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Interesting article on DC.com. Kinda emphasizes what we've all been talking about in regards to the acquisition of Escobar and how Garrett has always idolized Belichick.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/ar...6-7a51cea3f5a9

If there’s a guiding principle or an ideal the Cowboys are hoping to follow this offseason, it certainly seems like the New England Patriots are on the brain.

That’s not writer speculation or educated guessing, either. That’s coming straight from the mouth of the shot-callers. During every day of the NFL draft, following his post-draft press conferences, Cowboys owner/general manager Jerry Jones spoke briefly with the media, and three days in a row he referenced the Patriots specifically.

“They’re a good role model for us,” Jones said Thursday night. “They’ve got a quarterback in Brady, they’ve done a good job of having an offensive football team and they’ve given up a little bit on their defense – they want to score points.”

It certainly sounds familiar. The Cowboys, like New England, feature an aging quarterback who they’re committed to long term, the goal seeming to be to run as much as possible through Tony Romo. Jones spoke at length both Thursday and Friday night about how buying Romo time was his most critical issue.

“From the word go, every time [Romo] looks at it, he goes ‘A half second. Just a half second would be the greatest difference you’ve ever seen,’” Jones said.

With that extra half second hopefully secured by the pickup of Travis Frederick, Jones made his next-highest priority a Patriots hallmark as well with the selection of a pass-catching dynamo at tight end. Only time will tell if Gavin Escobar can even sniff the production of Rob Gronkowski or Aaron Hernandez alongside Jason Witten.

But the intention is crystal clear.

“We welcome the opportunity to add a real tight end – with New England-type emphasis there. And can this quarterback have both of them? He sure can,” Jones said.

Unsurprisingly, that emulation carried into the later rounds of the draft on Saturday afternoon. New England has long used a platoon of running backs, rather than one featured ball carrier. The Patriots have only had two 1,000-yard rushers since their 2004 Super Bowl season. One of those, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, barely topped the mark at 1,008. Stevan Ridley was their first back to have a truly prolific season behind Tom Brady when he ripped off 1,200 yards in 2012.

“They’ve been three wide receiver teams in the past; they’ve been a couple of tight end teams in recent years when they’ve gotten these guy,” said Cowboys coach Jason Garrett. “They do a great job playing to the strengths of their personnel.”

If their selection of Joseph Randle in the fifth round Saturday pans out, look for the Cowboys to try a similar platoon system with Randle and DeMarco Murray, with Lance Dunbar used as an occasional change of pace.

“Somebody asked the starter question early. You can make a big case in this day and time that your second running back is going to take snaps and be a part of your coaching strategy,” Jones said of Randle. “There aren’t 11 starters on offense – there’s 14, or there’s 15, or there’s 13. When we say ‘starter,’ we really could envision him coming in and having that many plays a game.”

So, four of seven draft picks were spent to help create offensive firepower. With any luck, it could be enough to push Dallas’ sixth-ranked offense up toward New England at No. 1. The three defensive picks in this draft? A safety, a cornerback and a linebacker-safety tweener. All three picks should hopefully help bolster the Cowboys’ awful turnover margin of -13 – something the 25 Patriots used to mitigate a mediocre defense.

“You can’t get it all, so you want to tailor to what you do best,” Jones said.

The blueprint seems pretty obvious. Whether it works that way is yet to be determined.

“They’re a team, like a lot of teams around the league, that we’ll study in the offseason,” Garrett said of the Patriots. “We’ll watch what they do and see what the trends are. They typically do the trends better than most, so they’re a good example for us.”
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Interesting article about how Draft Trades affected teams salary.

By trading down from 18, the Cowboys saved $550+K in signing bonus money.

http://overthecap.com/the-financial-...ft-day-trades/

Here's how the rest of the teams did:

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Dead Money and the Dallas Cowboys

Over the past few weeks we’ve seen, both on this website and throughout the media, articles concerning all the contract restructuring the Dallas Cowboys have done. However, rarely (except for here on OverTheCap.com), has it been pointed out all the dead money accumulation in the future the Cowboys have put together in the process of these restructures. Sure, most places mention how much cap space the team cleared for 2013, and a lot of people will look at it and think it’s a great thing. As we’ve alluded to a million times here, this great news is not always what it’s cracked up to be. Specifically with the Cowboys, Jason has written a bunch about the mess they’re in now and will continue to be in down the line. Based on all that, I wanted to take a look at just where all the dead money is tied up with the Cowboys now and in the future. Keep in mind that the dead money totals in this post do not include amounts from any projections of rookie signing bonuses and/or guaranteed salaries, and so these numbers will be changing soon.

