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Old 04-13-2008, 07:36 PM    (permalink
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It'll be interesting how the 2nd tier Qb's shake out. A lot of people are saying that Flacco is the apple of 3-4 teams eyes, and someone might deal up mid-late first to draft him. Of course, it could just be rhetoric.

If KC decides to take a QB in the first 2 rounds, then we stand a good chance of missing out on the top 4 QB's.
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I still like Erik Ainge in round 4. Ainge would be a good fit and does everything well. He would sit for a year most likely 2, but I think he can be good.
1. Ryan Clady OT - trade our late 3rd with buffalo at #11.
2. Malcolm Kelly WR
3. Matt Forte RB
4. Erik Ainge QB
I'd be real happy with that.
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It'll be interesting how the 2nd tier Qb's shake out. A lot of people are saying that Flacco is the apple of 3-4 teams eyes, and someone might deal up mid-late first to draft him. Of course, it could just be rhetoric.

If KC decides to take a QB in the first 2 rounds, then we stand a good chance of missing out on the top 4 QB's.


unless its ryan in 1, which i think is doubtful, i just don't but them going QB early for several reasons

a.) would a 2nd round rookie QB really be an upgrade over croyle now? or for that matter, any time that herm or king carl would be around to enjoy him? if croyle doesnt pan out, that team could be looking at some big changes in its leadership by failing to win....just an idea....

b.) they have a lot of needs and a lot of holes to fill. in this draft alone, they could really use at least 2 new o-lineman capable of starting, 2 new WRs with at least one of them capable of making an impact, and a good young CB. all things they could get with their first 2 picks...

so i just don't but them going QB unless its ryan in 1, which, like i said, i find doubtful
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unless its ryan in 1, which i think is doubtful, i just don't but them going QB early for several reasons

a.) would a 2nd round rookie QB really be an upgrade over croyle now? or for that matter, any time that herm or king carl would be around to enjoy him? if croyle doesnt pan out, that team could be looking at some big changes in its leadership by failing to win....just an idea....

b.) they have a lot of needs and a lot of holes to fill. in this draft alone, they could really use at least 2 new o-lineman capable of starting, 2 new WRs with at least one of them capable of making an impact, and a good young CB. all things they could get with their first 2 picks...

so i just don't but them going QB unless its ryan in 1, which, like i said, i find doubtful

only 1 new WR but you're generally right. We have similar needs and ppl keep telling us we're gonna pick a QB as well. So im not quite understanding where you're going with this.

We need 2 Linemen, 1 WR capable of making an impact, and a good young RB.
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There's two different argument veins for the Chiefs and QB.

If Ryan - too hard to pass up on a franchise QB, it buys the leadership time.

If a 2nd round QB - it protects them against Croyle struggling, it buys them a little bit of time, the draft is deep enough at CB and WR to wait a bit, assuming they address OL in round 1.

On a side note, I'd still watch if Baltimore makes a jump up for Ryan. There's mixed signals on that. Some suggest that they really like Ryan and would consider it. Others suggest that they like Ryan, but they also like Flacco, so they may be willing to stay put and see what happens.
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only 1 new WR but you're generally right. We have similar needs and ppl keep telling us we're gonna pick a QB as well. So im not quite understanding where you're going with this.

We need 2 Linemen, 1 WR capable of making an impact, and a good young RB.
they have bowe and ???. literally ????. no one of worth. we at least have a few bits and pieces and lots of potential. they dont even have that much outside of bowe.

also, we are in a great position in round 1 to fill one of our o-line needs. if jake long is gone for their pick, they either have to fill a lesser need like DT or reach for one of the other OTs. if they go the DT route, then they still have all the needs along the o-line and secondary and WR. so i doubt they go QB in 2 in that situation.

