Ryan Grant a fluke? - Page 4

PackerLegend · 11-16-2008, 06:37 PM

I would just like to say I told you to give him time... the last 3 weeks he has really picked it up. They weren't suck *** run defenses either... Titans (4.3 Avg), Vikings (4.7 Avg), Bears (5.8 Avg)

Smokey Joe · 11-16-2008, 06:38 PM

He'll start to suck again since he won't be facing the Bears D for a couple more weeks.

PackerLegend · 11-16-2008, 06:42 PM

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He'll start to suck again since he won't be facing the Bears D for a couple more weeks.

Either way the vision and determination he was missing early has started to come back and you can tell.

Gay Ork Wang · 11-16-2008, 06:46 PM

with those holes, a blind man could get 100 yards

Twiddler · 11-16-2008, 06:50 PM

Did we really need to bring this thread back?

Gay Ork Wang · 11-16-2008, 06:51 PM

well i like a lot of packer fans, but there are some guys who need the: I told you so. And it wasnt really based on anything

BeerBaron · 11-16-2008, 06:56 PM

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He'll start to suck again since he won't be facing the Bears D for a couple more weeks.

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with those holes, a blind man could get 100 yards

kersplam. your answers.

GB12 · 11-16-2008, 07:00 PM

Well just a word to D-Unit who was roasting him like none other: He now has 100 more yards and the same YPC as Marion Barber. Infact he's now 8th in the league in yards

tjsunstein · 11-16-2008, 07:08 PM

He's a second half monster.

BeerBaron · 11-16-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GB12

Well just a word to D-Unit who was roasting him like none other: He now has 100 more yards and the same YPC as Marion Barber. Infact he's now 8th in the league in yards

100 more yards at the same ypc just means he's gotten a few more carries......not usually the best argument.

tjsunstein · 11-16-2008, 07:12 PM

26 more...

GB12 · 11-16-2008, 07:13 PM

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100 more yards at the same ypc just means he's gotten a few more carries......not usually the best argument.

No ****, that's what I was saying. He's been as productive running the ball as Barber in terms of yardage.

bantx · 11-16-2008, 07:14 PM

That doesnt mean hes better than barber, so i dont see what kind of arguement you're trying to make.

yo123 · 11-16-2008, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GB12

Well just a word to D-Unit who was roasting him like none other: He now has 100 more yards and the same YPC as Marion Barber. Infact he's now 8th in the league in yards

MBIII has played 3 games with Brad Johnson as his quarterback.

bantx · 11-16-2008, 07:22 PM

You decide to bring this thread back up after he his 2nd 100 yard game....

GB12 · 11-16-2008, 07:27 PM

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That doesnt mean hes better than barber, so i dont see what kind of arguement you're trying to make.

D-Unit has been bashing Grant when Barber, his guy, has done the same as Grant. And Barber was just one example. Grant has 140 more yards and a better ypc than LT. Seven less yards and a better ypc than Matt Forte. 187 yards and a better ypc than Jamal Lewis. 250 more yards and a better ypc than Marshawn Lynch. 290 yards and a better ypc than Willis Mcgahee. 386 yards and a better ypc than Edgerrin James. etc.

Bottom line: Not a fluke

D-Unit · 11-16-2008, 07:53 PM

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D-Unit has been bashing Grant when Barber, his guy, has done the same as Grant. And Barber was just one example. Grant has 140 more yards and a better ypc than LT. Seven less yards and a better ypc than Matt Forte. 187 yards and a better ypc than Jamal Lewis. 250 more yards and a better ypc than Marshawn Lynch. 290 yards and a better ypc than Willis Mcgahee. 386 yards and a better ypc than Edgerrin James. etc.

Bottom line: Not a fluke

First off, let's not start to compare Barber to Grant cause you'll look silly and I want to avoid that.

Nice stat lines... but if you want to compare how good RBs are based off YPC, then Selvin Young, Jerious Norwood and Jamaal Charles are Gods.

It's must feel good to see Grant have his second 100 yard game, but he's an average back. Not the super star that many expected.

GB12 · 11-16-2008, 08:05 PM

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First off, let's not start to compare Barber to Grant cause you'll look silly and I want to avoid that.

I'm not really comparing the too, but Grant has been just as productive picking up yardage this season. A fluke wouldn't do that.

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Nice stat lines... but if you want to compare how good RBs are based off YPC, then Selvin Young, Jerious Norwood and Jamaal Charles are Gods.

Did you notice that I also put yardage numbers as well. Obviously not, because otherwise you wouldn't be making this ridiculous comment. Norwood leads those three with 383 yards, the other two haven't even topped 300.