For those who are unfamiliar with the concept of dead money and how it applies to a team’s salary cap (for those who are, just skip this paragraph), dead money doesn’t refer to what it costs on a team’s salary cap to keep a player on their roster for the season. Dead money refers to how much money a player will cost a team on the salary cap if the team cuts ties with that player (or in some cases, trades that player). In a given year, a player’s dead money count can come from a number of things, such as signing bonus proration from future years that have accelerated to the current year due to the player being released, guaranteed base salaries down the line, etc. Calculating dead money isn’t one set formula for every player, many have unique contract structures that will drastically alter that player’s dead money total in a certain year; the specific point in the year when the player is released and/or traded can also have an effect (See Jason’s many posts on some guy named Revis, Darrelle). Dead money totals in the future can become extremely concerning to a team’s salary cap situation; older players who are no longer performing at the necessary level with big dead money hits from contracts negotiated in their prime become prohibitive (due to the money that accelerates to the current year’s cap when an older player with big dead money hits gets released). Thus, the dead money totals you see aren’t what these players are costing the Cowboys today, but instead it is what it would cost against the cap if these players were released in the specific year listed. Keep in mind that if a player is released, his dead money totals in the future no longer apply. This means, if Player X is released in 2013, he no longer has a dead money total in 2014 and beyond. Most dead money totals from future years simply accelerate into the current year’s salary cap.

2013

As mentioned above, we’ve heard a million times about all the restructures the Cowboys have done to free up cap space now. As such, I didn’t want to spend so much time on the dead money this year since, well, 2013 is already here. Regardless, as of today, Dallas has about $168,629,424 in dead money on the roster. The five largest amounts of dead money for the Cowboys in 2013 come from Brandon Carr ($22,300,000), DeMarcus Ware ($15,823,943), Tony Romo ($13,499,835), Morris Claiborne ($13,307,320) and Jason Witten ($12,060,000). Safe to say these players aren’t going anywhere this year, so their dead money totals as of right now are an afterthought.

2014

As of now, the Cowboys have 30 players on the roster whose contracts carry dead money totals into 2014. The total amount of dead money for 2014 is currently $97,616,072. The highest dead money players may be in their 20’s at this point (Carr wth $16.868 million and Claiborne with $9,610,842), but the average age of the next 6 players is 31.8:

Witten (32): $8,648,000

Ware (32): $8,571,500

Romo (34): $8,181,000

Austin (30): $7,855,600

Free (30): $7,000,000

Ratliff (33): $6,928,000)

The 6 players listed directly above account for 48.3% of all potential dead money on the Cowboys cap in 2014.

2015

In 2015, the Cowboys have 20 players with dead money totals for a sum of $56,492,180. Of the 11 highest dead money hits on the team, only 3 will be in their 20’s:

Carr (29): $12.151,000

Claiborne(25): $5,175,069

Scandrick(28): $3,602,500

The other 8 highest dead money totals come from players who are age 31 and over:

Ware (33): $5,317,750

Witten (33): $5,236,000

Austin (31): $5,106,200

Romo (35): $4,908,000

Ratliff (34): $4,196,000

Free (31): $3,980,000

Orton (32): $2,000,000

Livings (33) $1,400,000

The average age of those 8 players is 32.75, and they would account 56.89% of the potential dead money on Dallas’ cap that year (as constructed today).

2016

As of now, the Cowboys have 13 players carrying dead money into 2016 for a total of $22,079,050. The problem here is that the top 5 are all age 30 and over, with the only one in the top 8 (dead money of $1 million or more) under 30 is Orlando Scandrick.