as for us, we dont need NEED need a WR capable of making an impact, but another body mid rounds would be real nice for the future. a young RB yes, but there are plenty of workable guys available mid rounds there too. as for RT, that is the spot i think we need to fill in round 1. whether we take a LT and move tait or draft a RT, we need that filled. the LG spot....eh....we could play around with that one a little more, draft someone mid rounds tehre for the future at the very least.

now im in no way advocating QB...in fact, if hes not named brohm or flacco and available at 44, i want NOTHING to do with him. id rather hold off entirely until the later rounds if need be.

my point was just that another QB would be a luxury for the chiefs and they have too many needs elsewhere. unless they feel that they just can't pass on ryan, croyle has to be their man. a 2nd round QB isnt going to do much to help them next year anyway. as i alluded to earlier, if they struggle, herm/peterson might not be around to get to enjoy that new QB...they have to believe in croyle IMO
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The Chiefs also have Jeff Webb, who they were pretty high on. He showed improvement last year.

I think the Chiefs need one new OT. If they get one guy, they can get an interior lineman later on and have an okay OL. 2 pieces would be nice, but really, the OL talent runs thin early round 2, and after that, you might as well wait a bit if the target is interior OL.

I'm not advocating the Chiefs going OT, but let's say they go

1. LT - So they reach a bit. I think the next OT value will rate somewhere in the top 10, so it's not a big reach. For debate's sake, let's go with Jeff Otah, who has risen post workout by many accounts.
2. QB - Let's say Brohm for the heck of it.
3. CB - Let's say a Chevis Jackson, who could fit real well for them. There's other options.
4. OL - Let's say Kirk Barton.
5. Interior OL - Let's say Mike McGlynn, giving them another physical presence, moving Waters to center.
5. WR - With Chan Gailey there, do they go a bigger target that fits him or a shiftier guy that fits need. Let's lean to the latter, and for the heck of it, go with say, Darius Reynaud here as a slot option.
6. CB - Let's go another CB here with, say, Jonathan Zenon for the heck of it.
6. DT - Josh Thompson.
7. FB - Carl Stewart.
7. TE - Let's go with Drew Atchison.

What's the point of this? Nothing really, other than to say that I think they can have a good draft while taking a QB early. I think I have the above values fairly slotted. Adding Otah/Barton/McGlynn would give them quality OL depth. They've got other guys to challenge, like an Alabi or a Leffew. Carl Stewart could challenge Hoyte for the FB job, and Atchison gives them a raw TE to mold. Reynaud could give them a slot WR to go with Bowe and Webb. Jackson and Zenon could address the secondary. About the only thing not addressed would be DL, but they did draft Tyler and McBride last year.
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you know, you say that....but i honestly think herm and carl need get out of the funk they fell in last year and drafting a guy who sits on the bench the whole time doesnt do that....its part of why i dont think carolina takes a QB early either

sure you could probably say something similar about us but i dont think our guys jobs are on the line this year barring something spectacularly awful...

i dont even know why im arguing still...i wouldnt mind bypassing QB at all this year. i just then have everyone shove down my throat how bad theyll be next year but in my eyes, its hard to be worse that ryan or henne
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I just dont see Brohm falling to us. Atlanta needs a QB, Miami might think Brohm is better than Beck. KC could take him. There are other teams that would probably trade up for him. If we sit at 14 in the second, I dont see us getting Brohm, Flacco maybe, but IMO definately not Brohm.
i think he wanted to trade up with Miami giving them our 3rd rounder and our second
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TRADE UP: Gosder Cherilus
3th Round: Would prolly be a late one, maybe Flacco or Woodson if they drop, maybe Caldwell or Kelly
Now this is ideal. Excellent thinking.

