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I'm semi shocked by this. He just doesn't seem like they type to get popped for this. On one hand I hate seeing top players miss time, on the other hand the Ravens play them week 1 and I'd much rather face Ayers only.
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Amphetamines and weed.....

What else is new.
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So, over/under that another player fails a test before the preseason?
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i thought i saw that it was MDMA and marijuana, not adderall. then again, that was from a completely random comment i saw somewhere on the internet.
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then again, that was from a completely random comment i saw somewhere on the internet.
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Well at least they still have . Elvis. Dumervillllll ... oops
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so hes on that good kush and alcohol?
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At least weed is legal in Colorado now so I wonder if there will be a thing that makes it like alcohol in those states.
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weed might be legal in colorado, but is still against NFL policy. I wouldnt make a huge deal if all he got popper for was some grass, but what I heard was it was molly, which is a very pure form of MDMA - stuff that basically rots your brain. Dont know if hes guilty or not - hes maintaining innocence for now. But yes very concerning for the guy who is the face of the defense. And losing him for 4 games would hurt - they have a brutal schedule to open the year and could get off to a bad start without him. Either way I still think they win the West. Even with Miller, I have them losing a few games out the gate. But if you look at the schedule, they should win almost every game in the second half - just like they did last year after a so-so start against stiff competition. I think the big concern isnt the 4 games so much as just where Millers head is at. He is one of the great reasons for optimism in Denver, and this certainly is discouraging as far as how focused he is and what his character is.
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which is a very pure form of MDMA - stuff that basically rots your brain.
i really don't want to sound like that guy, but i thought the verdict was still out regarding the long-term negative affects of MDMA, especially that which is supposedly more "pure" (e.g. "molly" as opposed to ecstasy) and thus absent of the allegedly more dangerous potential additives (heroin, cocaine).

i'm certainly not going to argue whether or not it was stupid for him to engage in behavior that would lead to him violating the league's policy and getting suspended, but on the spectrum of things that lead me to question a person's "character", getting caught doing party drugs during the offseason is pretty frivolous. at least he wasn't out getting wasted at a bar and assaulting someone.
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i really don't want to sound like that guy, but i thought the verdict was still out regarding the long-term negative affects of MDMA, especially that which is supposedly more "pure" (e.g. "molly" as opposed to ecstasy) and thus absent of the allegedly more dangerous potential additives (heroin, cocaine).

i'm certainly not going to argue whether or not it was stupid for him to engage in behavior that would lead to him violating the league's policy and getting suspended, but on the spectrum of things that lead me to question a person's "character", getting caught doing party drugs during the offseason is pretty frivolous. at least he wasn't out getting wasted at a bar and assaulting someone.
you might be right...this molly stuff is newer and purer and maybe not as harmful. I remember when I was a teenager and thizz (ecstasy) pills were all the rage and I saw people turn themselves into retards from it. I would expect Molly has some similar sideeffects, but Im not an expert on this I just know the stuff can be pretty serious, and its also a felony to possess it. As far as weed goes, I dont believe it does much of anything to decrease mental abilities, everyone reacts to it somewhat different, in my personal experience some of the smartest and most respoinsible and trustworthy people ive even known smoked all the damn time - however I would say weed can expect motivation - and that aint good for someone who is trying to become one of the best ever.If he is smoking weed, maybe it could contribute to him getting complacent and just being happy with being a goodass player and not strive to be the best. From what I hear, there is a high percentage of pro players in all leagues who smoke weed and get away with it. But the molly is troubling and kinda careless. Nothing too bad is gonna happen to you from smoking weed, a lot of bad **** can happen from the more serious drugs, and its just hard to understand why someone with so much to lose would risk it all.
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weed might be legal in colorado, but is still against NFL policy. I wouldnt make a huge deal if all he got popper for was some grass, but what I heard was it was molly, which is a very pure form of MDMA - stuff that basically rots your brain. Dont know if hes guilty or not - hes maintaining innocence for now. But yes very concerning for the guy who is the face of the defense. And losing him for 4 games would hurt - they have a brutal schedule to open the year and could get off to a bad start without him. Either way I still think they win the West. Even with Miller, I have them losing a few games out the gate. But if you look at the schedule, they should win almost every game in the second half - just like they did last year after a so-so start against stiff competition. I think the big concern isnt the 4 games so much as just where Millers head is at. He is one of the great reasons for optimism in Denver, and this certainly is discouraging as far as how focused he is and what his character is.

