Tonight the future takes the field - Page 2

Cribbs>Hester · 09-08-2008, 11:14 PM

Cutler is a man amounst boys out there. With Cutler back healthy and Philip Rivers' cocky attitude. The SD and Denver rivalry is going to become a very fun one to watch the next few years.

Bruce Banner · 09-08-2008, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cribbs>Hester

Cutler is a man amounst boys out there. With Cutler back healthy and Philip Rivers' cocky attitude. The SD and Denver rivalry is going to become a very fun one to watch the next few years.

This is true.

Hopefully Cutler continues this throughout the season.

Cribbs>Hester · 09-08-2008, 11:20 PM

I can see it now, during special teams plays, Cutler and Rivers yelling back and forth across the field :

Rivers :: I had my way with your sister lastnight

Cutler :: thats awesome, but I had a threesome with your mom and sister lastnight.

Rivers :: Thats a good one, but why is your wife wearing my jersey?

Bruce Banner · 09-08-2008, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cribbs>Hester

I can see it now, during special teams plays, Cutler and Rivers yelling back and forth across the field :

Rivers :: I had my way with your sister lastnight

Cutler :: thats awesome, but I had a threesome with your mom and sister lastnight.

Rivers :: Thats a good one, but why is your wife wearing my jersey?

Cutler :: Not gonna ******** you, she's a dirty tramp.

giantsfan · 09-08-2008, 11:53 PM

The Denver Cutlers are going to the playoffs!!!!!

Bruce Banner · 09-09-2008, 12:26 AM

final line
J. Cutler 16/24 300 yards 2 tds 0 ints

TimD · 09-09-2008, 12:28 AM

Jets were so close to taking him over D'Brick. Once again we were wrong.

Bruce Banner · 09-09-2008, 12:29 AM

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Jets were so close to taking him over D'Brick. Once again we were wrong.

You guys will get your shot.

RaiderNation · 09-09-2008, 12:31 AM

If only Oakland took Cutler instead of Huff in that draft..... we would still suck nvm.

I think he will be a good QB, no not the face if the league, but a top 10 QB for a number of years

BlindSite · 09-09-2008, 12:39 AM

If only Al Davis would kick the bucket, the raiders might actually become a football team again.

CC.SD · 09-09-2008, 01:11 AM

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If only Oakland took Cutler instead of Huff in that draft..... we would still suck nvm.

I think he will be a good QB, no not the face if the league, but a top 10 QB for a number of years

So is Huff a bust? I think you have to say yes if you look at the other safeties drafted in the top ten recently.

Stash · 09-09-2008, 02:02 AM

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So is Huff a bust? I think you have to say yes if you look at the other safeties drafted in the top ten recently.

He definitely has not lived up to his draft status but he doesn't suck either. I wouldn't call him a complete bust, just a little disappointing so far. We're only 1 game into his first season at FS so we'll see how it goes.

DragonFireKai · 09-09-2008, 02:08 AM

Cutler is well on his way to being an elite starter. The only problem I have with him is that dealing with diabetes will erode his level of play and shorten his career down the road. He'll be an elite QB, but he probably won't remain in the league well past age 30 like most top flight QBs do.

Bruce Banner · 09-09-2008, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DragonFireKai

Cutler is well on his way to being an elite starter. The only problem I have with him is that dealing with diabetes will erode his level of play and shorten his career down the road. He'll be an elite QB, but he probably won't remain in the league well past age 30 like most top flight QBs do.

I'd like a link for the info and a description on your medical background, if it's not too much to ask.

DragonFireKai · 09-09-2008, 03:13 AM

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I'd like a link for the info and a description on your medical background, if it's not too much to ask.

Being diagnosed with Type II diabetes resulted in the decline of Mike Sinclair. Coming off a pro bowl season in 1998, he was diagnosed with diabetes in the off season, and his play swiftly declined, and he was out of the league in 2002.

Kenny Duckett got bounced after he began to have kidney problems after his diabetes exacerbated a hard hit.

