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Old 10-26-2008, 08:34 PM    (permalink
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Roddy White is a great example to show that players need time to develop and aren't busts if they start off slowly in their careers.
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People need to remember that when referring to guys like Tedd Ginn and Dwayne Jarrett
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People need to remember that when referring to guys like Tedd Ginn and Dwayne Jarrett
No, Ted Ginn will always suck. One game doesn't change this. He got hawked by a linebacker in open field. You know who doesn't suck? Steve Breaston.
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Dwayne Jarrett will have to actually play though in order for people to refer to him
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2 catches, 25 yards FTW!
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Dwayne Jarrett this year: 6 catches, 78 yards.

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i still haven't had a chance to really sit down and analyze and break this team down yet this season.

So I can't really comment on White as much as I want to. But his stat sheet says he's one of the best in the league.

I really want to sit down and really break Matt Ryan and Roddy White down, but I haven't gotten the chance yet. Does ATL play any MDF or SNF this year?

I'm pretty sure we don't. We lost those games when Vick left. :( Otherwise, we were good for 2-4 a season.
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guys, guys to be fair. Jarrett was named team MVP...of the practice squad
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Roddy White is a great example to show that players need time to develop and aren't busts if they start off slowly in their careers.

I think it varies. For example, Roddy White was raw coming out. That was pretty well known. It took him 2 years of dropping everything thrown at him to bust out.
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guys, guys to be fair. Jarrett was named team MVP...of the practice squad
Eh, at least he's caring about practice.
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practice? practice? prac-practice? you talking about practice? not a game, but practice?
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practice? practice? prac-practice? you talking about practice? not a game, but practice?
Man how the hell am I supposed to make my team better by practicing?
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Anyone who thinks he isn't has been out to lunch. This guy has been absolutely killing it for the Falcons this season, and last season he put up good numbers. This year is a coming out party for him for sure.

Sniper is right... If y'all didn't know that Receivers need about 2-3 years or just some time to develop y'all should know now. I expected good things out of White just never could have imagined him dominating like he is right now.
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People are underrating Boldin here. And Andre... I mean, 4 straight weeks of 130+ receiving yards and he has next to no buzz.

I think it goes:

Moss
Owens
Fitz
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Andre Johnson
Boldin
Marshall
White
Jennings
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The rest.

I'm almost definitely forgetting people, because this was just off the top of my head, but Andre and Boldin shouldn't be in "third tiers". If it wasn't for the age difference, I would have a pretty hard time deciding between Boldin, Fitz, and Johnson if I had to pick one. However, I suppose Johnson has had health issues, which is a possible knock on him.
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My WR rankings would go like this:

**Elite**
No particular Order
Andre Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
Anquan Boldin
TO
Randy Moss
Brandon Marshall

**Pro Bowl caliber players, but at least one glaring weakness in their game**
Reggie Wayne
Plaxico Burress
Greg Jennings
Chad Johnson
Steve Smith
Braylon Edwards

**Fringe Pro Bowl Players**
Roddy White
Lee Evans
Santana Moss
Dwayne Bowe
T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Calvin Johnson

**Above Average NFL Starters/Productive Vets**
Roy Williams
Hines Ward
Donald Driver
Derrick Mason
Marvin Harrison
Torry Holt
Chris Chambers

**Have Pro Bowl talent, but haven't proven it yet with consistency**
Santonio Holmes
Desean Jackson
Vincent Jackson
Bernard Berrian
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My WR rankings would go like this:

**Elite**
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Andre Johnson
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Brandon Marshall

**Pro Bowl caliber players, but at least one glaring weakness in their game**
Reggie Wayne
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Greg Jennings
Chad Johnson
Steve Smith
Braylon Edwards

**Fringe Pro Bowl Players**
Roddy White
Lee Evans
Santana Moss
Dwayne Bowe
T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Calvin Johnson
I don't see what Greg Jennings has done that Roddy White hasn't. And Jennings has had much better supporting cast. If you put Jennings in that second tier, which I do as well, then White deserves to be right there beside him.

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That would be so sweet. I expect them to pick on him all day long, when not pounding the rock with Michael Turner that is.

All I know is that Matt Ryan and Roddy White will make a deadly combination for years and that makes me so excited. The fact that White has produced with no quarterbacks (last year) and with a rookie (this year) is remarkable. He always showed glimpses of brilliance, but I was not sure he would put it all together. He has it all, he is physical, he is fast, and what was once his weaknesses have now become strengths. He is no longer dropping as many passes and his routes have become crisp.
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He made huge strides of improvement last year and is doing so again.

