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Old 11-18-2008, 03:42 PM    (permalink
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Brian Leonard is not a RB he is a god
yes, I was referring to Ray Rice.

I consider Brian Leonard a god/awesomeback.

I'm going to apologize for my immense homerism today. I got a letter from RU today saying they got my application and I'll be hearing if I got in or not around christmas. I've got RU on the mind today!!!
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Old 11-18-2008, 03:56 PM    (permalink
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Already proclaiming Forte over him? Talk about premature. How'd he fair against one of the worst rush defenses in the league last week?
he still got 100 yards from scrimmage
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he still got 100 yards from scrimmage
And how many did Ryan Grant get vs a "premier" rush defense? 151 total plus a TD.

How many yards were opposing teams back averaging vs GB prior to this game?
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Old 11-18-2008, 04:21 PM    (permalink
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because the ******* bears tried to be fancy and played 3-3-5s

Forte has about the same amount of yardage rushing wise, but receiving and fumbles...
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Old 11-18-2008, 04:22 PM    (permalink
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Excuses are like...
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Old 11-19-2008, 02:31 PM    (permalink
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i mean even with that game he still has better stats than grant
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AP, Portis, Barber, Westbrook, Jacobs, Turner, Gore, LT, Lynch, Ronnie Brown, MJD, prolly Addai healthy, id actually take Chris Johnson and Matt Forte over him just like Bush but he is like a wild card
AP, Portis, Barber, Westbrook, Jacobs, Turner, Lynch, Addai all have better offensive lines. Jacobs, Lynch, MJD are debatable and very iffy. Get out of here with the Chris Johnson, Matt Forte business.

Stop letting homerism blind you. I as a Giants fan am admitting Grant might be a better RB than Jacobs. He hasn't even finished his first season as a starter yet and he's already a fluke? We really are an impatient society.
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Old 11-19-2008, 02:34 PM    (permalink
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how is the Atlanta, Buffalo and Colts OLine better than the Packers Oline?
and how are say Jacobs and MJD debatable?
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how is the Atlanta, Buffalo and Colts OLine better than the Packers Oline?
and how are say Jacobs and MJD debatable?
Because the Packers Oline has played terrible run-blocking until the last few games.
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As a pure runner, Ryan Grant is not a fluke. He's a very good back that can carry the rock as much per game as any back in the league, wear out defenses and pick up yards.

As far as being a complete back, Grant is not. He doesn't catch the ball out of the backfield AT ALL, which is really disappointing considering that eliminates one potential safety valve from our offense.

As a blocker he's mediocre at best.

Thankfully, we also have Brandon Jackson who is a decent runner in his own right and a bit of a receiving threat (although certainly no where in the ballpark of a LT or Forte or Marion Barber, etc..).

I hope Grant can work on that and figure out how to be an effective receiver or it'll always be a bit of a lack of dimension on our offense.
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AP, Portis, Barber, Westbrook, Jacobs, Turner, Lynch, Addai all have better offensive lines. Jacobs, Lynch, MJD are debatable and very iffy. Get out of here with the Chris Johnson, Matt Forte business.

Stop letting homerism blind you. I as a Giants fan am admitting Grant might be a better RB than Jacobs. He hasn't even finished his first season as a starter yet and he's already a fluke? We really are an impatient society.
You're kidding about Lynch, right? The Bills run blocking is at or near the bottom of the league this year. He sees maybe a couple holes per game, otherwise its 2 yards and a wall of defenders or 2 yards and then 6 yards of him pushing 21 other players with his legs...Lynch is probably a top 10 back in the league and probably among the top 5 in terms of effort. The guy is just a straight baller.
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AP, Portis, Barber, Westbrook, Jacobs, Turner, Lynch, Addai all have better offensive lines. Jacobs, Lynch, MJD are debatable and very iffy. Get out of here with the Chris Johnson, Matt Forte business.

Stop letting homerism blind you. I as a Giants fan am admitting Grant might be a better RB than Jacobs. He hasn't even finished his first season as a starter yet and he's already a fluke? We really are an impatient society.
I'm a packers fan and there's no way that's true. How do you figure that Grant is better than Jacobs?

Braylon Edwards might be better than Andre Johnson..... give me a break
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If Grant is better than Jacobs why was he on the Giants practice squad???
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That's like saying, if Tom Brady is better than Chad Pennington, why was he drafted later?
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That's like saying, if Tom Brady is better than Chad Pennington, why was he drafted later?
no its not the same since they werent in the same surrounding. THe same would be if u said: And thats why Grant was a UDFA?
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Brian Leonard was a god in college, and he's nothing more than a hobo in the NFL.


Very injury prone, and just not good.
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If Grant is better than Jacobs why was he on the Giants practice squad???
Could be many reasons. HOw well did he learn Gilbride's playbook? Does he know all his routes and reads? What about pass protection? We have a good OL, but that's not all of why we are successful. You have to draw up good pass protections, in terms of 1, 3, 5, and 7 step drops. The backs are crucial for pass protection. So alot depends on that as well. There are many reasons why that I am sure only the coaches would know.
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Very injury prone, and just not good.
What does that have to do with anything? And it's not like you couldn't see that coming.
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As a pure runner, Ryan Grant is not a fluke. He's a very good back that can carry the rock as much per game as any back in the league, wear out defenses and pick up yards.

As far as being a complete back, Grant is not. He doesn't catch the ball out of the backfield AT ALL, which is really disappointing considering that eliminates one potential safety valve from our offense.

As a blocker he's mediocre at best.

Thankfully, we also have Brandon Jackson who is a decent runner in his own right and a bit of a receiving threat (although certainly no where in the ballpark of a LT or Forte or Marion Barber, etc..).

I hope Grant can work on that and figure out how to be an effective receiver or it'll always be a bit of a lack of dimension on our offense.
I hope Jackson or Grant become better recievers. Part of the philosphy, i guess you could say, for a west coast offense is being able to get Rb's involved in the passing game. I guess we're not a true west coast either tho.

Wasnt Grant playing with a bad hamstring to begin with this year?
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yes, I was referring to Ray Rice.

I consider Brian Leonard a god/awesomeback.

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