Carr (30): $7,434,000

Austin (32): $2,356,800

Ware (34): $2,064,000

Witten (34): $1,824,000

Romo (36): $1,635,000

Scandrick(29): $1,501,250

Ratliff (35): $1,464,000

Orton (33): $1,000,000

While most of these figures for 2016 obviously aren’t huge, the Cowboys are a team that haven’t exactly left themselves in the best salary cap situation year after year, and so every available dollar counts. The point of this post isn’t really to say that they’re absolutely doomed down the line, or that they can’t get out of it, because I’m sure there are ways they can at least ease the burden. The point is, the Cowboys certainly do have a large amount of dead money tied into aging players and, unless they are extremely confident these players will play at a high level throughout the life of their contracts, this is just not a great practice. It’s more than likely a lot of these players won’t be on the team this long; most will probably be released at some time and so this team is going to see a large accumulation of dead money onto their salary cap at some point. Whether or not the Cowboys can find a way to balance the likely hits their cap will take remains to be seen, but what we can say as of right now is that we wouldn’t want to be them when it happens.
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“I think in a lot of cases, it’s kind of like a bridge,” Ciskowski told the G-Bag Nation show Monday on 105.3 The Fan [KRLD-FM]. “We bring the players to the bridge and the coaches have to take them across. The main thing is just to communicate exactly what the coach wants. There was a defensive tackle from Georgia, John Jenkins, who as a matter of fact, was drafted by New Orleans. If we were still in the 3-4, we would’ve liked him as a nose [tackle]. But now that we’ve transitioned back to a 4-3, he really doesn’t fit what we’re looking for. So a lot of it is about the new coach educating us on what he wants at each position and it’s our job to go out and find it.”

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/20...ff-floyd.html/


The Dallas Cowboys had a first-round grade on Florida defensive tackle Shariff Floyd. He was probably the top player on the Cowboys’ draft board when they were supposed to pick at No. 18 in the first round. But they chose to trade back and Floyd went to the Minnesota Vikings at No. 23.

So why have him on the board?

Well, because they liked Floyd as a player but some in the organization weren’t sold on how he’d fit into their new 4-3 scheme.

Judging solely off the body language of Cowboys coach Jason Garrett and assistant director of player personnel Tom Ciskowski, trading back and missing out on a player like Floyd wasn’t the unanimous decision.

Ciskowski doesn’t have final say on the players the Cowboys draft. He presents information to the team and it’s up to Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones and the coaching staff to ultimately make the decision.

“I think in a lot of cases, it’s kind of like a bridge,” Ciskowski told the G-Bag Nation show Monday on 105.3 The Fan [KRLD-FM]. “We bring the players to the bridge and the coaches have to take them across. The main thing is just to communicate exactly what the coach wants. There was a defensive tackle from Georgia, John Jenkins, who as a matter of fact, was drafted by New Orleans. If we were still in the 3-4, we would’ve liked him as a nose [tackle]. But now that we’ve transitioned back to a 4-3, he really doesn’t fit what we’re looking for. So a lot of it is about the new coach educating us on what he wants at each position and it’s our job to go out and find it.”

What also factors in to the Cowboys not drafting Floyd at No. 18 is that the franchise feels good about the defensive linemen on the current roster. As of right now, the Cowboys have DeMarcus Ware and Anthony Spencer starting on the ends with Jay Ratliff and Jason Hatcher on the inside. The top two reserves at tackle will likely be Sean Lissemore and Tyrone Crawford.

“I like our group, I really do,” Ciskowski said. “Between Spencer and Ware and then we got the guys inside in Ratliff and Hatcher and two young players who have shown great flash in Lissemore and Crawford. Then we have some other guys that have done some good things but they’re somewhat untested. A lot of teams go into the season with five players they feel good about, maybe six. And I think we’re at that level, and we might find another one in the group.”

Kyle Wilber, a fourth-round draft pick last year, has been moved to defensive end and could see time behind Spencer and Ware.
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Monte Kiffin breaks down Dallas Cowboys' defensive draft picks, including B.W. Webb: 'Remember that name.

Dallas Cowboys defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin joined Shan and R.J. on KRLD-FM The Fan over the weekend to discuss the NFL Draft. Here are some highlights:

How’s the draft going so far?
Going good. I’m fired up right now. B.W. Webb – remember that name. Yeah, we got a good safety, too. We started late, but we’re coming on fast in the fourth quarter.

It took a while to get you any help on defense.
I know, I could’ve watched it on TV [laughs]. But anyway, it’s all good because you know the thing about those offensive players? They convert that third-and-four…

They keep you off the field?
Yeah! I like that. I like that.

