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Old 02-05-2007, 10:26 PM    (permalink
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Favorite 5

1. Steve Young
2. Joe Montana
3. John Elway
4. Doug Flutie
5. Rich Gannon

Top 5

1. Joe Montana
2. John Elway
3. Johnny Unitas

The rest is too jumbled...marino, tarkenton, young, bradshaw, etc. Not counting current guys like brady, manning, and favre.
Bradshaw shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence with those guys.
Well, he won 4 Super Bowls.
So did every other player on the Steelers, are they all top 5 at their position too?

Quarterbacks get way too much credit/blame. Bradshaw wasn't very good.

Conversely, Barry Sanders never won anything important, is he not a top 5 back? It's a double standard.
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Old 02-05-2007, 10:27 PM    (permalink
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The vast majority of people that do see his super bowl wins and nothing else. Just like when people say Namath is one of the greatest QBs of all time(I don't think he should even be in the HOF), it is only because of his guarantee. I wouldn't have Bradshaw even in the top 20 all time qbs.
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Old 02-05-2007, 10:27 PM    (permalink
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Favre isn't getting a ton of love on here. Just an observation.
Nobody views him as top 5 except packer fans. For the most part anyways.
Hes on mine guy, and Im a Cowboys fan.
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Old 02-05-2007, 10:29 PM    (permalink
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Favorite 5

1. Steve Young
2. Joe Montana
3. John Elway
4. Doug Flutie
5. Rich Gannon

Top 5

1. Joe Montana
2. John Elway
3. Johnny Unitas

The rest is too jumbled...marino, tarkenton, young, bradshaw, etc. Not counting current guys like brady, manning, and favre.
Bradshaw shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence with those guys.
Well, he won 4 Super Bowls.
So did every other player on the Steelers, are they all top 5 at their position too?

Quarterbacks get way too much credit/blame. Bradshaw wasn't very good.

Conversely, Barry Sanders never won anything important, is he not a top 5 back? It's a double standard.
I'm just stating the fact that he won those games. Although he wasn't that great the wins really propel him to that level.
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Favorite 5

1. Steve Young
2. Joe Montana
3. John Elway
4. Doug Flutie
5. Rich Gannon

Top 5

1. Joe Montana
2. John Elway
3. Johnny Unitas

The rest is too jumbled...marino, tarkenton, young, bradshaw, etc. Not counting current guys like brady, manning, and favre.
Bradshaw shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence with those guys.
Well, he won 4 Super Bowls.
Bradshaw was a good Quarterback. He wouldn't be in my Top 10 mind you. Oh and btw, The Steelers DEFENSE won 4 Super Bowls!
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1. Montana
2. Manning (will be better then marino, plus has a SB)
3. Marino
4. Farve
5. Bradshaw( He has won 4 SB's hard not to put him in top 5, plus had Hall of Famers?
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Old 02-05-2007, 10:31 PM    (permalink
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I didn't say what YOUR opinion was, I just told you your opinion was wrong. Especially about Bart Starr, he in no way compares to any of the QBs I listed. That is like saying Joe Namath is top 5. Starr was a game manager, game managers aren't top 5 qbs.

Just look at the stats for both Favre and Starr. Look at the players around each of them. Favre has never had a HOFer on offense, yet he is about to break all of Marino's records.

Staubach doesn't compare to Favre or Elway. Both Favre and Elway carried their teams with almost no GREAT players on either team(they each had the Sharpe brothers, the only players on either offense I would consider great)
an opinion is neither wrong or right.
Sometimes it is. Napoleon thought it would be a good idea to invade Russia. He was wrong.
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Nobody views him as top 5 except packer fans. For the most part anyways.
Well, Packer fans and the guy in your avatar. Steve Young just said he was THE best QB of all time. Now I wouldn't go that far, but he is generally considered a top 5 QB, at the very least, on the bubble.

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1. Montana
2. Manning (will be better then marino, plus has a SB)
3. Marino
4. Farve
5. Bradshaw( He has won 4 SB's hard not to put him in top 5, plus had Hall of Famers?
Elway has to be above Bradshaw, he singlehandedly led his team to 3 super bowls. You've heard the saying, you cant make chardonnay out of ****? Well, he did.

So how about Doug Williams, is he a very good QB, he won a super bowl, one that he actually had a huge effect on. What about Trent Dilfer? The Steel Curtain won those super bowls. Winning Super Bowls does not a good QB make. Bart Starr won 3 straight NFL championships, two of them super bowls, but he doesn't deserve to be up there either.
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Montana
Manning
marino
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1. Unitas
2. Elway
3. Marino
4. Montana
5. Manning
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an opinion is neither wrong or right.
Just a quick question, how old are you? I would say a freshman in high school or younger. You will learn quick that opinions can be wrong. If you are older than that, you must be quite sheltered.
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Favorite 5:

1) Joe Montana
2) Steve Young
3) Peyton Manning
4) Warren Moon
5) Jim McMahon - 1 Word: SWAG

Top 5 IMO:

1) Joe Montana
2) Dan Marino
3) John Elway
4) Peyton Manning
5) Steve Young
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I didn't say what YOUR opinion was, I just told you your opinion was wrong. Especially about Bart Starr, he in no way compares to any of the QBs I listed. That is like saying Joe Namath is top 5. Starr was a game manager, game managers aren't top 5 qbs.

Just look at the stats for both Favre and Starr. Look at the players around each of them. Favre has never had a HOFer on offense, yet he is about to break all of Marino's records.