That is not true whatsoever, and is straight government propaganda. If your going to read into studies, read into ones that are not primarly funded by government or pharmaceutical companies with an agenda.

http://m.guardiannews.com/society/20...rain-new-study

It is also less harmful on your body, than alcohol tobacco. Yes, people have died from it, more often than not its one of 2 things:

1. Dehydration
2. They got a pill or a bag of molly that was laced with something else.

http://m.guardiannews.com/politics/2...rugsandalcohol

It releases a massive amount serotonin at once, giving you that over Joyed feeling. But no real long term effects to your brain. Its just a hard come down. Its basically an anti depressant on steroids, if you consider what it does exactly to your brain. It doesn't rot your brain, or melt your brain. That's complete bs. My aunt had a super traumatic event in the early 80's, prior to it being made illegal in the mid to late 80's, she was perscribed it by her psych doc. It is wonderful for post traumatic stress disorder. It is a great way to deal and accept with whatever event had happened in the past.

It would be great for soldiers returning from war as well. I am hoping in our lifetime it is legalized, because it is viable for mental health.

As far as the suspension, not a big deal. I don't think this breaks us one way or another. As long as he is healthy and ready to go for the playoffs, I am fine with it. Our offense on paper should be good enough to carry us through 4 games.
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It releases a massive amount serotonin at once, giving you that over Joyed feeling. But no real long term effects to your brain. Its just a hard come down. Its basically an anti depressant on steroids
Contradiction.

If it "releases a massive amount of serotonin at once" and is "a hard come down" and is "basically an anti depressant on steroids"... wouldn't that mean it is likely HIGHLY addictive. EXTREMELY addictive.

If you feel better doing it than you ever did. And when you come off it you feel horrible... wouldn't that mean you're more likely to keep doing it?

And I understand it make not cause "physical" brain issues, but constantly changing the serotonin levels in your brain (both quickly and significantly) can absolutely cause long-term effects.
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Im not sure what to really believe or not to. Ive read that it was was a test in 2011, if this is his first offense then im not sure why he would be given the 4 game suspension, which leads me to think 1) he will get it reduced or 2) we didnt hear about the other failed tests.


But I follow him on Instagram and he is always out in Vegas partying with strippers and whatnot so It doesnt really suprise me that he would have been exposed to "party" drugs.
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Im not sure what to really believe or not to. Ive read that it was was a test in 2011, if this is his first offense then im not sure why he would be given the 4 game suspension, which leads me to think 1) he will get it reduced or 2) we didnt hear about the other failed tests.


But I follow him on Instagram and he is always out in Vegas partying with strippers and whatnot so It doesnt really suprise me that he would have been exposed to "party" drugs.
As far as I know, the first positive test of a banned substance adds a players name to the registry. A suspension doesn't happen until multiple tests have been failed.
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Not going to get into discussions about it here. The info is out there, studies from all over the world. If you want to be informed look them up, if you don't carry on. IIl leave it at that.
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Contradiction.

If it "releases a massive amount of serotonin at once" and is "a hard come down" and is "basically an anti depressant on steroids"... wouldn't that mean it is likely HIGHLY addictive. EXTREMELY addictive.

If you feel better doing it than you ever did. And when you come off it you feel horrible... wouldn't that mean you're more likely to keep doing it?

And I understand it make not cause "physical" brain issues, but constantly changing the serotonin levels in your brain (both quickly and significantly) can absolutely cause long-term effects.
Since each dose depletes serotonin levels by 50-80%, if you were to attempt to keep doing it you would have such rapidly diminishing returns that it soon wouldn't even be worth it. I've never seen anybody develop an addiction to ecstasy. I've seen people use it in consecutive days, but for the heaviest users it'll generally be a once-a-week thing.

That's not necessarily a defense of ecstasy. I hate it because it fuels candy ravers, and I hate candy ravers like Eric Cartman hates hippies.

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Since each dose depletes serotonin levels by 50-80%, if you were to attempt to keep doing it you would have such rapidly diminishing returns that it soon wouldn't even be worth it. I've never seen anybody develop an addiction to ecstasy. I've seen people use it in consecutive days, but for the heaviest users it'll generally be a once-a-week thing.

That's not necessarily a defense of ecstasy. I hate it because it fuels candy ravers, and I hate candy ravers like Eric Cartman hates hippies.
Research suggests marijuana isn't addictive, either.

If something makes you feel amazing when you do it, and crappy when you don't, you're likely to do it habitually.

And I'm not sure I believe the validity of reports that state long-term use of any type of amphetamine won't drastically, and permanently alter brain chemistry.


But I've dragged this off-the-rails enough.


I, personally don't judge a player because of these things. I just tend to not excuse it as not being a big deal.
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If it was molly he got real unlucky. It only last up to 5 days in a piss test from what I gather.
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OK I have no idea what Molly or lean is.
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