Talk about B.W. Webb.
He’s 5-10 and a half, or whatever, and sometimes they’ll get into, ‘Well, is he tall enough to play corner against the big receivers?’ But, you know what? Last time I checked, Ronde Barber at the Combine was 5-9 ¾. We drafted him in 1997 with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and he’s still playing, unless he retires this year. And this in 2013. He played a lot of nickel. He became famous as a nickel corner. I’m not saying B.W. Webb is Ronde Barber, but I’m saying their height doesn’t concern you that much at the nickel spot because remember your fourth corner – you’ve got three corners on your team when you play nickel – one corner gets hurt, [the fourth corner is] one snap from being a starter. So your corners are very, very valuable.
We have a couple of good corners here now, we really do. But we need competition, and we’ve got to make sure we’ve got depth at corner. Now, the third defensive tackle is very important because if one of those tackles gets hurt – or third defensive end – it’s very important. He’s one snap away. But the fourth defensive tackle, the fourth defensive end is not one snap away. The fourth corner is one snap away.

Why were the Cowboys so excited about getting J.J. Wilcox?
Well, just because of our safety need. Our starting safety [Gerald Sensabaugh], we don’t have him, and our other safety has not played. Barry Church is a good football player, but he’s coming off an injury and it’s not just a sore shoulder or something like that. We just don’t have a lot of players who have played safety. We needed a safety, we really did. No doubt about it.

What type of player is Wilcox?
Well, he’s a good football player. He was a running back until this last year. He did not move to defensive safety until camp this year before the season started. Their need was so much at Georgia Southern that they had to have a safety, so they put him at safety. And for one year of playing defensive back, he is very, very impressive. Now, he’s still a little bit raw, but he’s a great young man and he’s going to work his tail off. He’s going to be the first guy sitting in the first row. And those kind of guys, I like those kind of players because they’ve got a lot of energy, and when you meet in practice and you watch the tape and stuff, they develop quicker than somebody that’s just, ‘Hey, this is pretty neat.’ No, this is the NFL. Let’s go

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The double-pronged error began when Florida defensive tackle Shariff Floyd experienced a precipitous fall from the top of the draft. Most viewed him as a top-10 talent. I am told the Cowboys not only had a first-round grade on Shariff but also entered the day with him ranked in the top seven on their board.

Sitting at No. 18, the Cowboys had two more first-round-graded players to choose from: Notre Dame tight end Tyler Eifert and Tennessee receiver Cordarrelle Patterson. Rather than stick with the board there, Dallas pulled out the Trade Value Chart to engineer a trade with San Francisco that I reported on Monday was a distinct possibility:

Dallas should be able to trade down from 18 and pick up the 49ers’ selections at either Nos. 31 or 34 and No. 61 (which is a late second-rounder).
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The double-pronged error began when Florida defensive tackle Shariff Floyd experienced a precipitous fall from the top of the draft. Most viewed him as a top-10 talent. I am told the Cowboys not only had a first-round grade on Shariff but also entered the day with him ranked in the top seven on their board.

Sitting at No. 18, the Cowboys had two more first-round-graded players to choose from: Notre Dame tight end Tyler Eifert and Tennessee receiver Cordarrelle Patterson. Rather than stick with the board there, Dallas pulled out the Trade Value Chart to engineer a trade with San Francisco that I reported on Monday was a distinct possibility:

Dallas should be able to trade down from 18 and pick up the 49ers’ selections at either Nos. 31 or 34 and No. 61 (which is a late second-rounder).
Same thing Ive been saying since the draft. Horrible trade, not good value and we didnt stick to our board after JG said we would. Most on this board dont want to hear/read about it so....
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Same thing Ive been saying since the draft. Horrible trade, not good value and we didnt stick to our board after JG said we would. Most on this board dont want to hear/read about it so....
I haven't really heard anybody say we got a great return on that trade. Quite contrary. Many people have bashed the trade value.

Now that is different from bashing the trade. I like the actual trade down. I just think that the value wasn't what it should have been. Was it to the point where I wouldn't have done the trade? NO. What can you do though?

If SF says they don't want to give up anymore, do you just stay? Maybe you would, but I think I would have to begrudingly take it... and I think the Cowboys begrudingly took it too. I don't think they were High Fiving each other because of the value they got.

They admit that it was between Floyd, Eifert and Patterson. Frederick and Williams vs one of them... In the end, I think the value is equal. So I think the Cowboys recovered well. If SF gave us their 2nd and we took Williams there, nobody would've blinked twice.