Think about how this immediately fixes the run game. Mendenhall along with a mauler like Cherilus? Just WOW

Then go BPA WR and DT with the next 2 picks, try for another guard prospect in the 4th round, and I'd say the Bears did a great job addressing the needs for '08. Although I like Flacco ( a lot), I think QB can wait, so unless the Bears want to mortgage their '09 first, I don't prefer they use a draft pick on a QB before round 5.
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well we would only have 1 pick left in the 3rd if we would trade up for Gosder
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aye, cherilus would be a good RT for many years if we traded back up for him. but i think id still rather use the extra 3rd to trade with buffalo and get a LT of our choice....

a spot thats a little more important plus we can always shove tait back into RT.

but thats a scenario i wouldnt be too upset wtih
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I really don't see any scenario where Mendenhall should be the pick in the 1st.
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Anybody here read the latest OL rankings from Kirwan, and the latest draft board from PFW? Seems like Gosder Cherilus's stock is skyrocketing, jumping ahead of Chris Williams. I also like Otah's potential since he's 2 years younger than both Albert and Cherilus, and 1 year younger than Williams.
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Anybody here read the latest OL rankings from Kirwan, and the latest draft board from PFW? Seems like Gosder Cherilus's stock is skyrocketing, jumping ahead of Chris Williams. I also like Otah's potential since he's 2 years younger than both Albert and Cherilus, and 1 year younger than Williams.
chris williams LT > gosder RT, Otah RT

perhaps just opinion but RT only guys can be found more easily later in the draft typically....
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Flacco is the hot name right now in terms of QB's from what I've read. And a lot of people think Atlanta is looking hard at him which would mean that Brohm falls. Now the question is if Carolina jumps at him.

Idk, none of these QB's "wow" me. I like Flacco, Henne, and Brohm but will any of these three be our QB down the line? That's questionable. Right now I feel we have bigger areas to address than QB but I wouldn't be upset if we went that route on the first day.
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KC is pretty set with Croyle from what I've heard, willing to give him a chance and Miami has a bunch of other needs as well.
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I would much rather have Chris Williams over Otah, Gosder and probably Albert . Albert is a better OG than the other 2 are tackles and Gosder is a better RT, than Williams is a LT. I'd still take Williams cause we would be upgrading 2 positions over the next few years and when Tait becomes unservicable we can find a RT a lot easier than a LT.
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Flacco is the hot name right now in terms of QB's from what I've read. And a lot of people think Atlanta is looking hard at him which would mean that Brohm falls. Now the question is if Carolina jumps at him.

Idk, none of these QB's "wow" me. I like Flacco, Henne, and Brohm but will any of these three be our QB down the line? That's questionable. Right now I feel we have bigger areas to address than QB but I wouldn't be upset if we went that route on the first day.
I don't see us moving back up via trade up to grab a QB with our 2nd. I highly doubt that Flacco will be around. I would prefer Brohm. He has very good accuracy and is a good decision maker which is what we've been lacking. If Brohm is there at #44 I assume he will be bpa and would have to be the pick imo.
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I don't see us moving back up via trade up to grab a QB with our 2nd. I highly doubt that Flacco will be around. I would prefer Brohm. He has very good accuracy and is a good decision maker which is what we've been lacking. If Brohm is there at #44 I assume he will be bpa and would have to be the pick imo.
oh if he or flacco were to be there at 44 i think wed jump like it was nothing....theyd be bears at that point.

or at least id strongly hope taht they would be...
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oh if he or flacco were to be there at 44 i think wed jump like it was nothing....theyd be bears at that point.

or at least id strongly hope taht they would be...
I don't love either of these QB but I think we have to go QB and they are both great value there. I think Brohm would be a stud in our system.
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definetly agree on jonathon joseph he's the best RB in this draft and he's exactly what we need we shud get OL help in later rounds and in FA
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definetly agree on jonathon joseph he's the best RB in this draft and he's exactly what we need we shud get OL help in later rounds and in FA
im not sure if your badly confused, have the wrong thread, or both.....

so ill ask....what?
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im not sure if your badly confused, have the wrong thread, or both.....

so ill ask....what?
I think he means Jonathan Stewart.
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