Staubach doesn't compare to Favre or Elway. Both Favre and Elway carried their teams with almost no GREAT players on either team(they each had the Sharpe brothers, the only players on either offense I would consider great)
an opinion is neither wrong or right.
Sometimes it is. Napoleon thought it would be a good idea to invade Russia. He was wrong.
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Nobody views him as top 5 except packer fans. For the most part anyways.
Well, Packer fans and the guy in your avatar. Steve Young just said he was THE best QB of all time. Now I wouldn't go that far, but he is generally considered a top 5 QB, at the very least, on the bubble.

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1. Montana
2. Manning (will be better then marino, plus has a SB)
3. Marino
4. Farve
5. Bradshaw( He has won 4 SB's hard not to put him in top 5, plus had Hall of Famers?
Elway has to be above Bradshaw, he singlehandedly led his team to 3 super bowls. You've heard the saying, you cant make chardonnay out of ***********? Well, he did.

So how about Doug Williams, is he a very good QB, he won a super bowl, one that he actually had a huge effect on. What about Trent Dilfer? The Steel Curtain won those super bowls. Winning Super Bowls does not a good QB make. Bart Starr won 3 straight NFL championships, two of them super bowls, but he doesn't deserve to be up there either.
Well, he could be top 5. He is top 10 on my list. Like i said, after 3, it gets jumbled.
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1. Montana
2. Manning (will be better then marino, plus has a SB)
3. Marino
4. Farve
5. Bradshaw( He has won 4 SB's hard not to put him in top 5, plus had Hall of Famers?
Johnny Unitas, John Elway, Sammy Baugh, Otto Graham, Tom Brady, Steve Young, Roger Staubach>Terry Bradshaw
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An old favorite of mine is Sammy Baugh. One of the first scrambling QBs in football. Archie Manning aswell.
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an opinion is neither wrong or right.
Just a quick question, how old are you? I would say a freshman in high school or younger. You will learn quick that opinions can be wrong. If you are older than that, you must be quite sheltered.
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

Opinions are not wrong, especially with regards to top 5 qb's.
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Top 5:

1. Joe Montana
2. John Elway
3. Brett Favre
4. Dan Marino
5. Johnny Unitas

(not counting active players... Manning probably would crack this list when it's all said and done... maybe even Brady as well).
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1. Montana
2. Manning (will be better then marino, plus has a SB)
3. Marino
4. Farve
5. Bradshaw( He has won 4 SB's hard not to put him in top 5, plus had Hall of Famers?
Johnny Unitas, John Elway, Sammy Baugh, Otto Graham, Tom Brady, Steve Young, Roger Staubach>Terry Bradshaw
Warren Moon, Johnny Unitas, Fran Tarkenton, Bobby Layne, Y.A. Tittle, Norm Van Brocklin, and I am sure there a few more that I am missing. http://www.listology.com/content_sho...d.16816/Sports That might be the single worst list of top QBs I have ever seen.
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1. John Elway
2. Joe Montana
3. Dan Marino
4. Brett Favre
5. Peyton Manning
6. Steve Young
7. Johnny Unitas
8. Roger Staubach
9. Troy Aikman
10. Dan Fouts

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Top 5:

1. Joe Montana
2. John Elway
3. Brett Favre
4. Dan Marino
5. Johnny Unitas

(not counting active players... Manning probably would crack this list when it's all said and done... maybe even Brady as well).
Favre is active, but I know what you mean. Players that still have quite a few years left. You see manning the same way that I do.

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1. John Elway
2. Joe Montana
3. Dan Marino
4. Brett Favre
5. Peyton Manning
6. Steve Young
7. Johnny Unitas
8. Roger Staubach
9. Troy Aikman
10. Dan Fouts
Aikman is just like Bradshaw, he had great players surrounding him. They both were great QBs, but neither deserve to be in a greatest QB ever discussion.
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1. Montana
2. Manning (will be better then marino, plus has a SB)
3. Marino
4. Farve
5. Bradshaw( He has won 4 SB's hard not to put him in top 5, plus had Hall of Famers?
Johnny Unitas, John Elway, Sammy Baugh, Otto Graham, Tom Brady, Steve Young, Roger Staubach>Terry Bradshaw
Warren Moon, Johnny Unitas, Fran Tarkenton, Bobby Layne, Y.A. Tittle, Norm Van Brocklin, and I am sure there a few more that I am missing. http://www.listology.com/content_sho...d.16816/Sports That might be the single worst list of top QBs I have ever seen.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Mike Vick is ON THE LIST!!!!!!!
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1. Elway
2. Montana
3. Unitas (ahead of his time)
4. Marino
5. Favre
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Favorite 5:
Favre
Young
Starr
Montana
Moon

Best 5:
Montana
Favre
Elway
Marino
Young

I kept off players from older generations (Unitas would have made it etc) and Players whose careers are still young (Peyton, Brady, etc)
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Top 10 Over the last 25 years

1-John Elway
2-Dan Marino
3-Brett Favre
4-Joe Montana
5-Peyton Manning
6-Troy Aikman
7-Tom Brady
8-Steve Young
9-Kurt Warner
10-Jim Kelly
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Favre

and that's about it
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Top 10 Over the last 25 years

1-John Elway
2-Dan Marino
3-Brett Favre
4-Joe Montana
5-Peyton Manning
6-Troy Aikman
7-Tom Brady
8-Jim Kelly
9-Steve Young
10-Jim Kelly
Might want to fix that.
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