But because we got him in the 3rd versus 2nd, everyone has their arms in the air. Bottomline, just grade the trade on the players we got versus what we could've got. I think the value is within reason. I actually think we won. We're able to get more out of it with the 2 players.
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Almost a week later, the decisions the Cowboys made in the first round of the NFL Draft remains puzzling, even troubling, to those inside and outside the Cowboys organization.

It still is a sore subject among scouts, according to a source.
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“We are not disappointed in what we drafted at 31, more disappointed in who we passed up at 18," the source said.
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"Jerry wanted to address the offensive line or safety in the first round; no other options were viable," the source said.

Jones made the call to make a trade to move down in the draft, where the Cowboys were targeting Syracuse guard Justin Pugh with the 31st pick they got from the 49ers.
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Don't misunderstand. People in the Cowboys organization aren't troubled by the pick, just the process and decision to pass on a top-10 player.

Again, it's not the pick that has everyone puzzled; it was the process.
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Read more here: http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com...#storylink=cpy

I wont rehash all the stuff Ive already said but...yeah
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When people complain about the process and not the player, then that's a cop out to me.

If you don't like what happened AND you don't like the player, then that's logical to me. Complain all you want.

But if you gripe about the process but still like the player, then **** (not you pocketaces, just those talking heads). What are you complaining about? We got a player that you aren't complaining about.

Who here is sad that we missed out on Pugh??? Not I. I call it a blessing.
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When people complain about the process and not the player, then that's a cop out to me.

If you don't like what happened AND you don't like the player, then that's logical to me. Complain all you want.

But if you gripe about the process but still like the player, then **** (not you pocketaces, just those talking heads). What are you complaining about? We got a player that you aren't complaining about.

Who here is sad that we missed out on Pugh??? Not I. I call it a blessing.
I bolded Pugh cuz we had a disagreement about if he was am option or not ;)

C'Mon D, how can you say that? You said our 4th round corner (if I remember correctly) was a stud. Are you telling me because you like the player youd have been ok if we drafted him at 18? HELL NO. The draft is all about value and not reaching on guys, trading up or down when needed and getting the BPA at the spots they should be taken. You can like a player but hate the spot you took him in.
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I bolded Pugh cuz we had a disagreement about if he was am option or not ;)

C'Mon D, how can you say that? You said our 4th round corner (if I remember correctly) was a stud. Are you telling me because you like the player youd have been ok if we drafted him at 18? HELL NO. The draft is all about value and not reaching on guys, trading up or down when needed and getting the BPA at the spots they should be taken. You can like a player but hate the spot you took him in.
Can? Sure you can. But it's still a cop out.

You want to avoid any criticism in case Frederick pans out to be an excellent player. You want to be able to say that you liked him all along, but you're NOT willing to say he was worth the pick. To me that goes against each other. At no point (not now or in the future) will you admit that Frederick was worth the pick. Not even if he was an All-Pro. You're always gonna go back and say we could've gotten him later. BULL ****. Nobody knows that. The way the trend was pointing, ALL of the OL were getting gobbled up higher than they would in most years. There is NO, NONE, ZERO, ZILCH proof that you can point to to say he would've been there at 47. You cling onto imaginative facinations that he would have based off the talking heads. That is not a credible source!

What it is, is a storyline making headlines and folks making a living off the number of hits their website brings based off what they write. The more dramatic, the better. Soak it all up if you wish. That's what the media wants to spin, so it must be true.

The only way I am going to criticize this pick is if Frederick flops. Otherwise, we made an attempt to address our biggest need with a player within adequate range.

If Floyd flops and Frederick balls out, then who made the smart pick?
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Can? Sure you can. But it's still a cop out.

You want to avoid any criticism in case Frederick pans out to be an excellent player. You want to be able to say that you liked him all along, but you're NOT willing to say he was worth the pick. To me that goes against each other. At no point (not now or in the future) will you admit that Frederick was worth the pick. Not even if he was an All-Pro. You're always gonna go back and say we could've gotten him later. BULL ****. Nobody knows that. The way the trend was pointing, ALL of the OL were getting gobbled up higher than they would in most years. There is NO, NONE, ZERO, ZILCH proof that you can point to to say he would've been there at 47. You cling onto imaginative facinations that he would have based off the talking heads. That is not a credible source!

What it is, is a storyline making headlines and folks making a living off the number of hits their website brings based off what they write. The more dramatic, the better. Soak it all up if you wish. That's what the media wants to spin, so it must be true.

