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Old 11-10-2008, 10:46 PM    (permalink
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DAng people I was just kidding, jeez...

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Well, let me say, i don't find it funny. Make it obvious. Like picking on Jordyzzzzzzz
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Even if you were joking initially, which I doubt, he has shown flashes since DJ Hackett has been out injured. If you knew what you were talking about you would've known that he helped ice the game against Arizona and New Orleans with big catches on third and long.
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Even if you were joking initially, which I doubt, he has shown flashes since DJ Hackett has been out injured. If you knew what you were talking about you would've known that he helped ice the game against Arizona and New Orleans with big catches on third and long.
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hahahaha there is no way you were kidding, it was cool that you manned up and said you had no BS left, but you definitely meant everything you said and trying to play it off like you were joking is pretty lame
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The reason why so many players are considered busts is the high standard of success expected from high draft picks. You notice this when people call Kerry Collins a dissapointment. He was never the dominant player people thought he would be but his longevity and team success most QBS would envy. It is like in basketball lot of NBA writers and "experts" say thngs like to be an NBA superstar you have to lead your team to multiple championships. Nothing is ever good enough for fans and pundits.
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The reason why so many players are considered busts is the high standard of success expected from high draft picks. You notice this when people call Kerry Collins a dissapointment. He was never the dominant player people thought he would be but his longevity and team success most QBS would envy. It is like in basketball lot of NBA writers and "experts" say thngs like to be an NBA superstar you have to lead your team to multiple championships. Nothing is ever good enough for fans and pundits.
Exactly. When you look at the draft system, what normally is bet on is their boom-bust factor. If they're not 'booming' they're clearly 'busting'. Which isn't the reality of the matter.

It's why I have such a hard time figuring out WHY coaches who've been around the block for 20, 30 years get all fidgety at media pressure... because lets face it, the media is wrong most of the time... but the talking head news cycle creates fan pressure, and subsequently organizational pressure which didn't occur 10 years ago. face it though, we're wrong most of the time. We are not professionals no matter how much time we spend, because if we were good enough to be professionals, we'd be like toonster.
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hahahaha there is no way you were kidding, it was cool that you manned up and said you had no BS left, but you definitely meant everything you said and trying to play it off like you were joking is pretty lame
I wasn't joking but I definitely wasn't serious, it was a half ass attempt at an argument.
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the talking head news cycle creates fan pressure, and subsequently organizational pressure which didn't occur 10 years ago
Also, back in the day, they would draft someone and never play them until they were ready to get on the field, instead of just throwing them out there to sink or swim... and develop career-ruining habits.
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Thanks blindsite for watching carolina games.
wait... blindsite is a... Panthers fan...?
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Also, back in the day, they would draft someone and never play them until they were ready to get on the field, instead of just throwing them out there to sink or swim... and develop career-ruining habits.
the thing is if your investing 60+ mill in someone you would like to see results pretty damn quick
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the thing is if your investing 60+ mill in someone you would like to see results pretty damn quick
I dont disagree but this would bring us to the rookie salary cap discussion which has been beaten to death.
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the thing is if your investing 60+ mill in someone you would like to see results pretty damn quick

That's not the point. You're going to give them 60 mil any way.
That's just impatience. Again, what i believe is a fundamental flaw in the way things are run.

This is where you run into the concept of creating incentive laden contracts with less guaranteed money.
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Chris Johnson has less than half of the TD's LenWhale White has. He's a bust fa sho.
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Chris Johnson has less than half of the TD's LenWhale White has. He's a bust fa sho.
he also had 8 yards this week....BUST
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he also had 8 yards this week....BUST
He busted hard. And yes, that's what she said.
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That's not the point. You're going to give them 60 mil any way.
That's just impatience. Again, what i believe is a fundamental flaw in the way things are run.

