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Old 08-02-2008, 11:04 AM    (permalink
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As for the injury thing, my main irk is the idea that all injuries can be called "freak" injuries. They all happen on one play because something that stressed something on that play. But stress over a long period makes those things much easier.

As for your question about the magic number, I'll take the closest example.

Jamaal Anderson at 25 - 536 carries, 2218 yards (4.1 YPC)
Larry Johnson at 26 - 476 carries, 2416 yards (5.1 YPC)

Jamaal Anderson's next season - 410 carries, 1846 yards (4.5 YPC)
Larry Johnson's next season - 416 carries, 1789 yards (4.3 YPC)

Both players had very disappointing follow up campaigns (Johnson was inconsistent beyond simply Kansas City's offensive line woes even before he went out in the Green Bay game). Anderson had a resurgence in the year following that, but was essentially out of football by the age of 29. I don't wish a ruined career on Larry Johnson, not even close. But to act like there's not substantial reason to be very worried about Larry Johnson is ignoring the reality of the situation.
Good statage! Interesting to read, but allow me to reply to something you've said.

To the injury, I don't think it was a "freak" injury, but I don't think it's something that will be incredibly common. When you're tackled from behind (completely legal tackle in this case) and someone lands on the back of your foot, it's hardly something you can avoid, no matter the amount of carries you have.

While he wasn't as consistent as he was the previous years, he was starting to come on before the injury. He scored all of his four touchdowns and piled up 371 yards during his last three games and was also on pace to shatter his career mark for receptions. He was hardly declining or slowing down.

Before he was hurt, Bowe wasn't a legitimate threat. All defenses had to do was stack 8 in the box on every play and it was hard for us to move the ball. It'll be harder to do that this year as Bowe has proven he can play in this league and Tony G is still as good as ever. With an improving offensive line and Bowe being a legitimate threat to catch the ball, defenses have to gameplan for more than just LJ now.

Also, Jamaal Charles was a great college back and he was really good value where he was picked (3rd round, pick 73). He's the perfect compliment to LJ, moreso than Kolby Smith is. He is extremely fast and can hit the homerun at any time. LJ and Jamaal Charles will make a very good 1-2 punch. Charles wasn't drafted to replace LJ, far from it. It's going to be a very good tandem.

In the end, only time will tell. You could be right. He might never be the same. I don't think you can look at last season as proof of this because he reached some magic number the season before that. A career doesn't end in one season, especially not after an injury like that. We'll see how he performs this year and be able to asses this better.
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This has nothing to do with him. And being the best prospect ever at a position doesn't guarantee success. Even IF Mandarich was the best prospect ever, his status as a pro doesn't effect how he was looked at as a prospect.

And try telling me that a 6-5, 235 lb WR who runs a 4.35 and produced the way he did with ******* Reggie Ball as your QB is not the best prospect ever. Name a better prospect, please.
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Old 08-02-2008, 04:56 PM    (permalink
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Calvin was a better prospect that Moss, no doubt. Moss had no where near the build and total package that Calvin came in with. Moss wasn't a slouch, but Calvin came in with the build of a man who could take the beating, and handle defenders, versus Moss with his thinner build who didn't have near the muscle
Moss had better acceleration.
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21st pick Randy Moss? Big legal problems Randy Moss?
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Moss had better acceleration.

And Calvin had the better attitude, work ethic, and character.......you have to keep in mind that this is as a prospect, and by that definition, Calvin was superior, plain and simple......
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Calvin Johnson in the Detroit TC is a big fish in a tiny pond though. I mean Detroit suck hard in the secondary. So its not like he facing Pacman Jones or Nnnnnnamamandanai ashogmoigoau every play.

His rookie numbers were solid if unspectacular and imo he's probably looking at around 70 for 1100 and close to 7 TDs.
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I don't trust that oline, or that qb. He'll be good, but until Detroit gets rid of Millen he'll never live up to the hype in that black hole environment.



As for who was the better prospect...Moss. The biggest misconception of the WR position is that its purely a physical position. WR is 80% mental. WRs have to be smart. Moss is probably the smartest WR in the league, and always has been.
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CJ was a way better prospect and it wasn't even close. Moss is more athletic, but he also had a very bad attitude, poor workethic and lots off the field issues. If Moss was a better prospect he wouldn't have fallen so far.
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As far as the C.J vs Bowe debate, I always knew CJ was the better talent, but I always believed Bowe would have the better career. I see some people making some excuses for CJ as to why he didn't have such a great year, but Bowe had to go against Champ, Asomugha, and Jammer twice each. That itself is an excuse not to have a great year.
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CJ is going to have a big year, i can smell it.
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As far as the C.J vs Bowe debate, I always knew CJ was the better talent, but I always believed Bowe would have the better career. I see some people making some excuses for CJ as to why he didn't have such a great year, but Bowe had to go against Champ, Asomugha, and Jammer twice each. That itself is an excuse not to have a great year.
Johnson was hurt all year. How is that an excuse?
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Detroit sucks so their going to be behind in most games and passing late which will help CJ stats.
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Detroit sucks so their going to be behind in most games and passing late which will help CJ stats.
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dont knock him too much on his english, the kid actually has a good point.
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Johnson was hurt all year. How is that an excuse?
Because being injured is an excuse?
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he's not going to be injured his whole career, we'll see how he does.
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He was playing hurt last year and still put up good numbers for a rookie wideout. I think baring injury he will have a great season. Lets just hope being on the Lions doesn't hurt his play.
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His point? That CJ's stats will look better because of the lions sucking? You could say the same thing about Andre Johnson.

And as far as his English, it was horrible and I figured someone had to tell him.
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CJ's bound to succeed. It's the Georgia Tech in him.
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