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Was looking back at the recent NFL record books, QBs..... Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Brees.......

To be honest, I don't think any of them compare to this season.

The previous record was 36 for a season. Marino put up 48 on the board.
Do the math.... that's like shattering it, by 33% right?

This is a really cool video clip from 1984 for any oldies who might remember some of it, and all the youngsters who never got to see him, just saw some highlights. Take a look......... Well worth your time.


Lost in the shuffle, youngsters, watch some film here of the best pure passer in NFL history. Just watch.
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I always thought Marino had the best release and pure arm of any QB, ever. I still feel that way. It's a bummer he never won a Super Bowl or he'd be ranked much higher on people's list of best players of all time; fair or not, his legacy is tainted by not winning a ring.
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I always thought Marino had the best release and pure arm of any QB, ever. I still feel that way. It's a bummer he never won a Super Bowl or he'd be ranked much higher on people's list of best players of all time; fair or not, his legacy is tainted by not winning a ring.
True, although I think "his legacy" is pretty damn good/high.

Looking at those highlights, as well as the highlights of the greatest Monday Night game ever, 1985 Chicago @ Miami, and the 1984 playoff game Pittsburgh vs Miami, it showed that Marino was often pressured big time, early & often. He didn't often have a nice pocket.
I don't think any of today's QBs, even Rodgers who gets sacked 50 times a year, would have ever racked up stats close to that Marino when having to backpeddle and throw of the back foot all the time as I saw in many of those highlights.
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True, although I think "his legacy" is pretty damn good/high.

Looking at those highlights, as well as the highlights of the greatest Monday Night game ever, 1985 Chicago @ Miami, and the 1984 playoff game Pittsburgh vs Miami, it showed that Marino was often pressured big time, early & often. He didn't often have a nice pocket.
I don't think any of today's QBs, even Rodgers who gets sacked 50 times a year, would have ever racked up stats close to that Marino when having to backpeddle and throw of the back foot all the time as I saw in many of those highlights.
I loved watching Marino play, it was a lot of fun watching him throw the ball on almost every play, however, I am still stuck on Jimmy Johnson's analysis of Marino when he coached him, Jimmy said that Marino could never be a championship QB, because Marino insisted on throwing the ball way too much. Every time Johnson called a running play, Marino would audible at the LOS and change it to a passing play no matter what Johnson told him pregame.

Yes, Marino's stats are wonderful, but no rings puts him way behind the top QB's of all time IMO. He was just too hard headed to adjust in order to be a winner. Elway, on the other hand was the exact opposite under Shanahan, Shanahan insisted that Elway switch his play calling so the Broncos could win championships and Elway complied, and Denver began running the ball all the way to 2 championships, with Elway using the pass only when it was necessary.
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Was looking back at the recent NFL record books, QBs..... Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Brees.......

To be honest, I don't think any of them compare to this season.

The previous record was 36 for a season. Marino put up 48 on the board.
Do the math.... that's like shattering it, by 33% right?

This is a really cool video clip from 1984 for any oldies who might remember some of it, and all the youngsters who never got to see him, just saw some highlights. Take a look......... Well worth your time.

The record of 36 was set when a season was 14 games. Marino did hit 37 in his 14th game of the season, though. (...and 38, and 39, and 40)
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Im not sure if anyone of you have seen the ESPN 30 for 30: Elway to Marino. But it not only highlights those two guys, it is a very good film and has alot of behind the scene stuff that i had never known (Walsh wanted Elway, and was willing to trade Montana to acquire him) It really breaks down the whole 83' class as a whole and really good.
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Im not sure if anyone of you have seen the ESPN 30 for 30: Elway to Marino. But it not only highlights those two guys, it is a very good film and has alot of behind the scene stuff that i had never known (Walsh wanted Elway, and was willing to trade Montana to acquire him) It really breaks down the whole 83' class as a whole and really good.
Yeah that show was awesome.... the draft broadcast itself was so small-time, poorly-produced.
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Im not sure if anyone of you have seen the ESPN 30 for 30: Elway to Marino. But it not only highlights those two guys, it is a very good film and has alot of behind the scene stuff that i had never known (Walsh wanted Elway, and was willing to trade Montana to acquire him) It really breaks down the whole 83' class as a whole and really good.
That was only Elway's agent's statement regarding Montana though. Ernie Accorsi said that Walsh had no intentions of trading Montana. And that wouldn't make sense in the first place seeing as Joe was still young and the 49ers had just won the Super Bowl a couple of years back. Montana actually had a good year himself even though the 49ers missed the playoffs. The defense was inconsistent.

