the Ravens did. Much like the Steelers, they sit back at their selection, and always seem to take good value at their picks. Elam and Arthur Brown are plug and play starters. I was already a fan of what they were doing on the D-line with Ngata kicking inside and guys like Canty, Canty, and Arthur Jones at End so you can develop Brandon Williams there who has huge upside.


Same for Baalke. They can trade up when they need to, always stockpile picks a year out, and they have the infastructure to take rookies who don't need to play in year 1 and can swing for the fence. He's got a marvelous eye for talent and I love what he's done this year. People may not like Reid but he's going to end up being a pro bowler in that scheme, the fit is perfect.


Seattle has been doing a great job lately also, it's just funny how every year you can notice the teams who draft well and understand value and get the best picks and some franchises just never get it right.
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