This is where you run into the concept of creating incentive laden contracts with less guaranteed money.

everyone is not in a postion where they can afford to be patient
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I think its official....ahmad carroll = BIG TIME BUST!
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I think its official....ahmad carroll = BIG TIME BUST!
not at all just give him time......
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everyone is not in a postion where they can afford to be patient
why?

what's going to be the loss? their job? are high impact developmental players worth it? because, i think that's the question you're asking me, when you get down to the root of it all.

let me ask you. is drew brees the guy you'd wait around for? jason campbell? Amobi Okoye? or other Branden Albert? I don't care the size of their contract, and neither should you. I expect from each player, regardless on what their draft order is to live up to the potential i think they have... Maybe not me personally, but, if i was a coaching staff. I can tell you, hey. I got a pretty good player here. Because as soon as you get on the field, it doesn't matter if your the first pick or mr. irrelevant. You're on the field. If you play well, you play well. If not, and you have potential, NO MATTER YOUR DRAFT POSITION, you will be worked on to try to improve. I think this is a lot more important to improve the skills of these players instead of worrying about if they're a bust. Work on their mechanics, their techniques, their footwork...

If you're going to be scouting these players, and you know you got someone good, it shouldn't matter what position they're at, or how much they make. That's a front office decision. Not a playing decision. Sure. You can say they're completely undervalue/overvalue their contract... but... again, that's not a playing issue or a coaching issue. that's a front office issue.

i don't care what their contract is. that should have NOTHING to do if they're a bust or not. a bust is someone who does not perform or improves on a given time scale based on initial translation to the NFL.

some people have the skill to translate to the nfl very easily, some don't. but to say if they have a hard time translating doesn't mean they have talent that isn't translatable. i have a hard time believing some talent reports sometimes because frankly, so much of it depends on the intanglebles these days, there are so many fantastic specimens out there of physical talents... intangables are now the way to go, and modern scouting does a rough job of determining it.
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that's because owners and fans are #$(*&#$(ing idiots and demand a new coach if the one they just hired isn't winning the super bowl in two seasons.

realistically, i blame the morons who root for these teams more than the media. if anyone actually had an attention span of over 5.3 seconds, they might be able to see the bigger picture (as in, hey, this QB we just drafted isn't going to lead us to the super bowl considering we have the worst defense in NFL history... maybe i shouldn't call for his head just yet).
agreed. again. this is the espn news cycle we deal with on a day to day basis that ruins teams.
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why?

what's going to be the loss? their job? are high impact developmental players worth it? because, i think that's the question you're asking me, when you get down to the root of it all.

let me ask you. is drew brees the guy you'd wait around for? jason campbell? Amobi Okoye? or other Branden Albert? I don't care the size of their contract, and neither should you. I expect from each player, regardless on what their draft order is to live up to the potential i think they have... Maybe not me personally, but, if i was a coaching staff. I can tell you, hey. I got a pretty good player here. Because as soon as you get on the field, it doesn't matter if your the first pick or mr. irrelevant. You're on the field. If you play well, you play well. If not, and you have potential, NO MATTER YOUR DRAFT POSITION, you will be worked on to try to improve. I think this is a lot more important to improve the skills of these players instead of worrying about if they're a bust. Work on their mechanics, their techniques, their footwork...

If you're going to be scouting these players, and you know you got someone good, it shouldn't matter what position they're at, or how much they make. That's a front office decision. Not a playing decision. Sure. You can say they're completely undervalue/overvalue their contract... but... again, that's not a playing issue or a coaching issue. that's a front office issue.

i don't care what their contract is. that should have NOTHING to do if they're a bust or not. a bust is someone who does not perform or improves on a given time scale based on initial translation to the NFL.

some people have the skill to translate to the nfl very easily, some don't. but to say if they have a hard time translating doesn't mean they have talent that isn't translatable. i have a hard time believing some talent reports sometimes because frankly, so much of it depends on the intanglebles these days, there are so many fantastic specimens out there of physical talents... intangables are now the way to go, and modern scouting does a rough job of determining it.
*slow clap for AQ*

you also deserve one for the young actresses/hot chick thread as well
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*slow clap for AQ*
Yes! I use the slow clap a lot. Mainly in my TX History lecture.
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they have tx history? as a college course?

wow. i shouldn't be shocked.
you know. it was a separate country. like hawaii... only with more assholes.
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