I got the feeling that tidbit was exaggerated for the sake of the program, which had a good amount of conflicting information from the people that were interviewed.
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Dan Marino is the best thrower the game has ever seen. What I mean by that is, no one had a more complete package as a thrower as him. He had the fastest release, incredible arm strength, incredible accuracy, he was so tough to blitz bc he got the ball out so damn fast it was unbelievable.

He really was ahead of his time. If he played in today's era he'd shatter records. His legacy is defined by the fact that he never won a SB and bc of that he can never be considered the GOAT. I always wondered how different his legacy would be if he ever won one.

As a pure thrower, he was the best ever. Of course, playing qb is more than that, but man was he awesome.
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The thing about Marino was that, not only was his release literally lightning quick, but pay attention to how quick his feet were. This is the most underrated and most non-talked about aspect of Marino's greatness. Those feet helped him evade the rush many a time.

Furthermore, this guy is one of the most ferocious competitors that have ever stood on the gridiron. I'll never forget watching an older Marino grab Greg Lloyd by his jersey while laying on the ground.

The rules of the game today almost lend itself to 5,000 yard seasons by QB's. But Marino's will always be the best.

I think it was Rod Woodson that said Marino would amass 100,000 yards in today's NFL.
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I think that the story about Walsh wanting Elway seems pretty plausible. Elway would probably be the undisputed GOAT if he had played for those 49er teams and been brought along by Bill Walsh. That system would have been such a great fit for Elway. Plus, it was at a time when Montana had an alleged cocaine addiction.

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I think that the story about Walsh wanting Elway seems pretty plausible. Elway would probably be the undisputed GOAT if he had played for those 49er teams and been brought along by Bill Walsh. That system would have been such a great fit for Elway. Plus, it was at a time when Montana had an alleged cocaine addiction.
I'm sure he kicked the tires in jest, but I doubt he was serious, which is why it didn't happen.

LOL at that bogus cocaine rumor. Tis' the offseason.
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I'm sure he kicked the tires in jest, but I doubt he was serious, which is why it didn't happen.

LOL at that bogus cocaine rumor. Tis' the offseason.
Meh, those cocaine rumors went on for several years. I think that most early-80's coke rumors were probably true, and I don't judge the players negatively. The stigma in 1982 wasn't the same as it is now. Just look at cocaine-era NBA players at the time, with their razor thin builds and bloodshot eyes. It was pretty widespread, but it wasn't as obvious in the games where they wear helmets.

I'm guessing that the SF "trade talks" were just meant to send a message to the franchise QB, similar to the situation in SD at the time.

I feel like Marino's legacy is going to go the same path as Tarkenton's, where they're downgraded just because they couldn't win a championship in a team sport, and I think that's kind of a shame.

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Meh......

I feel like Marino's legacy is going to go the same path as Tarkenton's, where they're downgraded just because they couldn't win a championship in a team sport, and I think that's kind of a shame.
No phucking way he's down the path with Francis Tarkenton.

What Marino did, the records he shattered, that's unprecedented. He's thought of as a top-5 all-time QB by almost everyone who has some history knowledge.

Tark is page 2 or 3.......