The only way I am going to criticize this pick is if Frederick flops. Otherwise, we made an attempt to address our biggest need with a player within adequate range.

If Floyd flops and Frederick balls out, then who made the smart pick?
I guess thats your opinion but you dont seem to understand what Ive said over and over and over. Let me try one more time. IMO we passed on better players. IF Fredeick wasnt there at 47 (you have no more proof that he wouldnt as I do that he would) THEN A SIMILAR RATED PROSPECT WOULD HAVE BEEN (Didnt mean a Center). WE GOT SCREWED IN THE TRADE! That matters to me. You have an idiot GM overruling his scouts. That matters to me. JG was PISSED when we traded down and so was our head scout. That matters to me. If none of those things bother you? cool. If your happy with JJ's drafts? cool. 17 years of mediocrity should be cause for concern that Jerry blew it again IMO.
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I guess thats your opinion but you dont seem to understand what Ive said over and over and over. Let me try one more time. IMO we passed on better players. IF Fredeick wasnt there at 47 (you have no more proof that he wouldnt as I do that he would) THEN A SIMILAR RATED PROSPECT WOULD HAVE BEEN (Didnt mean a Center). WE GOT SCREWED IN THE TRADE! That matters to me. You have an idiot GM overruling his scouts. That matters to me. JG was PISSED when we traded down and so was our head scout. That matters to me. If none of those things bother you? cool. If your happy with JJ's drafts? cool. 17 years of mediocrity should be cause for concern that Jerry blew it again IMO.
Well, we passed on higher ranked players according to draftniks. We won't know who's better until it is proven.

The choice was to stay and pick one of those or trade down and get a lesser player, but pick up an extra one.

With what we actually ended up with, nobody is crying about the players. Just the process. That's like complaining about about getting to Disneyland because you flew in coach instead of first class. Either way, you're not complaining about Disneyland.
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Can? Sure you can. But it's still a cop out.

You want to avoid any criticism in case Frederick pans out to be an excellent player. You want to be able to say that you liked him all along, but you're NOT willing to say he was worth the pick. To me that goes against each other. At no point (not now or in the future) will you admit that Frederick was worth the pick. Not even if he was an All-Pro. You're always gonna go back and say we could've gotten him later. BULL ****. Nobody knows that. The way the trend was pointing, ALL of the OL were getting gobbled up higher than they would in most years. There is NO, NONE, ZERO, ZILCH proof that you can point to to say he would've been there at 47. You cling onto imaginative facinations that he would have based off the talking heads. That is not a credible source!

What it is, is a storyline making headlines and folks making a living off the number of hits their website brings based off what they write. The more dramatic, the better. Soak it all up if you wish. That's what the media wants to spin, so it must be true.

The only way I am going to criticize this pick is if Frederick flops. Otherwise, we made an attempt to address our biggest need with a player within adequate range.

If Floyd flops and Frederick balls out, then who made the smart pick?
I guess if Floyd flops he'll be compared to Reid but either way you look at it, and I think it can be judged either way, you have to include Terrance Williams in the equation.
So it really should be Travis/williams vs Floyd or Reid.
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I guess if Floyd flops he'll be compared to Reid but either way you look at it, and I think it can be judged either way, you have to include Terrance Williams in the equation.
So it really should be Travis/williams vs Floyd or Reid.
Or with the trade down Cyprien or Elam
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I'm not gonna sit here and argue about where Frederick would have went. I just want to be clear that no one has a clue where Frederick would have went if we went a different direction. NO ONE. Where was Long rated by the talking heads? Did his value match his draft stock? What about Pugh? It's clear that the draft pundits value was a bit low on OL in general since teams went need over BPA a lot in this draft. I'm not saying Frederick would have even gone top 50. But what I'm saying is the difference between Frederick/Pugh/Long is close enough that after the draft looking back at how it fell Frederick wasn't as big of a reach as predraft value boards show. Because they would also show Pugh and Long as reaches. OL flew off the board and we secured a player we liked 1 spot away from the round he was projected by us. I don't have access to any teams boards so I can't say who else gave him a 2nd round grade. But what we all know is that starting OL went early and none of us have the ability to tell the future.
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Cyprien, Warford, Armstead, Moore, This would have filled our needs better IMO. A top Safety, 2 good O-linemen and a very productive DE. And thats IF Fredrick wasnt there at 47. Maybe he would have been, maybe he wouldnt have. Either way we could have gotten a better Safety prospect and 2 guys to compete for G and RT.
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It's easy to look smart when you look at the draft after the fact and play shoulda/coulda/woulda.

