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Teddy Bridgewater's draft stock is falling, and there's no good reason why

By Eric Adelson April 27, 2014 9:41 PM Yahoo Sports


NFL draft experts like to talk about "measurables" at this time of here. So here's one:

Four.

That's the number of interceptions thrown in the entire 2013 season by Teddy Bridgewater. Four interceptions against 31 touchdowns. A year ago, that kind of season would have only reinforced the widely held belief that Bridgewater was a top-two pick in the 2014 draft.

Instead, he's plummeting.

Mike Mayock of NFL Network said this weekend he would not take Bridgewater in the first round; Mayock was formerly very high on the former Louisville star.

Mayock's not alone. The consensus on Bridgewater has veered from highly coveted to highly criticized in the months since he threw for three touchdowns and 447 yards in the Russell Athletic Bowl against Miami. The change in regard for Bridgewater is getting beyond the realm of the curious. It's more in the neighborhood of ridiculous.

NFL cognoscenti seem to flock together: It's a copycat league. Strangely, though, there's little copying of what works among quarterbacks at the pro level. Football minds keep gravitating to the quarterbacks who show unrefined physical prowess over those who have a clear track record on the field. You'd think GMs would learn their lesson after watching Tom Brady and Drew Brees win Super Bowls. Instead, the chase seems to be on for the next Jeff George. Only a month or so after Bridgewater finished his college career, Russell Wilson won the Super Bowl with the Seahawks. Wilson also had four interceptions in his final college season at Wisconsin, against 33 touchdowns. His completion percentage (72.8) was also comparable to Bridgewater's (71.0). Wilson went in the third round, and most thought he would be a first-round pick if he were just a little bit taller. Bridgewater is just a little bit taller: 6-foot-2 to Wilson's 5-11. Is it a second chance to draft a seasoned passer like Wilson?

Or is it a second chance to whiff? Bridgewater is drifting in credibility while former Pitt quarterback Tom Savage, who transferred twice and never got close to the statistical display shown consistently by Bridgewater, is perhaps the hottest name in the draft. Savage is 6-5 with a big arm, and he reminds scouts of Nick Foles, who switched his commitment from Arizona State to Michigan State and then left East Lansing for Arizona. So transferring is now a good sign?

What's even sillier about all this is Bridgewater had lots of decision-making responsibility at the line of scrimmage at Louisville. He took over as starter at age 18 and threw for nearly 10,000 yards over three seasons. His interception count dropped from 12 in his first year to 8 to 4. His intelligence and work ethic have never been questioned, and any concerns about his ability to beat top teams vanished more than a year ago, when Bridgewater dissected a Florida defense considered one of the best in the nation – led by coordinator Dan Quinn, who would leave after that Sugar Bowl for the Seahawks and a Super Bowl title. Savage's only comparable game came in 2013 when he took on title-bound Florida State and threw for 201 yards and two interceptions.

So what happened to Bridgewater? For one thing, he had a poor pro day. He took off his throwing gloves for the occasion – a decision that a good agent would have talked him out of – and he looked wobbly. For many draft experts, it was the first live look at Bridgewater, and it didn't go well. How that one day in an artificial football laboratory undoes three full years of actual play is hard to figure.

But that's what's happened. Experts like Mayock have looked back at the game film and found new flaws in Bridgewater: his deep balls aren't as crisp; his outside-the-hashes targets aren't as accurate. Why that didn't result in more than four interceptions last season is anyone's guess. Perhaps American Athletic Conference defenses are simply inferior. Though that hasn't hurt UCF's Blake Bortles' draft stock much.

The other worry about Bridgewater is his size. Not his height, but his heft. According to his NFL.com combine profile, Bridgewater is 214 pounds and has a "very lean, narrow frame with limited bulk." In fact, a major chunk of the "weaknesses" section of that report has to do with Bridgewater's thickness. "Long term durability could become a concern," it says, "without continued strength and weight gains."

Well, about that: Bridgewater needed jaw surgery during college and dropped from 222 pounds to 196. He's put most of that weight back on, and he's likely to add even more bulk once he gets into a nutrition program with his new team. He's only 21, and likely to get bigger as he matures. Bortles, by the way, is a year older than Bridgewater and Savage is nearly three. It's hard to argue their potential is greater than
Bridgewater's just because they have less starting experience.

