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Old 10-13-2008, 10:34 AM    (permalink
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It's between Roddy White and Brandon Marshall. They're just the most complete WR's out of the ones you mentioned.

Of all of those, i'd take Marshall first, in an instant.
I dont know, id prefer Colston somehow
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Larry Fitzgerald is the same age or younger than Colston and Jennings and only a year older than Marshall and Bowe. And White is older than all of them.
Hence, "others"
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It's between Roddy White and Brandon Marshall. They're just the most complete WR's out of the ones you mentioned.

Of all of those, i'd take Marshall first, in an instant.
As I asked before, what's not complete about Jennings? I'm not arguing he's not. but saying" he's not complete" without an example or two is rubbish and rather obtuse.
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As I asked before, what's not complete about Jennings? I'm not arguing he's not. but saying" he's not complete" without an example or two is rubbish and rather obtuse.
Funny how you put quotation marks on "he's not complete" as if you were quoting me as saying it. Your post is rubbish, not mine.

Not once did i say he isn't complete, but i would prefer taking Marshall. Their hands and route running are a wash, but i'd take Marshall's size and physicality over Jennings quickness and agility. I guess it's just a matter of opinion.
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I dont know, id prefer Colston somehow
I'd take Marshall's edge in the speed, quickness and agility department. Besides, Marshall can truck through DB's as good as anyone not named Boldin.
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I'd take Marshall's edge in the speed, quickness and agility department. Besides, Marshall can truck through DB's as good as anyone not named Boldin.
yea gotcha, i just like that guy. Big Strong, incredible hands and only working for the team
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As I asked before, what's not complete about Jennings? I'm not arguing he's not. but saying" he's not complete" without an example or two is rubbish and rather obtuse.
Thank you for showing up to defend Jennings as I came across this thread late with that same intention.

Jennings is elite. There's no question about it anymore.

He was good his rookie year. Great last year. Elite this year.

He really has no weakness. He doesn't drop balls. He's about as good of a route runner as they come. He can make the catch anywhere on the field. Either he or Driver takes the cake as best YAC receiver in the league. He's easily the best deep-threat in the league. He's absolutely clutch... the guy has it all.

No, he isn't a huge receiver which is what we've all come to expect from the elite group, but he's got decent size and he is always open and always making big plays.

Stats of Jennings : 1st Season - 632 yrd, 3 TD. 2nd Season - 920 yrd, 12 TD. 3rd Season (6 games) - 653 yrd, 4 TD.

He's currently on pace for 1741 yards and 11 TDs on a Packers team with another legit number one in Driver and an offense that prides itself on spreading the ball.
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Look at all the receivers in this thread, and no mention of MALCOLM FLOYD? wtffffff.


Yes I'm kidding, what is wrong with you? :D

I am however very curious as to how Vincent Jackson's season will end up, especially if this Chambers injury lingers.
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Look at all the receivers in this thread, and no mention of MALCOLM FLOYD? wtffffff.


Yes I'm kidding, what is wrong with you? :D

I am however very curious as to how Vincent Jackson's season will end up, especially if this Chambers injury lingers.
Vincent Jackson has been one of my favorite young WR's for two years already, and i've been waiting for him to explode. Hope the Chambers injury means more looks to him.
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I fully expect Rivers to lean on Jackson a lot more now after yesterday's performance. Those two were exceptional in the playoffs a year ago. It's taken a while but, maybe they're finally on the same page. Could lead to a more prominent role for Jackson in the offense. He is a fantastic talent, guy is going to be a star.

As for Roddy...guy has amazingly quick hands. He has a distinct way of catching the ball, it's like a lightning quick motion. I love it. He has improved by leaps and bounds and is turning into quite the special player. Ryan to White is going to be fun to watch for a long time.
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Why do people throw around the word elite so often?
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Why do people throw around the word elite so often?
Because Americans have trouble using other more appropriate words.
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Because Americans have trouble using other more appropriate words.
its like elite became the new "great"
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Roddy has all of the tools. He has the size, the speed, the power, the athleticism, everything. He can makes catches anywhere on the field. He gets more seperation than just about any receiver.

