QB Jason Boltus, D3 Hartwick College - Page 2

Ward · 11-18-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by themaninblack

Pretty sure DeDe Dorsey is from either D3 or NAIA.

Boss+Manning=Banning · 11-18-2008, 12:33 PM

We played them last season.. Good school. We got beat.

BeerBaron · 11-18-2008, 12:56 PM

Lindenwood where Dorsey went sure is NAIA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindenw...Athletic_Teams

Ward · 11-18-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

Lindenwood where Dorsey went sure is NAIA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindenw...Athletic_Teams

There's a whole world of NAIA football that I never knew existed. I am an incomplete man.

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006 · 11-18-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ward

There's a whole world of NAIA football that I never knew existed. I am an incomplete man.

Carroll of Montana usually dominated NAIA football.

bored of education · 11-18-2008, 07:03 PM

This guy might be as good as Tyler Thigpen. Maybe the Chiefs sign him as UDFA to groom under the greatness that is TYLER THIGPEN!

BeerBaron · 11-18-2008, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bored of education

This guy might be as good as Tyler Thigpen. Maybe the Chiefs sign him as UDFA to groom under the greatness that is TYLER THIGPEN!

While they're at it they should just sign every non D-1A QB and let them duke it out, lol

bored of education · 11-18-2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

While they're at it they should just sign every non D-1A QB and let them duke it out, lol

YES, great call. I will contact Clark Hunt to hire you as GM.

WinslowEdwards19 · 11-20-2008, 09:51 PM

Come on guys.. Nate Washington out of Tiffin University? Probably the smallest school player in the NFL.

Smokey Joe · 11-20-2008, 10:48 PM

I can see why some people would play D-III, but it's beyond me why anyone would play in NAIA, unless they really love football but they suck at it.

The best player in the NFL currently to come out of a D-III school in London Fletcher, he's from John Carrol University. That's also where Don Shula and Josh McDaniels (Pats OC) went.

JLaw45 · 11-21-2008, 04:44 PM

I'll bet I can give you guys THE smallest school player still in the NFL and arguably a guy who might have been the biggest longshot to stick around at the onset of his career. Nate Washington isn't even close.

Ladies and genetlemen, I give you Casey Fitzsimmons!

I've always loved to follow small scholers, so this guy has been one of my favorite players. He made the Lions' roster undrafted in 2003 and has stuck around ever since. He's an H-Back with 5 total touchdown catches in his career. Good special teamer to. Where'd he come from?

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Carroll College!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_College_(Montana)

Enrollment? A whopping 1400 students. That's almost half the size of tiffin. Yes, it is that small. Located in Helena, Montana. It is probably the most dominant NAIA football school.

draftnut1988 · 11-24-2008, 10:12 PM

He's playing in the East Coast Bowl

ljk2171 · 11-25-2008, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

D3 is pretty much high school football. My buddies D3 team would have gotten destroyed by our high school team.

This is a ridiculous statement. I played for a nationally ranked high school team then moved on to a top 20 division III team and you can't even compare the two. The high school team had 7-8 division 1/1AA players and still would have had their doors blown off, let's face it a 26 year old is competing with a 21 year old 99% of the time. I'm sure there are several top high school programs (Long Beach Poly, De LaSalle, Jenks, etc...) who would beat the newer DIII and some of the programs who only have 30-35 kids. But if you put them on the field with Mount Union, Wesley, or Trinity, they're going to get clobbered. It's kind of like the old top college team can beat the worst NFL team, it just wouldn't happen.

A lot of the colleges mentioned above like Shippensburg (D2), Coastal Carolina (D1AA) aren't D3, but I would venture to say there are at least 10-12 D3 players in the NFL. Off the top of my head Pierre Garcon, Fred Jackson, Matt Turk, Byron Westbrook, London Fletcher, Derek Stanley, and Nate Jackson.

M.O.T.H. · 11-25-2008, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ljk2171

This is a ridiculous statement. I played for a nationally ranked high school team then moved on to a top 20 division III team and you can't even compare the two. The high school team had 7-8 division 1/1AA players and still would have had their doors blown off, let's face it a 26 year old is competing with a 21 year old 99% of the time. I'm sure there are several top high school programs (Long Beach Poly, De LaSalle, Jenks, etc...) who would beat the newer DIII and some of the programs who only have 30-35 kids. But if you put them on the field with Mount Union, Wesley, or Trinity, they're going to get clobbered. It's kind of like the old top college team can beat the worst NFL team, it just wouldn't happen.

A lot of the colleges mentioned above like Shippensburg (D2), Coastal Carolina (D1AA) aren't D3, but I would venture to say there are at least 10-12 D3 players in the NFL. Off the top of my head Pierre Garcon, Fred Jackson, Matt Turk, Byron Westbrook, London Fletcher, Derek Stanley, and Nate Jackson.

Well, I wasnt speaking of the Mount Union's and Trinity's of the world...average D3 talent is poor. Most of those schools allow ANY player to play for them. Kids who never suit up or start in high school can just walk right on one of these schools, no problem. I have a good 20+ former teammates on D3 schools...some of which are starring at the level and were god awful players. No offense at all but, the average D3 school is barely a step up from a good-great High School team. I've made my rounds when I was player...visited D3, D2, 1-AA schools. I had zero interest in playing D3 football...Again, i wasnt talking d3 powerhouses some of which should be playing at higher levels, the schools that get some d1-aa run off, I was talking more so about the average D3 team. That consists of a few good players and a whole lot of kids that werent any good in high school. Division 3 has never impressed me and i have many current D3 players that would tend to agree w/ me. We've had many dicussions on the talent level...of course, they're playing on pretty average teams but, that is what i'm talking about here.

