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Old 09-09-2008, 04:06 PM    (permalink
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Umm, yes. Watch the damn game again before you neg rep me. I don't give a crap what you think Demorrio Williams' responsibility was on that play. Hall lined up directly across from Toomer, who ran a quick slant. Hall followed in man coverage while Demorrio and the other LB's keyed in on Jacobs. You really want Williams to leave a gaping hole in the middle of the defense on that play?

On the Boldin play, watch it again. Boldin goes in motion to the right and Chris Crocker follows. As Boldin approaches Bryant Johnson, Crocker stops directly in front of Johnson, at which point the switch is made and the ball is snapped. Johnson blocks Crocker while Hall is now responsible for Boldin. Rather than read and react to what is going on, Hall stays way back toward the sideline and appears as though he wants nothing to do with Boldin as he backpedals into the endzone while his teammates try their hardest to prevent a TD. Let me guess, that was on Demorrio Williams. Or perhaps Crocker should defend both Johnson and Boldin while Hall picks his ass?

Burress damn near always lines up on the left side of the offensive formation. Hall is always on the left side of the defensive formation. I didn't see a single play in that game where Hall faced Burress. Go ahead and dispute that, but I think you need to watch the game first.

You're right, he intercepted Manning. Not sure what that has to do with my post, which had everything to do with how many TD's he gave up this past year and nothing to do with how many interceptions he had. That interception has nothing to do with how badly Gonzalez beat him.

As for Colston, that's what I said. New Orleans moved him all around the field and he was matched up with safeties and even linebackers quite frequently. My point was that Hall didn't really face him. That point remains.
Coaches said after the game that was DeMorrio's fault, not DHalls. They know more than you.

I can't remember the Boldin TD exactly, but I do know Boldin had 90% of what, 200 yards, on Houston. Then in overtime Hall covered Boldin and Fitz made his first real impact of the game when Houston was on him.

So, if your post on Boldin is correct then it is two touchdowns allowed. Still damn good considering safety help.
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Coaches said after the game that was DeMorrio's fault, not DHalls. They know more than you.
I'd like to see a video or listen to an audio recording of that, please. The game tape speaks for itself. If the coaches thought that was on Demorrio, then it was actually on the coaches. What in the hell should Hall have done on that play other than cover Toomer? Why wouldn't Demorrio's first read be Jacobs? What happens if Demorrio is 9 yards deep in the endzone and it's not play action? Jacobs has an easy TD and Hall is over there covering air in his "zone." Both players did the right thing on that play, but Hall just let Toomer get by him.

So break it down for me. What exactly were Williams and Hall supposed to do on that play?

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I can't remember the Boldin TD exactly, but I do know Boldin had 90% of what, 200 yards, on Houston. Then in overtime Hall covered Boldin and Fitz made his first real impact of the game when Houston was on him.
Yes, that's one of the points I'm making. The other Falcon DB's were so bad in coverage, that opposing QB's exploited them repeatedly. It's not that they were avoiding Hall so much as they were targeting Houston and co. Essentially, Hall was able to "hide" to one degree or another last year. The game last night against Oakland helps illustrate this.

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So, if your post on Boldin is correct then it is two touchdowns allowed. Still damn good considering safety help.
It is correct, but I'll point out that it's not really a coverage deficiency that led to the TD. Boldin had the ball at the LOS. It was a lack of recognition and effort. Guys like Champ, Winfield, Newman...they come up and at least try to make a play. Hall gave up.

He's a talented athlete, but his skill level as a corner has yet to even approach his level of hype. When people go around claiming that he only gave up 1 TD last year, they're contributing to the widening of that gap.

Let's cut through the bs and tell it like it is. Hall is a #2 corner with loads of potential and sticks of dynamite stuck in his earholes which contribute greatly to his inability to realize said potential. Arguments to the contrary are based on fiction.
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Two touchdowns then, wow, he is horrible.

Anyways, I am done argueing.
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Two touchdowns then, wow, he is horrible.

Anyways, I am done argueing.
If he never played for VT or the Falcons you wouldn't be arguing, because the fans of those teams are the only people that could rationalize a defense for him.
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If he never played for VT or the Falcons you wouldn't be arguing, because the fans of those teams are the only people that could rationalize a defense for him.
Maybe because those fans are the ones who have seen him play most?

Anyone who says he wasn't a top five cornerback last year is wrong, and most of you are just being trendy and saying he is overrated.

This board is so fickle. It was one game.
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Two touchdowns then, wow, he is horrible.

Anyways, I am done argueing.
By my count, it's 3. But I may have missed a few.

It's not all that meaningful a stat anyway. A CB can make a perfect textbook play and still give up an 80 yard TD. That same player could trip and fall on his face and watch the ball land 5 yards beyond the intended receiver. All that really matters is how well Hall performs from play to play, game in and game out. Stats can't paint that picture clearly at all. It's plain to see that he's far too mistake-prone to be considered an elite corner.
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If he never played for VT or the Falcons you wouldn't be arguing, because the fans of those teams are the only people that could rationalize a defense for him.
There are other people on this board that considered him a top 5 CB last season.
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Maybe because those fans are the ones who have seen him play most?
As far as I know, Sunday Ticket is available throughout the country.

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Anyone who says he wasn't a top five cornerback last year is wrong, and most of you are just being trendy and saying he is overrated.
Any list of the top 5 CB's is far too subjective to be defined as right or wrong.

