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Old 11-24-2008, 03:43 PM    (permalink
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fair enough, although brady also had a pro bowl receiver in his first season.

this isn't directed at you, but i'm fairly sick of people acting like the patriots that year were somehow talent bereft. that's incredibly dishonest and/or delusional.
This is true. And it's also true that the Pats were mostly a running team who won with great defensive performances in 2001.

But to say that Brady stepping into that 2001 offense is even remotely comparable to Cassell taking the reigns of the most prolific offense in the history of the NFL is just crazy.
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fair enough, although brady also had a pro bowl receiver in his first season.

this isn't directed at you, but i'm fairly sick of people acting like the patriots that year were somehow talent bereft. that's incredibly dishonest and/or delusional.
Yeah i wasnt taking offense, I remeber that year, last year while everyone was picking up Moss and Welker Jerseys, I asked for a Brown Jersey as i hadnt gotten his up until then. I actually preferred having an amzing Defense over our Pass happy offense, winning games 13-9 and such were fun to watch. The goal line stand against Indy was one of the most exciting football games ive ever had the pleasure of watching.
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i'm not sold that cassel is as good as or better than brady was at a similar point. and i'm EXTREMELY sure that i wouldn't give him the mega contract he's likely to get in the off season. however, some people here are 1) dramatically overstating how good brady was his first season and 2) dramatically overstating the realistic, 'tangible' differences between the two teams.
I completely agree with #1. What makes Tom Brady what he is isn't how he played in 2001, it's how he progressed after that point. And we're assured of no such thing with Cassell.

But I completely disagree with your second point. The New England defense has stayed mostly the same over the years, and I think one of the great accomplishments I've seen in football this decade has been how well they've plugged holes. But the difference between the offense, both personnel-wise and schematically, between 2006 and 2007 is drastic, much less between 2007 and that 2001 team. Brady ran an I formation offense with almost all the offensive pressure put on the run attack his first year, while 2007 and 2008 have featured very few sets featuring less than 3 wide receivers, a ton of shotgun snaps, and a spread attack style routes from the pass catchers. The difference between Josh McDaniels' offense and Charlie Weis' cannot be understated.

On one hand, what Cassell has done in his first year is almost more impressive. One less starting experience and (I personally believe) less talent, he's managed to direct a passing attack that has been top notch at times. But do not make the mistake of thinking that the one thing that drove that offense last year was Tom Brady. It wasn't. He's been there since 2001. The difference was schematic and it was the added personnel.
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