Ryan Grant a fluke? - Page 5

Don Vito · 11-16-2008, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Banner

The greatest thing Barber has done or will ever do.

That was crazy I was so pissed when that happened.

Bruce Banner · 11-16-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito

That was crazy I was so pissed when that happened.

I was pulling for NE so yeah, I wasn't happy.

PackerLegend · 11-16-2008, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

A lot of backs could do what he has done with that many attempts behind one of the best OLs in football.

dude way to overate them... At times they look pretty good, other times not so much. Pretty sure our line has been the most penalized. Anyways week 1 he was what 8 yards shy of 100? o wow! If not for abandoning the run in the Vikings game last he likely would have topped 100 same with the Titans.

Besides this is the fluke thread right? So therefore he would have to have a good year (last year) and suck balls the next. Hes on pace for a better year. So exactly hes a fluke how?

PACKmanN · 11-16-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

First off, let's not start to compare Barber to Grant cause you'll look silly and I want to avoid that.

Nice stat lines... but if you want to compare how good RBs are based off YPC, then Selvin Young, Jerious Norwood and Jamaal Charles are Gods.

It's must feel good to see Grant have his second 100 yard game, but he's an average back. Not the super star that many expected.

The only people in this world who thought he was going to be a superstar was the media, not one Packers' fan thought he was going to become a great or superstar running back in this league...

PackerLegend · 11-16-2008, 11:17 PM

Speaking of flukes Devin Hester anyone? Best returner maybe ever to very average. Let the excuses fly.

Bruce Banner · 11-16-2008, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PackerLegend

Speaking of flukes Devin Hester anyone? Best returner maybe ever to very average. Let the excuses fly.

Not necessarily a fluke....but the league adjusted well after getting some film.

His blocking may be nonexistent. Perhaps BF_51, BB, Sweetness, GWO, or AQ would like to explain it to us.

awfullyquiet · 11-17-2008, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Banner

Not necessarily a fluke....but the league adjusted well after getting some film.

His blocking may be nonexistent. Perhaps BF_51, BB, Sweetness, GWO, or AQ would like to explain it to us.

Is non-existent.

Brendon Ayenbadejo was a key blocker in the return schemes, he's gone
Hunter Hillenmeyer is a key blocker, he's been injured for the past 8 weeks.
McKie isn't playing as well and hester isn't playing as well.

What made the 2006 season nuts was that the ST's finished blocks. Now they can't even block.

Ryan Grant is still a fluke though. This game proves nothing.

TitleTown088 · 11-17-2008, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by awfullyquiet

Ryan Grant is still a fluke though. This game proves nothing.

Keep telling yourself that. It just may come true. Just like a premature Rex Grossman/Muhammad NFL probowl commercial...

awfullyquiet · 11-17-2008, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TitleTown088

Keep telling yourself that. It just may come true. Just like a premature Rex Grossman/Muhammad NFL probowl commercial...

what is the greater failure:

the packers offensive line or the bears defense?

Gay Ork Wang · 11-17-2008, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by PackerLegend

Speaking of flukes Devin Hester anyone? Best returner maybe ever to very average. Let the excuses fly.

as soon as devin is at the 18 there are at least 4 guys that are ready to make a tackle. I mean he is great, but not god

D-Unit · 11-17-2008, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GB12

Exactly. Top 15 is not a fluke and he certainly doesn't compare to Tatum Bell and Cederic Benson like you have in the past.

Thank you. I win. :)

You mean we both agree he's average? I guess we both win. ;)

He's a one year wonder who cashed in at the right time. All of a sudden he has excuses (like a poor run blocking OL, inflated expectations from the media, etc etc) while having all the chances in the world to show us more.

Don't tell me that all the Packers fans out there never expected him to be a superstar, then when I tell you that he's not a superstar, then you get all over me. That's ridiculous. I AGREE WITH YOU THAT HE WAS OVERHYPED!

tjsunstein · 11-17-2008, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

First off, let's not start to compare Barber to Grant cause you'll look silly and I want to avoid that.

Nice stat lines... but if you want to compare how good RBs are based off YPC, then Selvin Young, Jerious Norwood and Jamaal Charles are Gods.

It's must feel good to see Grant have his second 100 yard game, but he's an average back. Not the super star that many expected.

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Argh... if you want to, then fine. ...you can't compare Grant to Barber because Barber is a complete back. Besides the fact that Barber is a waaaaaay better blocker, Barber's numbers demolish Grant when you consider his receiving yards. The same with LT, Gore and even Forte. The impact these RBs add to the game make them that much better than Grant. Once you add the receiving yards into the equation, these backs have way more than 2 100 yard games.

A top 15 back? Seeing as there are 32 teams in the league, that puts him right at the average mark, which I think he is. Now if more RBs in committees had as many carries as him, he'd fall further down the list. No one expected him to be a superstar back, but you think he deserves consideration as a top 10 back? Don't contradict yourself. A top 10 RB is a superstar in this league.