Meh.
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Meh, those cocaine rumors went on for several years. I think that most early-80's coke rumors were probably true, and I don't judge the players negatively. The stigma in 1982 wasn't the same as it is now. Just look at cocaine-era NBA players at the time, with their razor thin builds and bloodshot eyes. It was pretty widespread, but it wasn't as obvious in the games where they wear helmets.

I'm guessing that the SF "trade talks" were just meant to send a message to the franchise QB, similar to the situation in SD at the time.

I feel like Marino's legacy is going to go the same path as Tarkenton's, where they're downgraded just because they couldn't win a championship in a team sport, and I think that's kind of a shame.
Yeah, but they were mere speculation. You could literally say that about anyone notable in pop culture in the 1980's. Especially sports. Didn't really mean anything because it was publicized in a magazine.

I'm not sure why Walsh would be sending a message to his quarterback, when he wasn't the reason the 49ers sucked in 1982, and the year before they won the Super Bowl with him. The situation in San Diego was different. Dan Fouts was in the middle of a contract issue.
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I still was blown away in that 30 for 30 segment how close Marino came to becoming a Steeler. Draft rumors about drug use literally changed the destiny of multiple NFL franchises.
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I still was blown away in that 30 for 30 segment how close Marino came to becoming a Steeler. Draft rumors about drug use literally changed the destiny of multiple NFL franchises.
that Ken Obrien pick instead of Marino was the one that blew my mind.

I couldn't for the life of me understand the whole things because Marino was clearly the second best QB behind Elway. There was always the marijuana rumor but even that was never verified. today they'd give the guy the keys to the city if that was his only flaw.
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The USFL didn't doubt Marino. He was their first ever number one overall pick.
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that Ken Obrien pick instead of Marino was the one that blew my mind.

I couldn't for the life of me understand the whole things because Marino was clearly the second best QB behind Elway. There was always the marijuana rumor but even that was never verified. today they'd give the guy the keys to the city if that was his only flaw.
It wasn't a pot rumor that dogged Marino. NFL personnel execs were afraid he was a cokehead.

I think cocaine use was becoming one of those open secret problems creeping into many lockerrooms at the time and teams just didn't do that good a job scouting Marrino they way they should have.

What could have been.
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Ron Wolf said the Raiders made a bad, bad mistake not taking Marino because they all believed all the rumours were true and he wasn't one of the 3 players they considered with the 26th pick. They took a center Don Mosebar with the pick before Miami and won Super Bowl 18 later that year with an old Jim Plunkett at QB and a team featuring Marcus Allen, Howie Long, Ted Hendricks, Mike Haynes and Lester Hayes.

Martin Demoff, the agent for both Marino and Elway, said that if Al Davis had spent his usual amount of time researching the draft instead of inside a court room suing the NFL he's pretty sure he would've taken Marino.

Al Davis also blamed Pete Rozelle for blackballing a potential trade with Chicago that would've given the Raiders the assets they needed to strike a deal with the Colts and select Elway. Colts GM Ernie Accorsi told the Raiders he didn't want to trade down any further than Chicago's 6th pick. The Raiders then engaged in trade talks with the Bears that would've involved sending Howie Long plus another player to Chicago for the 6th pick, which they'd then package with other draft picks for Elway. Accorsi would then take Marino at 6 for the Colts.

In the 30 for 30, Demoff said a deal had been agreed between the Raiders and Chicago but it suddenly vanished after the NFL office contacted the Bears to confirm if the trade was true. When Demoff called the Bears to ask what was happening they told him they was no trade and would no longer engage in talks with the Raiders. Perhaps Davis wasn't so paranoid after all? Ron Wolf certainly blamed Rozelle in the documentary for putting the 'kabosh' on the deal. Said Demoff: ''Al wasn't paranoid regarding this. He was more likely accurate.''

Elway to the Raiders, Marino a Baltimore Colt and Howie Long on the '85 Bears is another fascinating 'What Could've Been.'