Diabetes puts additional wear and tear on your body. The NFL does enough of that as it stands. Hard excercise causes swings your blood sugar, and with a diabetic, those cause further damage which manifests itself in many ways.

Peripheral Arterial Disease causes pain, cramping, and fatigue in the extremities. This is what would up finishing off Sinclair's career. It also wound up costing Jack Tatum his leg.

Diabetic Retinopathy is the ocular manifestation of the disease. This occurs in 80% of diabetes patients by the time that they've had the disease. This leads to degradation of vision, and eventually, blindness. Vision is important for a QB.

Diabetic Neuropathy causes numbness and muscle weakness in the extremities, among other, less impactful on football, problems. Numbness in the hands, and muscle weakness in the shoulder could cause problems for an NFL QB.

Diabetic Nephropathy is the one that poses the greatest immediate threat to a football players career. It weakens the kidneys, and makes them prone to damage, and slower to heal. An injury to a kidney could cause a diabetic to bleed out. Guess what's the least protected organs on a QB? The kidneys.

There is no cure for these problems. They can not be stopped, only slowed. Like any other chronic disease, it only gets worse with time. Eventually, they will insinuate their way into Cutler's career. Strict diet and exercise will help, but every time he takes a traumatic hit, it's hitting him harder than any other QB in the league.

Bruce Banner · 09-09-2008, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DragonFireKai

Being diagnosed with Type II diabetes resulted in the decline of Mike Sinclair. Coming off a pro bowl season in 1998, he was diagnosed with diabetes in the off season, and his play swiftly declined, and he was out of the league in 2002.

Kenny Duckett got bounced after he began to have kidney problems after his diabetes exacerbated a hard hit.

Diabetes puts additional wear and tear on your body. The NFL does enough of that as it stands. Hard excercise causes swings your blood sugar, and with a diabetic, those cause further damage which manifests itself in many ways.

Peripheral Arterial Disease causes pain, cramping, and fatigue in the extremities. This is what would up finishing off Sinclair's career. It also wound up costing Jack Tatum his leg.

Diabetic Retinopathy is the ocular manifestation of the disease. This occurs in 80% of diabetes patients by the time that they've had the disease. This leads to degradation of vision, and eventually, blindness. Vision is important for a QB.

Diabetic Neuropathy causes numbness and muscle weakness in the extremities, among other, less impactful on football, problems. Numbness in the hands, and muscle weakness in the shoulder could cause problems for an NFL QB.

Diabetic Nephropathy is the one that poses the greatest immediate threat to a football players career. It weakens the kidneys, and makes them prone to damage, and slower to heal. An injury to a kidney could cause a diabetic to bleed out. Guess what's the least protected organs on a QB? The kidneys.

There is no cure for these problems. They can not be stopped, only slowed. Like any other chronic disease, it only gets worse with time. Eventually, they will insinuate their way into Cutler's career. Strict diet and exercise will help, but every time he takes a traumatic hit, it's hitting him harder than any other QB in the league.

Thanks. I didn't want to do that myself but I highly doubt he will suffer from all of the ailments attached to diabetes that you listed above.

Bruce Banner · 09-09-2008, 03:29 AM

and let's not let this thread be dragged down by such things.

Great showing Jay!

DragonFireKai · 09-09-2008, 03:35 AM

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Thanks. I didn't want to do that myself but I highly doubt he will suffer from all of the ailments attached to diabetes that you listed above.

Pretty much everyone who has diabetes gets hit with them. It's also much more likely in people with type 1 diabetes. They're interelated, as they're all due to the fact that diabetes causes massive problems with the circulatory system. The eye has a ton a blood vessels by the retina and the kidneys are for all intents and purposes a giant ball of cappillaries.

