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Old 09-09-2008, 01:59 AM    (permalink
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Hall did a terrible job of controlling the cushion he gave Royal, but why the Raiders continued to call that cushion is utterly beyond me. Hall is more than strong enough to give Royal problems at the line, but instead let him operate with impunity for 8-12 yards. Hall has quick hips, but he didn't seem to know exactly how to attack Royal from that spot.

I swear to god, if Asomugha doesn't get re-signed, I'm pretty much done with feeling the least bit optimistic about Oakland.
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Hall did a terribly job of controlling the cushion he gave Royal, but why the Raiders continued to call that cushion is utterly beyond me. Hall is more than strong enough to give Royal problems at the line, but instead let him operate with impunity for 8-12 yards. Hall has quick hips, but he didn't seem to know exactly how to attack Royal from that spot.

I swear to god, if Asomugha doesn't get re-signed, I'm pretty much done with feeling the least bit optimistic about Oakland.
Wow, does that mean you have optimism right now? I'm seriously not trying to bash you, but I have to ask...why?

I guess D-Mac could pan out.
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Wow, does that mean you have optimism right now? I'm seriously not trying to bash you, but I have to ask...why?

I guess D-Mac could pan out.
I have to have optimism. If I didn't, there'd be no reason to watch football.
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I have to have optimism. If I didn't, there'd be no reason to watch football.
Yeah, that's true.
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Wow, does that mean you have optimism right now? I'm seriously not trying to bash you, but I have to ask...why?

I guess D-Mac could pan out.
It's not like Al Davis is young or anything.
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It's not like Al Davis is young or anything.
It's not like Al Davis is human or anything.
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I would laugh so hard if Hall ends up on a worse team than he did with the Falcons at year end. Imagine if they cant resign Asomugha cause of the money they spent on Hall and then he Atlanta signs him! Essentialy Asomugha and Curtis Lofton for Hall- thatd have to be it for Al Davis.jks

Jokes aside though we had one of the most hated coaches in the NFL in one of the worst situations and he was on NO money and it still took him till the Carolina game (mid season i think, not sure, certainly not week one though) to commit two penalties and get in the coaches face. This year he has lost the plot in week 1. And you know what? So many WR's will niggle him now, i like the guy as a player and his swagger but its nice to not have to worry about defending him.

Finally, he was excellent last year for the most part, far more consistant. I watched the game today. Worst of his career undoubtably
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You can take whatever I say with a grain of salt considering my username and the team I like, but whatever.

He let up 1 TD last year with the Falcons, and that was on a Joey Galloway slant and go for 44 yards and a TD. He did not let up any other TD and was only burnt on a couple plays (for about 30-40 yards).

But every year before that, his biggest issue has been his consistency. One week he would come in and dominate. Another week he would just make stupid gambles and stupid penalties.

I guess one reason I am happy about trading him away is that at least I know what our CBs will be like.

That's bull, Devery Henderson smoked him on a deep play, left him in a cloud of dust. Deangelo should have been forced to give back that fastest man trophy :D
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Ocho Cinco is right 85% of the time.
Umm, 'Ocho Cinco' also named him one of the top three receivers in the game and is friends with Hall.

Bottum line is Hall is generally inconsistent. He was bad in 2006 and last night as well, but in 2007 he was great. In 2005 he was excellent as well.
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But his yards per play was terrible. Or rather, below average ranking in the mid 7's...which was the second best of his career apparently. Granted, the pass rush wasn't that great...but there is a reason he is frequently targeted.
Dude, just stop. Especially with the stats. If you watched him last year you know he was amazing. Stats for corners are misleading.
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You must have missed the game against the Giants, where Amani Toomer caught an easy one on him in the 1st quarter.

Boldin's 2nd TD in week 16 was on Hall as well.

I remember Anthony Gonzalez beating him badly on a deep ball that would have easily been a TD had he not been headed toward the sideline. That set up an easy TD. In my mind, Hall is accountable for that.

Not only did he play with 2 very exploitable corners in Chris Houston and Lewis Sanders, but he didn't even match up with the majority of top WR's the Falcons faced last year. Missing out on Wayne, Holt, Colston, Andre Johnson (hurt), and Burress.

Now across from Aso, Hall won't be able to hide on that comfy left side in Atlanta anymore. He'll be among the most frequently targeted corners in the league this year.

Umm, no. Wrong. Amani's TD was in Demorrio William's zone. Houston was lined up on Boldin until overtime. Gonzalez did have a good game.

What? He did fine against Burress. Hall lines up on the left side every play, if he is not covering somebody it is the offenses choice, not his.

He picked off Manning that game.

Colston, when lined up on Hall, did nothing.
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Because he was drafted high and continues to be overrated in Madden. People think he must be good.

Hall has been burned by some many receivers in this league.
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Watch the game closely. It was all Rob Ryan's fault.

