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Old 05-07-2008, 04:24 PM    (permalink
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Its Packers
Bears migth have the better nickel but if I'm building a team
1) Al Hariss
2) Woodson
3) Vasher
4) Tillman

Harris and Woodson are 1 and 2, so they have the best. The others are both very good though.
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If im building a Cover 2 team:
1) Vasher
2) Tillman
3) Al harris
4) Woodson

so it really depends on ur system...
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in a general system i'd take Al Harris and Charles Woodson
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in a general system i'd take Al Harris and Charles Woodson
well said, thats the key point. And who voted for Detroit??
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Yeah I think man corners are more valuable than Cover 2 corners. So if I were building a team, I would use man corners.

And I think Harris and Woodson could be very good Cover 2 corners. They are both physical enough.
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how do u know how Tillman and Vasher play M2M...im just wondering, cause i dont know
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If im building a Cover 2 team:
1) Vasher
2) Tillman
3) Al harris
4) Woodson

so it really depends on ur system...
But if Woodson and Harris had experience in a cover 2 there's no reason to think they wouldn't excel. Cover 2 is a dumbed down, physical corner system and Woodson and Harris both have assets that strongly suit it. At worst it's hard to say they wouldn't be at least solid.

Conversely, Tillman would likely get humiliated in a man-system such as GB uses and the worst case scenario is complete bust. Vasher is kind of undersized but he had the potential for being a man guy coming out so I can't say he definitely wouldn't do well.

Renji, Tillman was viewed as only having potential as a zone corner or safety in the pros and hasn't done anything to rid himself of that.
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how do u know how Tillman and Vasher play M2M...im just wondering, cause i dont know
I think Tillman and Vasher could play man too. They have good ball skill sets but lack the elite speed. Just not as well as Harris/Woodson at man which is proven very good. And I know Harris/Woodson are physical. Them playing Cover 2 is just a hunch based on their physicalness and the fact less talented corners usually fit into a Cover 2. Heck Dre Bly didnt' fit but because of his cover skills he was still better than any Cover 2 corner we had on our team last year. And I think man corners are more valuable because man skills are tougher to find (a reason we picked up Bodden, good physicalness and good man cover skills). Therefore, I value Harris/Woodson more.
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we played more man than tampa 2 when Vasher went down afair. its not like Tillman only plays zone. And ur really telling me that if a corner is better in m2m he can play Tampa 2 defense? gtfo
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we played more man than tampa 2 when Vasher went down afair. its not like Tillman only plays zone. And ur really telling me that if a corner is better in m2m he can play Tampa 2 defense? gtfo
Well, did Tillman have a good year. The 27th pass ranking may be deceiving.

I saw it first hand with Dre Bly. He was a man corner and played Cover 2 better than any Cover 2 fitting corner we had and Dre Bly isn't very physical. Harris and Woodson are physical so that makes me belive they could play Cover 2 fairly well if Bly did it without being physical.
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i wasnt talking about u but to sportsfan. Im almost positive that a good Tampa 2 player wont be automatically a good M2M corner (its tampa 2 btw, cover 2 is a play ;)) But to say Harris and Woodson will have no problems and its easy than its just really biased. There are alot of players who are good in M2M and not so good in zone coverage and vice versa. I see ur point, but i just dont see why the gap should be that big. For me its 1a and 1b and not 1 and 2.
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Harris would probably be the worst Tampa 2 CB of the bunch due to poor ball skills. Woodson i think would be as good of a Tampa 2 CB as he is a Bump n Run. Chicago's CB's bump too i bliev, but then they go into zone.

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yea cause everyone can play in a cover 2?

Sportsfan u know that on 1 defense there are also Safeties? The CB dont make the Pass defense, they are part of it. Also Vasher was hurt for most of the season. Tillman missed 1-3 games too. I dont get why u can say the Statistics can tell u who is better

so if the bears were bad last year they are going to be bad next year? Really?
Why dont we just stop watching Football cause every year teams gonna just turn out like the season before? The Packers were 4-12 they shouldve been bad the following year too right?
Ur arguments are just ridiculous. i mean we dont even say the ur CBs are worse than ours and we are the best, we say its about even and u have to insist on saying ur CBs are way better? Great!
As I pointed out numerous times. Yes, there are other factors to pass defense. Such as pass rush.. which the Bears were BETTER at.. safeties.. which were bad for both teams.. TE covering linebackers.. which is a bigger weakspot for the Packers. Overcoming these deficiencies to end up with a very good pass D means our corners were ballin'.

And yes, the Packers went 4-12. Then 8-8. Then 13-3. It's called g-r-o-w-t-h. You're somehow predicting that a cornerback group that got annihilated last year is going to outperform the best cornerback tandem in the league last year.

Oh, and at least I take the time to think out an arguement for being a homer rather than just neg repping people for not agreeing that a horrible cornerback group will suddenly be amaaaaazing!
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Who the heck voted for Minny and Detroit?

This is a two man race and GB wins by a hair in my book because Woodson has played just nasty the last two years.
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It's either Green Bay or Chicago for me, and I'm not sure. That said, I guess if I was a betting man, I'd bet on the Bears unit and their depth as I do wonder if Woodson and Harris can maintain their top play. But it's close. So, hmm .. .voted Chicago.
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The Vikings group definatly has the potential to be the best they look real bad right now because they have been left out to dry by the D-line so much last year. That and Antione Winfield was hurt most the year, they have the best depth of the NFC North. But with that said the packers starting 2 is excellent even though Al Harris looked iffy at times this year so they get my vote.
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The Vikings group definatly has the potential to be the best they look real bad right now because they have been left out to dry by the D-line so much last year. That and Antione Winfield was hurt most the year, they have the best depth of the NFC North. But with that said the packers starting 2 is excellent even though Al Harris looked iffy at times this year so they get my vote.
i wouldve said we have the best depth...
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Basically what I've been saying. The youth of the Bears will help them in the near future but this year belongs to the Pack.
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hell that list is dumb, they have vikes 4
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it's still GB for me, if the lions play their cards right and their guys pan out they will have some very dynamic guys on the outside, but Harris and Woodson are still the best, imo
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Green Bay for the top 2 guys. Al Harris and Woodson can fit a good man scheme and thats a bit harder to find than a Tampa 2 guy.

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So in overall category of corners, Bears. Lee might be great but thats like last year when we went over TE Greg Olsen shouldve been great but no one could know for sure. Depth wise, McBride made me happy with his play for a rookie.

EDIT: To summarize if we are picking just the top two guys, Packers. But if we are looking at the position as a whole, then the Bears have to be the pick IMO.
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