The only thing he doesn't do amazingly is catch the ball consistently. He can make the great catch, and he doesn't drop a lot of balls, but he does drop more than he should. Kind of like Terrell Owens.
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I fully expect Rivers to lean on Jackson a lot more now after yesterday's performance. Those two were exceptional in the playoffs a year ago. It's taken a while but, maybe they're finally on the same page. Could lead to a more prominent role for Jackson in the offense. He is a fantastic talent, guy is going to be a star.
What was the deal with Buster Davis named as a starter last night and doing nothing at all. I know it was Malcolm Floyd's type of game as John Madden said a million times but I don't think Davis was on the field once
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Yeah, people use the term "elite" way too liberally. In my opinion there are about 25-35 "elite" players in the NFL and usually no more than two or three per position, but no more than five. I'm Greg Jennings' biggest fan outside of Wisconsin, but he is in no way an elite player. He's an excellent or great player, but I think elite should be used for the best of the best.
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I was hesitant to rave about him after last year because he essentially had a second half run much like Chris Chambers did a couple years ago with the Dolphins.

But now that I have gotten to see him play the past 4 weeks, he can physically match up with the top WRs in the game. He has the ability to seaparate from any CB in the league and his hands are glue downfield. He was considered a raw project when he came into the game and now that he has refined his route running and plan to defeat the press coverage, he is lethal. He is not just a downfield threat either, he is dangerous on 3rd downs when the chains need to be moved.

While he may not be in the Terrell Owens-Randy Moss tier yet, he could be there by season's end. I think he is right behind them ahead of the likes of Edwards, Burress, Johnson, Housh. Where do you rank him?
top 3. He is htat good IMO.
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I'm Greg Jennings' biggest fan outside of Wisconsin, but he is in no way an elite player. He's an excellent or great player, but I think elite should be used for the best of the best.
I never claimed Jennings was " elite" for the record. However, so far this season he is statistically, the best of the best ;)

Roddy white a top three receiver in the NFL? Not too sure about that to say the least.
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He didn't play a snap. Apparently he is injured again, this time a groin. Buster is really confusing because once in a blue moon he emerges and catches some first downs and looks smooth as hell. But then again, he has 24 career catches in two years so far. If I had to wager a guess I'd say he's on his way towards being the first AJ Smith #1 pick bust since Sammy "The Candyman" Davis.

Then again, with Chambers getting a sprained ankle, maybe he'll get more time. Who knows. As long as Rivers is doing a mad bomber impression it doesn't look like it matters.
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He's improving a lot but he's nowhere near the top 10 or even 15 in my opinion
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I never claimed Jennings was " elite" for the record. However, so far this season he is statistically, the best of the best ;)

Roddy white a top three receiver in the NFL? Not too sure about that to say the least.
Thing is though, and again this is just my opinion, you need to constantly be one of the best at your position. In 2004 Joe Horn and Muhsin Muhammad were statistically the best receivers in football. Would anyone ever say that either of them were elite at any point in their career?
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Thing is though, and again this is just my opinion, you need to constantly be one of the best at your position. In 2004 Joe Horn and Muhsin Muhammad were statistically the best receivers in football. Would anyone ever say that either of them were elite at any point in their career?
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Thing is though, and again this is just my opinion, you need to constantly be one of the best at your position. In 2004 Joe Horn and Muhsin Muhammad were statistically the best receivers in football. Would anyone ever say that either of them were elite at any point in their career?
My wink didn't translate sarcasm well... Just giving you some crap.
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Thing is though, and again this is just my opinion, you need to constantly be one of the best at your position. In 2004 Joe Horn and Muhsin Muhammad were statistically the best receivers in football. Would anyone ever say that either of them were elite at any point in their career?
I would have to say the year Moose led the league in everything he performed at an elite level, so yes. I believe you can be elite within the confines of a specific season but not be considered an "elite" player--to suggest otherwise leads to some tricky logical quandraries.
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I think Elite receivers are either game changers like Fitgerald, Moss, Smith and Owens that only come along every couple of decades.

Probowl are guys like Jennings, White, Houshmanzadeh, Ocho Cinco, Roy Williams, Andre Johnson, Colston
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