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Old 11-14-2008, 12:42 AM    (permalink
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There's great players and there's busts. Thats it. The great players do all the work and carry the other guys on their back. The other guys are busts.
No in football it takes 11 players to be succesful. It is not the NBA where one or two great players can carry your team.
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Good post. Too many people want instant success from players, there's nothing wrong with sitting even a first rounder for a year to develop.
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Old 11-14-2008, 02:30 PM    (permalink
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There's great players and there's busts. Thats it. The great players do all the work and carry the other guys on their back. The other guys are busts.
if everyone was a bust, they'd all be playing as bad as... mandarich did... but then again, look at what mandarich did in his second NFL stint... he played unremarkable, but he was up to par with being an NFL lineman.

bust. yeah. sure. i'll grant you that, he never lived up to being anything great as dictated by his position in the draft, and he failed out of football the first time. that's a bust. the fact that he was able to return to football though shows some tenacity.

but, overall, if you're a bust, you won't make it into a starting lineup. if you were projected to make it to first team, and you don't, you're a bust. if you do and you're severely subpar, but only starting because you're better than the replacement player. and it's been a few years (normally 3-4 years)... with no sign of improvement. you're a bust.

that's why mandarich is called a bust. cedric benson is a bust. someone like Mike Mamula is a bust. by your logic. right now. edge is a bust. because he's not a 'great' player. and i think that's farther from the truth than could be.
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I think people don't take into account that you can shed the bust label. You also can get it put on you. Like Kam Wimbley is flirting with right now. Not saying he is, but thats what I have been hearing.
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We all know Vernon Gholston is a bust..... He has a whopping 10 tackles this year..... Can't get off a block for his life! Well he still has a chance to be something, Lawerance Taylor is going to mentor him. So hopefully he turns it around. But he looks like a bust. And if anyone says its because he is playing OLB you are wrong! He plays DE a lot of the time, was getting lots of playing time on passing downs as a pass rusher. Couldn't do anything so they gave him less playing time.
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We all know Vernon Gholston is a bust..... He has a whopping 10 tackles this year..... Can't get off a block for his life! Well he still has a chance to be something, Lawerance Taylor is going to mentor him. So hopefully he turns it around. But he looks like a bust. And if anyone says its because he is playing OLB you are wrong! He plays DE a lot of the time, was getting lots of playing time on passing downs as a pass rusher. Couldn't do anything so they gave him less playing time.
They have dropped him back in coverage a lot this year. They haven't used as rusher that much this year.
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They have dropped him back in coverage a lot this year. They haven't used as rusher that much this year.
Yes they have..... You just don't notice it because he gets stop at the line and can't create any pressure. The dude has no moves to disengage off of a defender. He just hugs the OL.
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Well they said if he gets great coaching he could develop into a very good player. He is still raw and needs some time. Calling him a bust right now is ridiculous.
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