One of the major problems that Cutler will have to face is the fact that he has type I diabetes. Type II sufferers really have to start worrying about vascular degeneration as they get into their mid 40s, however, with type I, vascular degeneration can begin in the late 20s.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that week 4 Cutler's going to go blind and require his arms and legs to be amputated. But as his career progresses, they will become more and more noticable. He'll get more fatigued in late game situations, and it'll be compounded by muscle weakness. That cannon he has will trickle back, and he'll be more Jeff Garcia than Brett Favre. As his vision starts to be affected, his accuracy will begin to diminish. He'll begin to have problems with sensation in his hands, and as such, he'll begin to have problems holding onto the ball, fumbles and botched passes will become more common, and the ability to pump fake realistically goes out the window. But I think that for now, up until he's about 31 or 32, Cutler will be a top flight QB.

Kind of the ugly silver lining on the cloud is that Cutler's decline will not likely catch the Broncos by suprise, so if they're smart, they'll have a replacement lined up beforehand.

Bruce Banner · 09-09-2008, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DragonFireKai

Pretty much everyone who has diabetes gets hit with them. It's also much more likely in people with type 1 diabetes. They're interelated, as they're all due to the fact that diabetes causes massive problems with the circulatory system. The eye has a ton a blood vessels by the retina and the kidneys are for all intents and purposes a giant ball of cappillaries.

One of the major problems that Cutler will have to face is the fact that he has type I diabetes. Type II sufferers really have to start worrying about vascular degeneration as they get into their mid 40s, however, with type I, vascular degeneration can begin in the late 20s.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that week 4 Cutler's going to go blind and require his arms and legs to be amputated. But as his career progresses, they will become more and more noticable. He'll get more fatigued in late game situations, and it'll be compounded by muscle weakness. That cannon he has will trickle back, and he'll be more Jeff Garcia than Brett Favre. As his vision starts to be affected, his accuracy will begin to diminish. He'll begin to have problems with sensation in his hands, and as such, he'll begin to have problems holding onto the ball, fumbles and botched passes will become more common, and the ability to pump fake realistically goes out the window. But I think that for now, up until he's about 31 or 32, Cutler will be a top flight QB.

Kind of the ugly silver lining on the cloud is that Cutler's decline will not likely catch the Broncos by suprise, so if they're smart, they'll have a replacement lined up beforehand.

Baha, Cutler will regress into mediocrity! I hope the fans return their jerseys by then.

DragonFireKai · 09-09-2008, 03:46 AM

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Baha, Cutler will regress into mediocrity! I hope the fans return their jerseys by then.

I think it's better to have a QB who's elite for a while with a decline you can see coming for miles away than a mediocre QB who tantalizes you with "potential" for years without ever realizing it. Sure it's more pessemistic in the first case, but optomists are idiots.

Bruce Banner · 09-09-2008, 03:47 AM

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but optimists are idiots.

shh, don't let AQ hear you. Hell on earth if she does....

stephenson86 · 09-09-2008, 08:05 AM

i say tennessee could of had this kid :(

abaddon41_80 · 09-09-2008, 08:38 AM

Cutler is a top 10 QB right now and will be top 5 by the end of the season

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 09-09-2008, 08:55 AM

Cutler was excellent last night and really looks great. The past two years, he's really made one consistent mistake. Every once in a while, he would look like he's never played before and throw a pass that makes you go "WTF!?" like his backward pass to Selvin Young in game 1 last season. He had no such moments last night. He gave up on plays that had no chance and just threw away the ball. If he can stay like that all season, he is an elite quarterback. With Brady gone, he has a legit chance at the PB.

Bruce Banner · 09-09-2008, 12:30 PM

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Cutler was excellent last night and really looks great. The past two years, he's really made one consistent mistake. Every once in a while, he would look like he's never played before and throw a pass that makes you go "WTF!?" like his backward pass to Selvin Young in game 1 last season. He had no such moments last night. He gave up on plays that had no chance and just threw away the ball. If he can stay like that all season, he is an elite quarterback. With Brady gone, he has a legit chance at the PB.

What are your thoughts on his apparently imminent diabetes complications?