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Old 11-11-2008, 03:06 PM    (permalink
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they have tx history? as a college course?

wow. i shouldn't be shocked.
yea it's prolly just like US History, or Russian History, or French History

oh wait, Tejas isn't its own country? Coulda fooled me...
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This thread needs to be a STICKY. Amazing post!
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I think the fact that Drew Brees and Larry Johnson were once labeled as busts says it all.
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I think the fact that Drew Brees and Larry Johnson were once labeled as busts says it all.
indeed. i always found it amazing that drew brees won the CBPOY, i was like. He wasn't great, he wasn't terrible either.
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Damoine Lewis was a bust at one point too and now he's a good starter. Roddy White was being called a bust in Atlanta before last year as well.

Change of system, supporting cast and coaching staff helped both of those go from back ups / busts / hated to being praised.
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Damoine Lewis was a bust at one point too and now he's a good starter. Roddy White was being called a bust in Atlanta before last year as well.

Change of system, supporting cast and coaching staff helped both of those go from back ups / busts / hated to being praised.
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For example: Corey Webster- not bust. Tim Lewis just should burn in several fires. His zombie should have its eyes gauged out with a spork, while having rabid racoons hurled at him via cannon(or Jay Cutlers arm). His ghost shall than be farted on by Corey Webster, thus making him choke and die. again.

bust: Willy Joseph, Tim Carter, everyone drafted out of WVU


but AQ, the OP was pure gold and sex. like goex? seld? sold? ew no, that one works
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For example: Corey Webster- not bust. Tim Lewis just should burn in several fires. His zombie should have its eyes gauged out with a spork, while having rabid racoons hurled at him via cannon(or Jay Cutlers arm). His ghost shall than be farted on by Corey Webster, thus making him choke and die. again.

bust: Willy Joseph, Tim Carter, everyone drafted out of WVU


but AQ, the OP was pure gold and sex. like goex? seld? sold? ew no, that one works
Tim Lewis has been a great secondary coach, he did suck balls as a def coord though.
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WR Jason Hill of the 49ers was looking like a bust. 1 catch 12 career games combined from 07-08. Mike Nolan gets fired, Singletary comes in with no aversion to playing youngsters...Hill has 10 catches and 1 TD in the last 2 weeks without Nolan.

Just shows that you need to give some players a little time+faith.
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Alex Smith was called a bust then.....oh wait damnit :(
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they have tx history? as a college course?
I dont have a bias towards this state as I am not from it but there is a lot of stuff that has occurred within this state since people came to this area 10000 years ago and that is what we have covered.

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you know. it was a separate country. like hawaii... only with more assholes.
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for all of like, 12 minutes... i know, i know. i shouldn't be surprised or appalled by anything anyone in Texas does anymore.
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I wonder if the number of players being called busts within their first 3 years actually turn out to be busts or not is statistically significant.

Yeah we may call a guy a bust wrongly, but I am sure we are right a ton of the time.
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I wonder if the number of players being called busts within their first 3 years actually turn out to be busts or not is statistically significant.

Yeah we may call a guy a bust wrongly, but I am sure we are right a ton of the time.
A lot of guys are called busts then the system changes or the team. Then all of the sudden they shed the label.
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don't disagree. i'm just entertained. it seems so... texas. that said, CU offers a history of colorado course for correspondence.
I enjoy History courses, they make for interesting electives. I am sure that every state has a History course that covers that state's history. In fact, I have taken more notes in my TX History class than any other class since I have been in college because we have covered so much.

Anyway, to keep this thing on topic: last night, Jaws seriously said about a dozen or more times that Patrick Willis has had less tackles this year as if he had declined in his play. What a joke. Next thing he'll call him a bust. Sorry he's not on the field 40 minutes a game like last year.
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I enjoy History courses, they make for interesting electives. I am sure that every state has a History course that covers that state's history. In fact, I have taken more notes in my TX History class than any other class since I have been in college because we have covered so much.