Roddy always showed us those flashed of greatness making the spectacular catches but dropping the easy ones. Now he's catching everything.

Kudos to former coach Hue Jackson who helped turn this kid around like he did for TJ Houshmanzedah. It also helps so much we finally have him in a vertical offense where he can stretch the field.

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I think it varies. For example, Roddy White was raw coming out. That was pretty well known. It took him 2 years of dropping everything thrown at him to bust out.
the problem for Roddy White.... lefty throwing. this sounds ridiculous, but hear me out. all through his life he had righty QB's. And finally he has a lefty QB in Vick and can't produce. Doesn't help that Vick owuld rather run than pass either. But then you insert a righty pocket QB and he goes for 1200 yards na 5 TD's. no talent at QB and he does that. Insert Matt Ryan and he is looking at a pace for a 100 catch, 1550 yard, 15 TD season, like we all knew he was capable of. If we had a legit TE, the rest of our offense would explode and allow Ryan and White look that much better.
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None of these lists have Jordyzzzzzzzzzzzzzz? Wow!

I always thought he was overrated but I can safely admit I was completely wrong. I watched the Eagles game yesterday and he dominated. Although he was on the losing team, he did his part.
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the problem for Roddy White.... lefty throwing. this sounds ridiculous, but hear me out. all through his life he had righty QB's. And finally he has a lefty QB in Vick and can't produce. Doesn't help that Vick owuld rather run than pass either. But then you insert a righty pocket QB and he goes for 1200 yards na 5 TD's. no talent at QB and he does that. Insert Matt Ryan and he is looking at a pace for a 100 catch, 1550 yard, 15 TD season, like we all knew he was capable of. If we had a legit TE, the rest of our offense would explode and allow Ryan and White look that much better.
Props on the attempt, but no. Just no. What exactly does he have to adjust to from having a left handed quarterback? The only argument you could probably make is the release points, but a WR hardly even looks at the quarterback when he's making his release. By the time you make your break, most of the time, the ball is already in the air. I'll give you that Vick was a very innacurate quarterback, and a lot of his passes were off-mark, but lets not make Roddy the victim here. He had some pretty horrible drops, he ran bad routes at times, and he got rattled too much. He lost the hands of stone he had, and with time he has become a polished WR. That's no surprise. Not everyone is gonna be a Calvin Johnson.
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The left handed argument makes no sense. The fact that Vick was a terrible passer (not only in accuracy, but no touch, no timing either) might have had to do with it. Its hard for a WR to develop if he cant have that chemistry and timing down with the QB. It didnt help that Roddy dropped so many passes either. Looks like he is finally getting confident in his ability. He has got some real talent all around.
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I don't see what Greg Jennings has done that Roddy White hasn't. And Jennings has had much better supporting cast. If you put Jennings in that second tier, which I do as well, then White deserves to be right there beside him.
I agree that they should be on the same level. Brandon Marshall should be joining them too. I think it's ridiculous that people are putting him in the top level.
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Props on the attempt, but no. Just no. What exactly does he have to adjust to from having a left handed quarterback? The only argument you could probably make is the release points, but a WR hardly even looks at the quarterback when he's making his release. By the time you make your break, most of the time, the ball is already in the air. I'll give you that Vick was a very innacurate quarterback, and a lot of his passes were off-mark, but lets not make Roddy the victim here. He had some pretty horrible drops, he ran bad routes at times, and he got rattled too much. He lost the hands of stone he had, and with time he has become a polished WR. That's no surprise. Not everyone is gonna be a Calvin Johnson.
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The left handed argument makes no sense. The fact that Vick was a terrible passer (not only in accuracy, but no touch, no timing either) might have had to do with it. Its hard for a WR to develop if he cant have that chemistry and timing down with the QB. It didnt help that Roddy dropped so many passes either. Looks like he is finally getting confident in his ability. He has got some real talent all around.
you doubt me, but Roddy would run great routes, and get separation the entire time. but just couldn't catch it from midway his 1st through his entire 2nd year. the spin on the ball is completely opposite. Also, Roddy had trouble when they just wouldn't pass the ball. Vick running too much was a big problem because in 2006, he would be open and waiting. and then just give up on the play because Vick would run. a WR's job isn't to block for his QB's broken plays.
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I agree that they should be on the same level. Brandon Marshall should be joining them too. I think it's ridiculous that people are putting him in the top level.
Ditto.

He, Brandon Marshall, catches a lot of underneath routes and has talent, but I don't see enough big plays from him.
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