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Old 12-05-2013, 11:17 PM    (permalink
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Old 12-05-2013, 11:19 PM    (permalink
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DAMNIT! I forgot to check the poll box....

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If I were the Texans GM, I trade the pick for a boatload of picks and take a QB with my new first pick, then start addressing needs.

But I think the Texans take a QB. The one thing Clowney isn't the best fit for is a 3-4. Where do you play him in that defense? You really draft Clowney to be a 3-4 OLB? Or a 3-4 DE? When you have two really good 3-4 DEs and two really good 3-4 OLBs? I don't see it.

They obviously don't see Keenum as the answer, so draft a QB. By far their most glaring need.
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If I were the Texans GM, I trade the pick for a boatload of picks and take a QB with my new first pick, then start addressing needs.

But I think the Texans take a QB. The one thing Clowney isn't the best fit for is a 3-4. Where do you play him in that defense? You really draft Clowney to be a 3-4 OLB? Or a 3-4 DE? When you have two really good 3-4 DEs and two really good 3-4 OLBs? I don't see it.

They obviously don't see Keenum as the answer, so draft a QB. By far their most glaring need.
Scheme versatility is key in the NFL, Clowney is athletic enough to play 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB. Brooks Reed is an average starting OLB thus far in his career.

It's tough to pass up a game changer on the defensive side of the ball. It'd be tough for me to pass on Clowney because I am not the fan of Bridgewater that most are.

The opportunity to put Clowney and JJ Watt on the same defense would be too much for me to resist.
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If I were the Texans GM, I trade the pick for a boatload of picks and take a QB with my new first pick, then start addressing needs.

But I think the Texans take a QB. The one thing Clowney isn't the best fit for is a 3-4. Where do you play him in that defense? You really draft Clowney to be a 3-4 OLB? Or a 3-4 DE? When you have two really good 3-4 DEs and two really good 3-4 OLBs? I don't see it.

They obviously don't see Keenum as the answer, so draft a QB. By far their most glaring need.
I understand that he's played in a 4-3 and has the prototype size and skill for a 4-3, but he is so gifted he can play any position. Think about LT - they created a new position for him.

Is Phillips even definitely staying? Kubiak's gone so I wonder what will happen there.

Watt and Clowney are both so gifted they can play anywhere.
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I know you can never pass on a franchise QB, but the possibility of having Clowney and Watt on the same defense would be so hard for me to pass on. Brooks Reed would be entering the final year of his deal. Having Watt up front with Mercilus and Clowney behind him would be amazing.

Although, if you're going to pass on a QB you could argue that RT is this team's biggest need and Jake Matthews would be a quality first overall pick.
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I know you can never pass on a franchise QB, but the possibility of having Clowney and Watt on the same defense would be so hard for me to pass on. Brooks Reed would be entering the final year of his deal. Having Watt up front with Mercilus and Clowney behind him would be amazing.

Although, if you're going to pass on a QB you could argue that RT is this team's biggest need and Jake Matthews would be a quality first overall pick.
I like Jake Mathews but would weep for Texan fans if they passed on Teddy, Johnny, or Clowney for a tackle.
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Aside from the idealistic "trade down a few spots for more picks" pipe dream, they should just take Bridgewater. They should be thrilled to already have Keenum locked in as a nice backup for a few years, but he's no reason to pass on a real starter. It has to be Bridgewater if they have the first pick. Anything else is delusional, unless they're going to take Clowney and then pull a Dan Snyder to somehow get back into the first for Manziel. I do think they're a deep enough (and young enough) team that they could afford to try and swing some big moves to get the players they really want. The team doesn't exactly need a total overhaul, it's just obvious that Matt Schaub held them back this year. Gotta get that QB. Clowney's just barely enough of a freak to pass on a quarterback the first time around, but they've got to get someone they believe in. Otherwise they're just torturing their fans.
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Clowney would be a better 3-4 OLB than a 4-3 DE. Calling it now.
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This is a QB driven league and this team is a year removed from being a top AFC team. Bridgewater has to be the pick, has the weapons on offense to succeed with Foster coming back next season and a very solid defense. The whole fantasy of Watt and Clowney is nice and all but Keenum/Schaub aren't going to get the job done against Andrew Luck twice a season.
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Bridgewater. Don't think it's much of a contest really.
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I think it's way more fantasy to believe that a rookie QB is going to step into that offensive situation and out duel Andrew Luck with a defense that's been below average without the injury-riddled Cushing.