Anyway, to keep this thing on topic: last night, Jaws seriously said about a dozen or more times that Patrick Willis has had less tackles this year as if he had declined in his play. What a joke. Next thing he'll call him a bust. Sorry he's not on the field 40 minutes a game like last year.

If Warner was in the booth Jaws would have been bent over for him.
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Yeah, I bought that up in another thread. There was no bias-free commentating there. If someone like Dan Fouts can control their pro-Oregon bias, surely Jaws can... oh wait, watch an MNF Eagles game and he's all up on McNabb, too.

Sorry, I just cannot stand Jaws... "I'd also like to welcome Joe Theismann, watching from his living room with steam coming out of his ears." -Kimmel haha
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Yeah, I bought that up in another thread. There was no bias-free commentating there. If someone like Dan Fouts can control their pro-Oregon bias, surely Jaws can... oh wait, watch an MNF Eagles game and he's all up on McNabb, too.

Sorry, I just cannot stand Jaws... "I'd also like to welcome Joe Theismann, watching from his living room with steam coming out of his ears." -Kimmel haha
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I enjoy History courses, they make for interesting electives. I am sure that every state has a History course that covers that state's history. In fact, I have taken more notes in my TX History class than any other class since I have been in college because we have covered so much.

Anyway, to keep this thing on topic: last night, Jaws seriously said about a dozen or more times that Patrick Willis has had less tackles this year as if he had declined in his play. What a joke. Next thing he'll call him a bust. Sorry he's not on the field 40 minutes a game like last year.
That's one of my biggest beefs.

People are like "they gave up 300 ypg+" last year... They're defense is terrible!
But when you look at their offense, it's like the 3 and out Machine.

I find it hard to believe that people, and by people i mean the media telling people, can say that 'the X's defense is great because the X's offense keeps them off the field' but they can't believe the contrary... I remember when everyone was saying two years ago that the raiders defense was terrible. i reminded them that they have some of the best players on that side of the ball (aso's rookie year, fyi)... they just don't have anyone on the other side who can keep them off the field.
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I say the three year rule has to be applied when talking busts Otherwise every project pick would be a bust even if they develope into good players down the road. I think there is a basic criteria for busts in the league.

Top 10 pick: Should be a starter right away if they don't it doesn't neciceralyl mean they are busts but it doesn't look good. Should be in the top 25% at his position by the 3rd year and be a eventual pro bowler.

1st round: Should start 50% of games (or take 50% of snaps) if not it is a red flag. If they aren't starting every game and top 50% by year 3 it is a bust.

2nd - 3rd rounds: Player should start all games by year 3.


4th - 5th Round: Should make the team.

6rh - 7th round: No such thing as a bust.
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And that was the thing with Willis. Not to take anything away from his abilities but last year he was on the field all game and teams were not game planning against him. This year, the offense is marginally better so he isnt on the field all day and teams are scheming to get guards and centers to block him whereas last year he was free to do damage because they weren't running directly at him and getting lineman on him.
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And that was the thing with Willis. Not to take anything away from his abilities but last year he was on the field all game and teams were not game planning against him. This year, the offense is marginally better so he isnt on the field all day and teams are scheming to get guards and centers to block him whereas last year he was free to do damage because they weren't running directly at him and getting lineman on him.
eventually, with a talent as good as willis, and hopefully with a competent coach (i know, funny ha,ha), coaching will put pieces in place to allow him to continue what he does.

It's a balance. they game plan against him, you put in pieces to exploit their gameplan. Rarely will you see players be mr. consistancy on the defensive side of the ball.
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The reason why so many players are considered busts is the high standard of success expected from high draft picks. You notice this when people call Kerry Collins a dissapointment. He was never the dominant player people thought he would be but his longevity and team success most QBS would envy. It is like in basketball lot of NBA writers and "experts" say thngs like to be an NBA superstar you have to lead your team to multiple championships. Nothing is ever good enough for fans and pundits.
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There's great players and there's busts. Thats it. The great players do all the work and carry the other guys on their back. The other guys are busts.
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