Warford wasn't even on our board.
Armstead has nice upside...but does he start over Free/Parnell this year?
Moore would be nice too...but he's just a rotational player year 1.
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It's easy to look smart when you look at the draft after the fact and play shoulda/coulda/woulda.

Warford wasn't even on our board.
Armstead has nice upside...but does he start over Free/Parnell this year?
Moore would be nice too...but he's just a rotational player year 1.
Those guys were avalible when they came up but passed. I could say the same about the guys we drafted minus Fredrick. Hes the only for sure day 1 starter. All Im saying is if they passed on Fredrick at 31 we still could have gotten similarly graded O-linemen at 47. IMO with all the needs we had we didnt solve any issues except at Center. TE, WR, RB, all luxury and we still have glaring holes at G, G, RT, Safety, and a blocking TE.
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That puts things in a bit of a different light. Since the article specifically says "coaches", it would certainly indicate that Monte Kiffin and Rod Marinelli had input. It is possible (just to speculate) that Garrett was inclined to go with the scouts, but Kiffin and Marinelli were in step with Jerry. But regardless where each individual stood, the information presented by Hill is that the scouts wanted Floyd because he was so high on the board, the coaches were not sold on his fit in Kiffin's 4-3 (possibly because of his low sack total in college since Kiffin is all about pressure on the quarterback all the time), and Jones did not want anyone except offensive line or safeties. With no players fitting Jones' desired profile, the trade option was selected. The scouts lost out in a three way disagreement where they got outnumbered, and they felt that the team erred in deviating from the board at that point.
FINALLY. A good answer for you Pocket. :) Scouts (and Garrett) are asking for Floyd at 18 and following the pre-draft board. KIFFIN/defensive coaches sided with Jerry/Stephen on a trade-down given his potential mis-match for Kiffin's scheme. So defensive coaches didn't trust the fit despite the scouting department giving him the #7 spot on our board.

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FINALLY. A good answer for you Pocket. :) Scouts (and Garrett) are asking for Floyd at 18 and following the pre-draft board. KIFFIN/defensive coaches sided with Jerry/Stephen on a trade-down given his potential mis-match for Kiffin's scheme. So defensive coaches didn't trust the fit despite the scouting department giving him the #7 spot on our board.

All good now?
They didn't see a good fit for Floyd evidently, and everyone was thinking OL but not particularly center, so it was a bit of a shock. But then you stop and reconsider the pick and it makes more sense. Everything else, regarding who or what they could've done is just conjecture at this point.
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FINALLY. A good answer for you Pocket. :) Scouts (and Garrett) are asking for Floyd at 18 and following the pre-draft board. KIFFIN/defensive coaches sided with Jerry/Stephen on a trade-down given his potential mis-match for Kiffin's scheme. So defensive coaches didn't trust the fit despite the scouting department giving him the #7 spot on our board.

All good now?
Excellent insight. Wish I was a fly on the wall.

I bet Garrett was upset because he wanted Eifert. I never saw him more pissed off than when he stomped on the table and walked out of the room when Tavon Austin got taken. So focused on offense, he probably wanted to add the receiveing weapon that is Tyler Eifert. Taking Escobar in Round 2 only solidifies that idea, imo.

Scouts... yeah, I can easily see they wanted Floyd.

Kiffin/Marinelli want "Rush men". Floyd isn't that kind of DT. They probably helped talk Jerry out of it and promoted taking Sly at 31.

Jerry wanting OL or S makes sense, but with Vacarro gone and OL shot, he didn't have a great option there.

So yeah, it was probably a split room. Not just guys on one side of the coin or the other.


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There must have been anxiety leading up to 31.

There was talk of us being interested in Sly, Patterson...

Kiffin/Marinelli were probably deflated when Sly was gone. Dooley probably punched the wall when Patterson was gone.

If Jerry is looking at OL and S...

We knew S was deep in this draft... Probably why they eventually opted against S at 31.

In the end, with Garrett and Ciscowski looking at their rankings they found solice in taking Frederick. Stephen was probably happy just for getting his engineer. Jerry was happy because he wanted OL.
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