Clowney's way more of a *gulp* sure thing. He's going to step in from day one and be a monster. With hall of fame potential.
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I think it's way more fantasy to believe that a rookie QB is going to step into that offensive situation and out duel Andrew Luck with a defense that's been below average without the injury-riddled Cushing.
Houston's defense has been pretty solid this year. They are #3 in total yards and #2 against the pass. Their biggest problem has been in the TO ratio which they are -14 which is 31st in the league.
IMO, adding Clowney wouldnt make them a playoff team. IDk if Bridgewater does make them a playoff team either. But QB play is essential in the NFL and they dont have that right now so I dont see them passing on a Bridgewater. The only way they dont go Teddy or whoever is the #1 QB with the first pick is if there is another QB they like that they can land with their 2nd pick.
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Fans are so clueless....

Take a break from your Clowney jock sniffing and look at the Texans. They've already spent a #1 overall pick on a D-lineman. How'd that work out? They currently have the best D-lineman in football, and they just got swept by the ******* Jags. THE JAGS! They should either take a QB or try desperately to trade down if they don't like any of the QBs available. You can't win in the NFL if you can't score. It's an offensive league.
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Fans are so clueless....

Take a break from your Clowney jock sniffing and look at the Texans. They've already spent a #1 overall pick on a D-lineman. How'd that work out?
Much better than if they had taken either of the top two rated quarterbacks.
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Much better than if they had taken either of the top two rated quarterbacks.
Bridgewater is waaaay better than either Vince Young or Matt Leinart was. Vince Young was this wildcard-sort of pick who nobody really knew how to quantify and while Leinart had his fans (Arizona apparently among them), there was a large faction that really didn't buy into him. There really tough to find people who don't like Teddy Bridgewater. He's got good size, good technique, good athleticism, good pocket presence and decision-making, a good arm, and good accuracy. He's just good. He's got no glaring weaknesses and high athleticism, and he comes off as a hard worker and tough player. Neither Vince Young nor Matt Leinart could check off all the boxes like that. At this point, the only real negative statements about Bridgewater are warnings not to let the recent success of some rookies create unreasonable expectations for him. It's just people saying, "Well, he's not as good a prospect as Andrew Luck!" and it's kind of meaningless. He grades incredibly well, and the Texans need a quarterback.
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Fans are so clueless....

Take a break from your Clowney jock sniffing and look at the Texans. They've already spent a #1 overall pick on a D-lineman. How'd that work out? They currently have the best D-lineman in football, and they just got swept by the ******* Jags. THE JAGS! They should either take a QB or try desperately to trade down if they don't like any of the QBs available. You can't win in the NFL if you can't score. It's an offensive league.
Yes and last year they had the best D lineman in football and made the playoffs. The year before they had the best D lineman in football and were maybe the best team up until the playoffs.

See, and I know this is a weird thing to say, but one player does not make a team. And let's not make it out like they only have one pick.

If they don't like Bridgewater then don't pick him simply because he is the top QB. The Texans likely aren't going to win the Superbowl next year. Their mission now is to build the best team they can. If that means Clowney then so be it.

And yes, they have the best D lineman in football, but if Clowney is as advertised and they pick him they may well have the best front 7 in my memory and that's without having great LBs outside of Cushing.

Wouldn't be out of this world to imagine it, but what if they took Clowney at #1 and then Ryan Shazier at #33. That is just ridiculous what they could do and would maybe mask some issues in the secondary
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Yes and last year they had the best D lineman in football and made the playoffs. The year before they had the best D lineman in football and were maybe the best team up until the playoffs.
They had solid QB play last year. When they got to the Playoffs, they got 41 points hung on them by a team with a better QB.
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I think it's way more fantasy to believe that a rookie QB is going to step into that offensive situation and out duel Andrew Luck with a defense that's been below average without the injury-riddled Cushing.

Clowney's way more of a *gulp* sure thing. He's going to step in from day one and be a monster. With hall of fame potential.
I think it's way more of a "fantasy" that fans want to see Watt and Clowney together than the likelihood of if it actually happening. QB is still king when it comes to importance of positions in the NFL. The new coach isn't going to come in and roll with Schaub and Keenum driving their offense.

Foster is done. Andre, still talented as he is, is old. You need a QB to lead your team into the future. That will be the pick, IMO.
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Foster is done .
Is Foster really done? He's only going to be 28 next season, doesn't have that much tread on his tires, and Gronk came back pretty strong from a similar back surgery this season.

I wouldn't close the book on Foster yet.
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They have to take Bridgewater. And when did everyone else jump on the Bortles bandwagon?
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They have to take Bridgewater. And when did everyone else jump on the Bortles bandwagon?
I've been on it for awhile. Ideal size, some mobility, makes all the throws and has a good looking girlfriend. Got it pretty much all covered.
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I've been on it for awhile. Ideal size, some mobility, makes all the throws and has a good looking girlfriend. Got it pretty much all covered.
He was in my top 5 rated QBs in the preseason, thought I was cool because no one else even had him in their top 10. Now I don't feel so special lol
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Bridgewater is the pick for sure. They need a QB and Bridgewater looks like he checks out.
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I'm guessing Bridgewater will be the pick. Should get the fans excited.
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