And as for durability, just revisit the November night in 2012 when Louisville traveled to Rutgers with a BCS bid in the balance. Bridgewater didn't start, as he had a broken wrist and a badly sprained ankle. But he asked to go into the game when the Cardinals fell behind, and promptly rallied them from 11 points down to win. Rutgers coach Kyle Flood called it one of the greatest college performances he's ever seen.

It's easy to wonder if racism is in play here. Alex Smith's draft preview reads almost exactly like Bridgewater's and he went first overall. Now he's a veteran starter for a playoff team. But instead of something nefarious, Bridgewater's fall is more likely because draft experts gravitate to big: big arms, big bodies and big personalities. Statistics and winning are easily dismissed as products of a system. Just ask former Cal standout Aaron Rodgers.

Bridgewater isn't a big talker – there wasn't even a Heisman campaign for him – so he's not going to pump his own tires. That might be hurting him too, especially compared to the always-entertaining Johnny Manziel, who had a former U.S. president at his pro day.

But if you want an egoless, driven, smart and proven quarterback to lead your wayward franchise, you could do worse than to part with the growing majority of the draft experts and pick Teddy Bridgewater.

The consequences for those who pass on him will certainly be "measurable."

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Quarterbacks fall every year, we all know that. This guy is looking for attention and he will probably get it.
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I don't agree with Bridgewater's fall but this is just dumb.

Cam went #1 in 2011.
RG3 went #2 in 2012.
The top 2 QBs drafted last year were black.

Clearly people are still racist towards black QBs.......
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I don't agree with Bridgewater's fall but this is just dumb.

Cam went #1 in 2011.
RG3 went #2 in 2012.
The top 2 QBs drafted last year were black.

Clearly people are still racist towards black QBs.......
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No one even insinuated that he fall had anything to do with race
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No one even insinuated that he fall had anything to do with race
Oh it always does if it's negative towards any black QB.
Ask Warren Moon.

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But while the NFL has made some progress on that front, Moon doesn’t think that progress has been sufficient: Moon told USA Today that he believes black quarterbacks are still held back by evaluators who view them unfairly.

Specifically, Moon noted that West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith was the subject of a scathing assessment that in Moon’s opinion crossed the line

“It sounds the same as two years ago,” Moon said. “It just shows that there are a lot of people in society who have the biases and stereotypes. And most of it is about your integrity or leadership or work ethic — all of these intangible things.”
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Geno Smith will likely be the first QB taken tomorrow. E.J. Manuel might be a first rounder too.
Cam Newton was taken 1st a few years ago. RG3 picked #2 last year.
Please stop playing the race card.
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Moon told CBSSports.com that he is upset by depiction of Newton, the defending Heisman Trophy winner from Auburn, as being somehow unfit to run an NFL offense.

"A lot of the criticism he's receiving is unfortunate and racially based," Moon told CBS Sports. "I thought we were all past this. I don't see other quarterbacks in the draft being criticized by the media or fans about their smile or called a phony.

"He's being held to different standards from white quarterbacks. I thought we were past all this stuff about African-American quarterbacks, but I guess we're not."

Newton is projected as a likely first-round pick, and perhaps the first overall pick in the draft
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I am not black so I would be remiss to attempt to answer on those charges

Warren Moon is black so he may have his reasons whether we find them credible or not.

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I don't agree with Bridgewater's fall but this is just dumb.

Cam went #1 in 2011.
RG3 went #2 in 2012.
The top 2 QBs drafted last year were black.

Clearly people are still racist towards black QBs.......
Yeah the race card is hogwash. Bridgewater falling is a mix of prospect fatigue and just not being a "franchise QB" prospect. Not that Bortles or Manziel are better, but Bortles has more going for him in that regard.