Smokey Joe · 11-25-2008, 09:06 PM

NAIA is more comparable to high school football.

D-III, it depends on the team, and such. Like a Mount Union could easily be in D-IAA, IMO. But then you have some schools that don't have a lot of players, and just aren't that good. I'm getting recruited by some D-III schools right now, and none of them really appeal to me, as I want to go some place with top competition. I'm hoping the D-II schools start coming soon, and I still have hope to play at a D-IAA school.

BeerBaron · 11-25-2008, 11:13 PM

I go to a D2 school and quite honestly.....the team is terrible. I think they just finished a 1-9 season or something asinine like that. They did get their first win since I think 06 though, lol.

Smokey Joe · 11-25-2008, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

I go to a D2 school and quite honestly.....the team is terrible. I think they just finished a 1-9 season or something asinine like that. They did get their first win since I think 06 though, lol.

well, then there's crappy teams like that in all levels. I would bet Mount Union could be very competitive in the Sun-Belt conference. Then again, Mount Union has pretty much every D-I prospect that has been kicked out in the past couple of years...

BeerBaron · 11-25-2008, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Smokey Joe

well, then there's crappy teams like that in all levels. I would bet Mount Union could be very competitive in the Sun-Belt conference. Then again, Mount Union has pretty much every D-I prospect that has been kicked out in the past couple of years...

Yeah, I agree.....and I know a lot of people say this is impossible, but I would have taken the USC team of the Leinart-Bush-White-Jarrett-etc days over the current Lions.

So it even reaches the pros, lol

ljk2171 · 11-26-2008, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

Yeah, I agree.....and I know a lot of people say this is impossible, but I would have taken the USC team of the Leinart-Bush-White-Jarrett-etc days over the current Lions.

So it even reaches the pros, lol

Ummm.....they shouldn't have beaten Notre Dame, the Lions would have scored 70 on them.

ljk2171 · 11-26-2008, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

Well, I wasnt speaking of the Mount Union's and Trinity's of the world...average D3 talent is poor. Most of those schools allow ANY player to play for them. Kids who never suit up or start in high school can just walk right on one of these schools, no problem. I have a good 20+ former teammates on D3 schools...some of which are starring at the level and were god awful players. No offense at all but, the average D3 school is barely a step up from a good-great High School team. I've made my rounds when I was player...visited D3, D2, 1-AA schools. I had zero interest in playing D3 football...Again, i wasnt talking d3 powerhouses some of which should be playing at higher levels, the schools that get some d1-aa run off, I was talking more so about the average D3 team. That consists of a few good players and a whole lot of kids that werent any good in high school. Division 3 has never impressed me and i have many current D3 players that would tend to agree w/ me. We've had many dicussions on the talent level...of course, they're playing on pretty average teams but, that is what i'm talking about here.

I certainly agree with you to an extent, the Mount Ida's of the world currently aren't in a position to turn down players for whatever reason. Currently I coach at a slightly better than .500 high school team in one of the better leagues in Pennsylvania, which is one of the top states for high school football. And I can tell you that we have maybe 2-3 kids who could play at the Division 3 level, a few more could probably be on a roster at some of the lesser programs, but I doubt many would play.

Not to beat a deadhorse, but you can take a team like Widener which was 4-6 and have them play North Penn, which is rated #4 in the East by USA Today and I can tell you the game would be over long before half-time with Widener on top. Basically 99.9% of kids who were not good players in high school, they are not going to walk into even an average division 3 program and become a star or a starter.

thatguy97 · 12-03-2008, 11:33 PM

i watched all of Jason Boltus games he is nasty. he trows the ball a mile with accuracy and has great touch. i saw one pass he was running towards the side line and threw the the ball 40 yards across his body and hit the wr in stride it was amazing. and if u wanna see a work out freak watch this kid work out.

Awskeet44 · 12-07-2008, 10:55 PM

This kid is the real deal, I am a Hartwick Alum. He transferred to Hartwick after playing at I-A, or AA Albany. Now as far as the translation to the pro level I am sure it will be a pretty big shock and who knows how well he will do. However, with the dearth of Division 1 busts in the NFL and how hard up ALOT of teams are for QBs I wouldn't be suprised to see someone take a chance on a kid like Boltus - he has all the physical tools and I am pretty sure SOMEONE will give him a shot drafted or undrafted. You guys should see him play lacrosse, he was just as dominant if not more!

GBahDunka · 12-07-2008, 11:00 PM

this guy is a lesser version of barrick nealy which couldnt make it pro

Hokie's#1 · 12-07-2008, 11:37 PM

I love Boltus. I hope he gets drafted in round 7. I've heard nothing but good things about him. Trust me he'll get his shot and if he doesn't succeed at least he got his shot. Also the Chiefs Andy Studebaker came from D3 Wheaton in Illinois.

Ward · 12-08-2008, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GBahDunka

this guy is a lesser version of barrick nealy which couldnt make it pro

I don't really understand why Nealy wasn't cut out for the pros. From what I hear he made the mistake of agreeing to sign as a WR with the Vikings, and (of course) looked lost because they weren't going to take the time to teach him what he should be doing. I still think that if clowns like J.P. Losman and Tavaris Jackson and Chris Simms can make it, Nealy could have.