Grant is #6 in Rush Attempts, yet his 3.6 ypc number is near the bottom of the league. Don't give me yardage numbers to justify anything. He's gotten the rock a ton.

Don't contradict yourself. Grant isn't a fluke no matter how you spin it. He's eighth in yards. That alone should erase ''fluke talk''

tjsunstein · 11-17-2008, 04:02 AM

He was the sexy pick to be the next best thing after his second half last year but he was a practice squad back how long ago? That's how the media works. You listen long enough you believe it.

TitleTown088 · 11-17-2008, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by awfullyquiet

what is the greater failure:

the packers offensive line or the bears defense?

Packers offensive line has really pissed me off this season. The only guy I've been impressed with is the guy many fans wanted to throw to the dogs (Colledge). However, the Packers offensive line manhandled the bears on Sunday, in embarrassing fashion.

ChezPower4 · 11-17-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by tjsunstein

He was the sexy pick to be the next best thing after his second half last year but he was a practice squad back how long ago? That's how the media works. You listen long enough you believe it.

ESPN did talk him up alot he's good but to me he's an above average starter

nrk · 11-17-2008, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

You mean we both agree he's average? I guess we both win. ;)

He's a one year wonder who cashed in at the right time. All of a sudden he has excuses (like a poor run blocking OL, inflated expectations from the media, etc etc) while having all the chances in the world to show us more.

Don't tell me that all the Packers fans out there never expected him to be a superstar, then when I tell you that he's not a superstar, then you get all over me. That's ridiculous. I AGREE WITH YOU THAT HE WAS OVERHYPED!

And the one where he missed training camp. Ryan Grant needs to do something in the first half of the season. Looking at the stats again, more like the first quarter of the season. He started off well against Minny with a 7.7 ypc and almost 100 yards, but 15 attempts for 20 yards against the Lions? Really? He also had 15 attempts for 20 yards against Tampa. He had 90 yards against Seattle, with a 2.7 ypc. I'd really like to see more passes to Grant. He only has 5 receptions. Maybe it was missing training camp, or maybe he just gets better as people start to wear down.

G-Men88 · 11-17-2008, 12:29 PM

He hasn't even had a full season as a starter yet, has been nagged by his hamstring and the packers o-line hasn't been particularly consistent. You all want to call someone something prematurely just hoping you turn out to be right. Lay off his nuts.

Boston · 11-17-2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Banner

The greatest thing Barber has done or will ever do.

The best part about that video was watching Harrison get dragged down by the facemask. Nice.

GB12 · 11-17-2008, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

You mean we both agree he's average? I guess we both win. ;)

He's a one year wonder who cashed in at the right time. All of a sudden he has excuses (like a poor run blocking OL, inflated expectations from the media, etc etc) while having all the chances in the world to show us more.

Well by saying he's average you're admitting he's not a fluke. I think we both agree he's at least average.

That's not all of a sudden. We've had a poor run blocking OL since 2006.

And how is he a one year wonder if he's 8th in rushing this year?

While having all the chances in the world to show us more? He had 950 yards in half a season last year and has 770 so far this year. You sir are the one who's expecting a superstar.

Gay Ork Wang · 11-18-2008, 07:35 AM

well Fluke was saying that he is a Top back he was touted to be and statistically he kinda was. So when people say he is a fluke means that he is nothing really special and average at best

G-Men88 · 11-18-2008, 03:29 PM

But the fact is he is not average at best. It would be very difficult to name 10 RB's that are definitely better than Ryan Grant in this league. And thats with this conversation being extremely premature too.

Gay Ork Wang · 11-18-2008, 03:33 PM

AP, Portis, Barber, Westbrook, Jacobs, Turner, Gore, LT, Lynch, Ronnie Brown, MJD, prolly Addai healthy, id actually take Chris Johnson and Matt Forte over him just like Bush but he is like a wild card

scottyboy · 11-18-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by *** Ork Wang

AP, Portis, Barber, Westbrook, Jacobs, Turner, Gore, LT, Lynch, Ronnie Brown, MJD, prolly Addai healthy, id actually take Chris Johnson and Matt Forte over him just like Bush but he is like a wild card

*ahem* you're forgetting a very important and sexy name, but I'll assume you assumed it was assumed he's better than everyone and is obviously better than Grant.

Gay Ork Wang · 11-18-2008, 03:38 PM

Brian Leonard is not a RB he is a god

TitleTown088 · 11-18-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by *** Ork Wang

AP, Portis, Barber, Westbrook, Jacobs, Turner, Gore, LT, Lynch, Ronnie Brown, MJD, prolly Addai healthy, id actually take Chris Johnson and Matt Forte over him just like Bush but he is like a wild card

Already proclaiming Forte over him? Talk about premature. How'd he fair against one of the worst rush defenses in the league last week?