I think Marino could throw for 6,000 yds in today's NFL. That equates to 375 yds per game.
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Ron Wolf said the Raiders made a bad, bad mistake not taking Marino because they all believed all the rumours were true and he wasn't one of the 3 players they considered with the 26th pick. They took a center Don Mosebar with the pick before Miami and won Super Bowl 18 later that year with an old Jim Plunkett at QB and a team featuring Marcus Allen, Howie Long, Ted Hendricks, Mike Haynes and Lester Hayes.

Martin Demoff, the agent for both Marino and Elway, said that if Al Davis had spent his usual amount of time researching the draft instead of inside a court room suing the NFL he's pretty sure he would've taken Marino.

Al Davis also blamed Pete Rozelle for blackballing a potential trade with Chicago that would've given the Raiders the assets they needed to strike a deal with the Colts and select Elway. Colts GM Ernie Accorsi told the Raiders he didn't want to trade down any further than Chicago's 6th pick. The Raiders then engaged in trade talks with the Bears that would've involved sending Howie Long plus another player to Chicago for the 6th pick, which they'd then package with other draft picks for Elway. Accorsi would then take Marino at 6 for the Colts.

In the 30 for 30, Demoff said a deal had been agreed between the Raiders and Chicago but it suddenly vanished after the NFL office contacted the Bears to confirm if the trade was true. When Demoff called the Bears to ask what was happening they told him they was no trade and would no longer engage in talks with the Raiders. Perhaps Davis wasn't so paranoid after all? Ron Wolf certainly blamed Rozelle in the documentary for putting the 'kabosh' on the deal. Said Demoff: ''Al wasn't paranoid regarding this. He was more likely accurate.''

Elway to the Raiders, Marino a Baltimore Colt and Howie Long on the '85 Bears is another fascinating 'What Could've Been.'

I think Marino could throw for 6,000 yds in today's NFL. That equates to 375 yds per game.
Oh man. Could you imagine? Rl ways in Silver and Black? No Schroeder, no Wilson, no Marinovich, no George. Elway to Brown for touchdown.

Elway, Allen, Jackson (later). What an offense.
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that Ken Obrien pick instead of Marino was the one that blew my mind.

I couldn't for the life of me understand the whole things because Marino was clearly the second best QB behind Elway. There was always the marijuana rumor but even that was never verified. today they'd give the guy the keys to the city if that was his only flaw.
In my opinion, Elway and Marino were co-number ones in 1983. Accorsi foolishly didn't see it that way, but he should have.

As for the third best QB that year, though, it may not have been Kelly, Eason, or O'Brien, but this guy:

http://www.sbnation.com/longform/201...ie-collier-rg3

Reggie Collier, QB at So. Miss, was 6-4, ran a 4.5 40, and had a big arm. He was the RGIII of 1983 (just like RB Gary Anderson of the Chargers was the Reggie Bush of 1983). He even wore the same number that Griffin wears.
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In my opinion, Elway and Marino were co-number ones in 1983. Accorsi foolishly didn't see it that way, but he should have.

As for the third best QB that year, though, it may not have been Kelly, Eason, or O'Brien, but this guy:

http://www.sbnation.com/longform/201...ie-collier-rg3

Reggie Collier, QB at So. Miss, was 6-4, ran a 4.5 40, and had a big arm. He was the RGIII of 1983 (just like RB Gary Anderson of the Chargers was the Reggie Bush of 1983). He even wore the same number that Griffin wears.


Not trying to come off as a homer.... but it will def. sound that way.

Hind sight is 20 - 20, so looking back you have Elway, Marino, Kelly all HOF qb's that came out of that class. So you can say 1a or 1b...whatever you want.


But just like the 30 for 30 made clear, or anytime you hear about QBs in the draft they are measured up to Elway. He was/is still the best QB to come out, he had a ROCKET arm. BUT WHAT I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE OVERLOOK was his athletic ability because he was white or just heard about his arm... he was the Yankee's 1st pick in the draft that year and he was drafted to play left field...just because he didnt run around ALL THE TIME doesnt/shouldnt take away from his ability to... Ironically enough Andrew Luck another stanford alum posses the same combo, great arm and above athletic ability. (Just to point out Deion Sanders played left field..just saying you have to be athletic to play the position)


But to say Marino should have been 1a or 1b is not giving Elway credit he deserves.