He has a killer secondary going against what is a solid but not spectacular WR core missing its best player.

And he runs zone the entire game? Terrible. He was terrible. He gave the game away. I put 95% of it on Rob Ryan.


Just terrible.

Hall, Aso, those are man guys. Play man and blitz like hell.
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Watch the game closely. It was all Rob Ryan's fault.

He has a killer secondary going against what is a solid but not spectacular WR core missing its best player.

And he runs zone the entire game? Terrible. He was terrible. He gave the game away. I put 95% of it on Rob Ryan.


Just terrible.

Hall, Aso, those are man guys. Play man and blitz like hell.
That's what i'm saying. Why the hell aren't teams blitzing the crap out of offenses? I was pretty upset how the Cowboys weren't pressuring the Browns much at times, but that might be because of the loss of Terence Newman. Against Philly this coming week, i expect to see a lot more of it.

But back to the Raiders, i can't believe how bad their pass rush is. Send 6 at the quarterback and hope for the best. Obviously what you were doing before wasn't working.
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Kiffin wanted to fire Rob to.Hes easily the worst DC in the league.
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It isnt that Hall isnt good because he is, it is he is really, really inconsistant. I think it has to do with the teams he plays on. If he played for a winner, I think he could be a top 5 corner.

He has all the tools, just doesnt put them to good use. I dont even think he really even tries all that much.
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It isnt that Hall isnt good because he is, it is he is really, really inconsistant. I think it has to do with the teams he plays on. If he played for a winner, I think he could be a top 5 corner.

He has all the tools, just doesnt put them to good use. I dont even think he really even tries all that much.
he was top 5 last year, easily. he's a man coverage cb, thats the thing, hes not a zone guy.

they ran way too much zone. Ryan needs to go.
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I sincerely feel bad for whomever must be assigned the epitomal role of having to play across Aso. I sincerely do.
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Umm, no. Wrong. Amani's TD was in Demorrio William's zone. Houston was lined up on Boldin until overtime. Gonzalez did have a good game.

What? He did fine against Burress. Hall lines up on the left side every play, if he is not covering somebody it is the offenses choice, not his.

He picked off Manning that game.

Colston, when lined up on Hall, did nothing.
Umm, yes. Watch the damn game again before you neg rep me. I don't give a crap what you think Demorrio Williams' responsibility was on that play. Hall lined up directly across from Toomer, who ran a quick slant. Hall followed in man coverage while Demorrio and the other LB's keyed in on Jacobs. You really want Williams to leave a gaping hole in the middle of the defense on that play?

On the Boldin play, watch it again. Boldin goes in motion to the right and Chris Crocker follows. As Boldin approaches Bryant Johnson, Crocker stops directly in front of Johnson, at which point the switch is made and the ball is snapped. Johnson blocks Crocker while Hall is now responsible for Boldin. Rather than read and react to what is going on, Hall stays way back toward the sideline and appears as though he wants nothing to do with Boldin as he backpedals into the endzone while his teammates try their hardest to prevent a TD. Let me guess, that was on Demorrio Williams. Or perhaps Crocker should defend both Johnson and Boldin while Hall picks his ass?

Burress damn near always lines up on the left side of the offensive formation. Hall is always on the left side of the defensive formation. I didn't see a single play in that game where Hall faced Burress. Go ahead and dispute that, but I think you need to watch the game first.

You're right, he intercepted Manning. Not sure what that has to do with my post, which had everything to do with how many TD's he gave up this past year and nothing to do with how many interceptions he had. That interception has nothing to do with how badly Gonzalez beat him.

As for Colston, that's what I said. New Orleans moved him all around the field and he was matched up with safeties and even linebackers quite frequently. My point was that Hall didn't really face him. That point remains.
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I'm not putting all that on zone, watch some of the replays, Hall was beat on MAN TO MAN coverage at least 5 times, beaten badly at that...If he was playing a zone he wouldn't of gotten his hips turned as badly as he did countless times, that comes from man coverage, if your sitting back in a zone your not following the WR in and out of every break, man coverage you have to...Royal was just breaking him down all nite, what gets me is that when Hall starts getting beat he starts crying, arguing with the coach, costing the defense personal fouls, its like he can't control himself when he can't cover a DB.


But remember, in Hall's own words, he just wants to win, its only about winning, thats why he's in Oakland right now.
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Anyone else notice how much of a piece of **** Gibril Wilson was in the game? I am so happy we didn't give him top safety money. Kenny Phillips >>>>>> Gibril Wilson.
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inconsistent and undisciplined. 30 yards worth of personal foul penalties on the same drive... now why does that sound familiar?

He's been in the league long enough now, He's just one of those guys who will never reach his potential due to ****** attitude (why Antonio Bryant, why?)
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just an update, Antonio is the Bucs #2 but he had a couple dropped balls against the 'Aints.
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