Really, the best and most franchise-type QB in this draft is Mettenberger, but he's hurt. A healthy Mettenberger is the clear-cut #1 overall pick in this draft, and it's not even close.
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You (the OP) should be banned for the sensationalist headlines and the complete misconstruing of the truth

He never said that he was dropping because of race
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You (the OP) should be banned for the sensationalist headlines and the complete misconstruing of the truth

He never said that he was dropping because of race
The columnist plainly and recklessly played the race card to try to explain Bridgewater falling out of favor in recent weeks. Does anyone seriously believe Mayock is a racist?
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The columnist plainly and recklessly played the race card to try to explain Bridgewater falling out of favor in recent weeks. Does anyone seriously believe Mayock is a racist?
No he didn't, you must have gotten low marks on your SATs

He is saying that its to infer racial undertones however he goes on to provide info that says thats not the case

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No he didn't, you must have gotten low marks on your SATs

He is saying that its to infer racial undertones however he goes on to provide info that says thats not the case

Actually after reading it more carefully I see that you are right. Well not about banning anyone, but about the author's arguement not being centered around race. I don't think he needed to bring race into it at all, though.
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No he didn't, you must have gotten low marks on your SATs

He is saying that its to infer racial undertones however he goes on to provide info that says thats not the case

If he truly believes that race is not a factor, why bring it up at all?
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If he truly believes that race is not a factor, why bring it up at all?
Its called thinking with perspective
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You (the OP) should be banned for the sensationalist headlines and the complete misconstruing of the truth

He never said that he was dropping because of race
Guy even bolded the part where the author brought up race. Not sure about sensationalizing anything.
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Id still be stoked with Bridgewater at 8. The fall is inconceivable.
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Terrible article, Jesus
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Wow terrible article - grasping at straws. Geno Smith was a supposed top pick last year by all the so called experts and draftniks and he fell to the 2nd round, when he was on the field we saw why he fell. EJ Manuel was drafted ahead of Smith last year because the Bills saw a big strong passer with a better upside. Basically these teams have there reasons why they project certain players, they look for a skillset that transfers to the next level to go along with their production. This guy's argument places way to much emphasis on college production.

After teams have had an up close view of Bridgewater's ability it appears some teams have found flaws in his game. It is the same reason Savage is rising with some teams apparently, they like his skill set as it translates to the next level.

Who the **** is Eric Adelson? How did he get a job writing about the draft? Are they hiring anyone to churn out ****? If so, are they hiring because I can write better stuff than this.
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Wow terrible article - grasping at straws. Geno Smith was a supposed top pick last year by all the so called experts and draftniks and he fell to the 2nd round, when he was on the field we saw why he fell. EJ Manuel was drafted ahead of Smith last year because the Bills saw a big strong passer with a better upside. Basically these teams have there reasons why they project certain players, they look for a skillset that transfers to the next level to go along with their production. This guy's argument places way to much emphasis on college production.

After teams have had an up close view of Bridgewater's ability it appears some teams have found flaws in his game. It is the same reason Savage is rising with some teams apparently, they like his skill set as it translates to the next level.

Who the **** is Eric Adelson? How did he get a job writing about the draft? Are they hiring anyone to churn out ****? If so, are they hiring because I can write better stuff than this.
Stop posting and get an education
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Just stop. We don't need your constant inuendo how the whole world is ganging up on the black QB. Gve it a ******* rest junior.
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Just stop. We don't need your constant inuendo how the whole world is ganging up on the black QB. Gve it a ******* rest junior.
If thats how you took it your a moron

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If thats how you took it your a moron

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*you're. Trying learning how to write correctly before you decide to attack people. I'd love to ignore you but I can't ignore stupid people.
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Just stop. We don't need your constant inuendo how the whole world is ganging up on the black QB. Gve it a ******* rest junior.
You outta have the taste slapped out of your mouth to think I was insinuating anything dealing with race

Get rid of that Fox News victim complex you have going on there

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Before Bridgewater's pro day, he was my 2nd ranked QB; today, he's my 2nd ranked QB.

But I did drop him out of the top 10 overall.

Bridgewater has some top-shelf attributes and some areas of concern. His pro day highlighted some of those concerns - arm strength, down-field accuracy.

But his rare traits - instincts, understanding of the game, etc. - are more difficult to find than prototypical size and/or arm strength.
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