ANOTHER thing is if you want to mention not having talent in Marino's defense as a reason why he never made it to more than 1 SB.... go look at the 1st three times Elway went... HE SINGLE HANDEDLY is the sole reason the Broncos went to the 1st three.

By the time the 1997 and 1998 wins came around we had actually built a team and gave him players to work with... But dont act like he always had great players around him, because the 1st three times the Broncos went to the SB outside of Elway they might have had the least amount of talent to ever make it

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Not trying to come off as a homer.... but it will def. sound that way.

Hind sight is 20 - 20, so looking back you have Elway, Marino, Kelly all HOF qb's that came out of that class. So you can say 1a or 1b...whatever you want.


But just like the 30 for 30 made clear, or anytime you hear about QBs in the draft they are measured up to Elway. He was/is still the best QB to come out, he had a ROCKET arm. BUT WHAT I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE OVERLOOK was his athletic ability because he was white or just heard about his arm... he was the Yankee's 1st pick in the draft that year and he was drafted to play left field...just because he didnt run around ALL THE TIME doesnt/shouldnt take away from his ability to... Ironically enough Andrew Luck another stanford alum posses the same combo, great arm and above athletic ability. (Just to point out Deion Sanders played left field..just saying you have to be athletic to play the position)


But to say Marino should have been 1a or 1b is not giving Elway credit he deserves.


ANOTHER thing is if you want to mention not having talent in Marino's defense as a reason why he never made it to more than 1 SB.... go look at the 1st three times Elway went... HE SINGLE HANDEDLY is the sole reason the Broncos went to the 1st three.

By the time the 1997 and 1998 wins came around we had actually built a team and gave him players to work with... But dont act like he always had great players around him, because the 1st three times the Broncos went to the SB outside of Elway they might have had the least amount of talent to ever make it
Oh, I know. I am a Denver fan as well, and I grew up watching Elway. I am not dissing him at all. I know that the first two teams he led to the Super Bowl weren't that talented, and they shouldn't have been there, especially the 87 team. He was the whole team those two seasons.

However, their 89 team was better than the other two Denver teams that made it to the SB in the 80's. They got rid of Joe Collier, and replaced him with Wade Phillips. They got rid of Mike Harden, drafted Steve Atwater, and promoted CB Tyrone Braxton to starter. Simon Fletcher had his first 10+ sack year. They promoted future Pro Bowl LB Michael Brooks to the starting lineup.

And, they signed two DE's in Plan B, Ron Holmes and Alphonso Carreker, that made good contributions. Holmes had nine sacks that year. That was the best scoring D in the NFL.

Also, they added RB Bobby Humphrey as well, giving Elway his first good feature back behind him.

It was ironic that the 89 Broncos suffered the biggest blowout in the Super Bowl of those three teams, but the zone that SF was in, coupled with the bad vibe that the Broncos felt going into that game, spelled disaster. I remember how some people in Denver didn't want them to go back to the SB that year because they were afraid of losing again.

And, I agree with what you said about Elway's talent. He was the best prospect that year. However, Dan was pretty darn good, too. If he came out a year earlier, he would have been the #1 overall pick, not Kenneth Sims.
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I still was blown away in that 30 for 30 segment how close Marino came to becoming a Steeler. Draft rumors about drug use literally changed the destiny of multiple NFL franchises.
That was probably one of the best football specials I have ever seen, I wasn't expecting it to be so in depth. but even with the rumors, supposedly the Steelers were sure they weren't true but still opted to go elsewhere. He was a hometown kid, even with Terry Bradshaw it's unbelieveable they passed on him knowing the talent that he was.


Then Bradshaw ending his career on the first game of the following season had to sting even more. Scary to think about what his career would have been there instead.
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