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It's must feel good to see Grant have his second 100 yard game, but he's an average back. Not the super star that many expected.

Not sure why you and bantx are bringing up the fact that it was his second 100 yard game is a negative. Grant has just as many 100 yard games as LT, Marion Barber, Matt Forte, Frank Gore, among others.

I don't think anyone expected him to be a superstar. We thought he'd be good, which he is. He is at least a top 15 back and possibly top 10. Unless your definition of a fluke is anyone not in the top 5 then you are dead wrong on this.

D-Unit · 11-16-2008, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GB12

I'm not really comparing the too, but Grant has been just as productive picking up yardage this season. A fluke wouldn't do that.

Did you notice that I also put yardage numbers as well. Obviously not, because otherwise you wouldn't be making this ridiculous comment. Norwood leads those three with 383 yards, the other two haven't even topped 300.

Not sure why you and bantx are bringing up the fact that it was his second 100 yard game is a negative. Grant has just as many 100 yard games as LT, Marion Barber, Matt Forte, Frank Gore, among others.

I don't think anyone expected him to be a superstar. We thought he'd be good, which he is. He is at least a top 15 back and possibly top 10. Unless your definition of a fluke is anyone not in the top 5 then you are dead wrong on this.

Argh... if you want to, then fine. ...you can't compare Grant to Barber because Barber is a complete back. Besides the fact that Barber is a waaaaaay better blocker, Barber's numbers demolish Grant when you consider his receiving yards. The same with LT, Gore and even Forte. The impact these RBs add to the game make them that much better than Grant. Once you add the receiving yards into the equation, these backs have way more than 2 100 yard games.

A top 15 back? Seeing as there are 32 teams in the league, that puts him right at the average mark, which I think he is. Now if more RBs in committees had as many carries as him, he'd fall further down the list. No one expected him to be a superstar back, but you think he deserves consideration as a top 10 back? Don't contradict yourself. A top 10 RB is a superstar in this league.

Grant is #6 in Rush Attempts, yet his 3.6 ypc number is near the bottom of the league. Don't give me yardage numbers to justify anything. He's gotten the rock a ton.

GB12 · 11-16-2008, 09:09 PM

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Grant is #6 in Rush Attempts, yet his 3.6 ypc number is near the bottom of the league. Don't give me yardage numbers to justify anything. He's gotten the rock a ton.

It's 3.9, the same as Marion Baber, better than LT, jesus christ did you not read this post?

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D-Unit has been bashing Grant when Barber, his guy, has done the same as Grant. And Barber was just one example. Grant has 140 more yards and a better ypc than LT. Seven less yards and a better ypc than Matt Forte. 187 yards and a better ypc than Jamal Lewis. 250 more yards and a better ypc than Marshawn Lynch. 290 yards and a better ypc than Willis Mcgahee. 386 yards and a better ypc than Edgerrin James. etc.

Bottom line: Not a fluke

bantx · 11-16-2008, 09:12 PM

That doesnt mean theyre better than Barber or LT. I still dont see what you're trying to get across. But i guess since he had the huge game today it doesnt make him a fluke...

D-Unit · 11-16-2008, 09:13 PM

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It's 3.9, the same as Marion Baber, better than LT, jesus christ did you not read this post?

I don't want to get into a fun debate when people get upset and take the fun out of it. I don't want to argue. It's 3.6 prior to the end of this weeks games.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/by...meframe=ToDate

Grant is not really that special. A lot of backs could do what he has done with that many attempts behind one of the best OLs in football. He hasn't done anything to convince me otherwise. ...yet.

GB12 · 11-16-2008, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

I don't want to get into a fun debate when people get upset and take the fun out of it. I don't want to argue. It's 3.6 prior to the end of this weeks games.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/by...meframe=ToDate

Grant is not really that special. A lot of backs could do what he has done with that many attempts behind one of the best OLs in football. He hasn't done anything to convince me otherwise. ...yet.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...S&d-447263-n=1 The updated stats.

As for the last comment, we have one of the best pass blocking lines in football (well at least we did), our run blocking has been bottom of the league ever since we let go of Wahle and Rivera.

Bruce Banner · 11-16-2008, 09:22 PM

The greatest thing Barber has done or will ever do.

GB12 · 11-16-2008, 09:25 PM

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A top 15 back? Seeing as there are 32 teams in the league, that puts him right at the average mark, which I think he is.

Exactly. Top 15 is not a fluke and he certainly doesn't compare to Tatum Bell and Cederic Benson like you have in the past.

Thank you. I win. :)