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This board is so fickle. It was one game.
It's his entire career. Playing across from Asomugha only makes his flaws more noticeable. That game was not a fluke. It's the same Deangelo Hall we saw last year, just in a less favorable setting. Luckily for him, he again won't have to face very many elite WR's, if any.
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As far as I know, Sunday Ticket is available throughout the country.



Any list of the top 5 CB's is far too subjective to be defined as right or wrong.



It's his entire career. Playing across from Asomugha only makes his flaws more noticeable. That game was not a fluke. It's the same Deangelo Hall we saw last year, just in a less favorable setting. Luckily for him, he again won't have to face very many elite WR's, if any.
Have a poll and see how many people have it at their houses, and then have another poll of how many of them watched the Falcons.
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There are other people on this board that considered him a top 5 CB last season.
And there are those who truly believed that Shaun Alexander was a top 3 RB at one point. If you don't take the time to create your own perception, you naturally adopt one that's already been established. When ESPN says that Darren McFadden is the next Adrian Peterson, there's a large percentage of viewers who recite the same line to their buddies next time they're talking football. Deangelo Hall is an immensely talented athlete, but he was never a top 5 CB.
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BamaFalcon's always been on Hall's chops. Give him a break, fellas. He's still suffering through the 'OMG WE LOST ONE OF THE BEST CBS IN THE GAME!!!111' syndrome.
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And there are those who truly believed that Shaun Alexander was a top 3 RB at one point. If you don't take the time to create your own perception, you naturally adopt one that's already been established. When ESPN says that Darren McFadden is the next Adrian Peterson, there's a large percentage of viewers who recite the same line to their buddies next time they're talking football. Deangelo Hall is an immensely talented athlete, but he was never a top 5 CB.
Ok dude, the act is getting old.

You probably watched Hall in at maximum three games last year. Stop trying to be a know it all.
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BamaFalcon's always been on Hall's chops. Give him a break, fellas. He's still suffering through the 'OMG WE LOST ONE OF THE BEST CBS IN THE GAME!!!111' syndrome.
Hey, I already said the trade is fine if Baker holds up like he has. Get off my back.
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Ok dude, the act is getting old.

You probably watched Hall in at maximum three games last year. Stop trying to be a know it all.
And you've watched enough CBs to accurately rate him Top 5? Check yourself.
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And there are those who truly believed that Shaun Alexander was a top 3 RB at one point. If you don't take the time to create your own perception, you naturally adopt one that's already been established. When ESPN says that Darren McFadden is the next Adrian Peterson, there's a large percentage of viewers who recite the same line to their buddies next time they're talking football. Deangelo Hall is an immensely talented athlete, but he was never a top 5 CB.
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And you've watched enough CBs to accurately rate him Top 5? Check yourself.
Then I guess noone should speak on the subject.
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Have a poll and see how many people have it at their houses, and then have another poll of how many of them watched the Falcons.
Judging by the way you Falcon fans successfully slip Hall's name into discussions of elite corners, it sounds like this has already been done.
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Then I guess noone should speak on the subject.
LOL so why are you making a huge argument here and then calling out Duckseason for not watching Hall enough?
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And there are those who truly believed that Shaun Alexander was a top 3 RB at one point. If you don't take the time to create your own perception, you naturally adopt one that's already been established. When ESPN says that Darren McFadden is the next Adrian Peterson, there's a large percentage of viewers who recite the same line to their buddies next time they're talking football. Deangelo Hall is an immensely talented athlete, but he was never a top 5 CB.
Um. Hall has been on the most overrated lists ever since his 3rd season. Every sports writer calls him overrated.
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LOL so why are you making a huge argument here and then calling out Duckseason for not watching Hall enough?
Ok. Let me put it this way. One game yesterday should not neutralize a years hard work for DHall.
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Ok. Let me put it this way. One game yesterday should not neutralize a years hard work for DHall.
What does hard work have to do with it?

Bruce Gradkowski works hard and he sucks ass.
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Judging by the way you Falcon fans successfully slip Hall's name into discussions of elite corners, it sounds like this has already been done.
This has already been done? I said make a poll of who has NFLSunday Ticket. Few peope have it. Then I said make a poll pertaining of those who do have NFLSunday Ticket and ask who watched the Falcons on a consistent basis. Even less people.
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What does hard work have to do with it?

Bruce Gradkowski works hard and he sucks ass.
Alright, some people are born ignorant so I guess I have to put it more plainly.

Hall was great last year.
He was bad last night.

The year (16 games) should overrule last night (one game) as far as reputation is concerned.
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Um. Hall has been on the most overrated lists ever since his 3rd season. Every sports writer calls him overrated.
Every? Really? Including all those guys who posed the question of whether or not Oakland now had the best CB duo? A simple google search soundly refutes this statement.

The majority of top-ten corner lists I've seen have featured Hall. When you watch Falcons games, they talk about Hall. Now, there are several sportswriters and commentators who are savvy enough to know that Hall is vastly overrated, but they have been the minority. After all, you can't top overrated lists without being highly rated in the first place.
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Every? Really? Including all those guys who posed the question of whether or not Oakland now had the best CB duo? A simple google search soundly refutes this statement.

The majority of top-ten corner lists I've seen have featured Hall. When you watch Falcons games, they talk about Hall. Now, there are several sportswriters and commentators who are savvy enough to know that Hall is vastly overrated, but they have been the minority. After all, you can't top overrated lists without being highly rated in the first place.
You may say I am biased but you obviously have a vandetta against Hall. He is considered overrated by most analysts, but I guess you are only referencing analysts who support your arguement.

Anyways, I am done. It is pointless to argue with someone who is so rockheaded.
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