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Old 08-14-2008, 01:17 AM    (permalink
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I'm a firm believer that this is why so many Super Bowl winners fail to repeat or even make the playoffs. Even NE failed miserably in their second try.
While the players on teams that came very close to making it to the Super Bowl spend the off season in the gym getting ready for next season, the Giant's players are spending the off season going on the banquet cuircut for which they are paid hansomely. By ther time training camp rolls around, they've not stayed in shape and have a lot of conditioning to do to get back into shape. It usually means a poor start to the season and a hard route to the playoffs.
If you think there is a different reason why Super Bowl teams play poorly the following season then give me a better explanation.
I'm not trying to give you a better explanation. But from someone who pays a lot of attention to where players are appearing in the area, I will tell you that this shouldn't be a problem for the Giants. The only one who really seemd to cash in or take advantage of this was David Tyree. And aside from the absolutely amazing catch, he really isn't a huge contributor to the team. Kevin Boss seemed to a bit as well, but he is in ridiculous shape compared to last year.
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That wouldn't explain why superbowl losers have been even worse than the winners the past 10 years.
Well, the losers get a huge amount of banquet requests as well but given the condition of the NFC over the last decade, it's difficult to find a team capable of repeating anyways. It has pretty well been an AFC winner until last year.
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Jake Long is a great lineman...but this isn't the Big 10 anymore...He is going to get beat this season....and really I'm not going to put a ton of blame on him...but when you have to cover up your #1 overall pick by running the ball 30 times a game I have trouble justifying the selection. Sparano is a hell of a coach and if anyone can get the most out of Long it will be him...but I just don't think his feet were as nimble as advertised
How is running the ball "covering up" the #1 pick if his strongest suit is run blocking? This makes zero sense. Parcells likes smashmouth football. It truly is amazing. The guy gets beat for two sacks in four years and "his feet aren't nimble enough". Meanwhile, Ryan Clady is a turnstile in pass protection (8.5 sacks allowed last year in the ******* WAC and it's ZOMGZ POTENTIAL!!!!!!!

But yes, I'm going to need an explanation how running the ball is covering up your #1 pick
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How is running the ball "covering up" the #1 pick if his strongest suit is run blocking? This makes zero sense. Parcells likes smashmouth football. It truly is amazing. The guy gets beat for two sacks in four years and "his feet aren't nimble enough". Meanwhile, Ryan Clady is a turnstile in pass protection (8.5 sacks allowed last year in the ******* WAC and it's ZOMGZ POTENTIAL!!!!!!!

But yes, I'm going to need an explanation how running the ball is covering up your #1 pick
Running the ball is covering up his weakness not his strongsuit. I think you misunderstood what I wrote. By running the ball over and over again...It keeps him from having to go against elite pass rushers in pass protection less.

The difference between Long and Clady is...Long's footwork is already closer to perfection...however if both were at the same level in terms of footwork Clady would clearly be the better pass blocking tackle.

Don't get me wrong I have no problem with Long as a tackle in this league. However going up against guys like Freeney/Ware/Merriman's in the league is where he is going to be exposed. I have no problem having him go one on one with an average to above-average DE in the league throughout his career...I'm just not sold that he can go against elite guys at any point in his career without help from backs and TEs. Now granted most elite pass rushers are schemed around anyways..I'm just saying if your drafted #1 overall this shouldn't be a concern anytime in your future...and for me it's a concern.
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If Jake Long lost to App State he has no hope in the NFL. Plus, they took Henne too. That's a double whammy.
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If Jake Long lost to App State he has no hope in the NFL. Plus, they took Henne too. That's a double whammy.
Yes, because that was clearly Long and Henne's faults. Not like they were instrumental in putting up 32 points. When you score 32, you should win. Long dominated the ASU DL. Nice try at a wisecrack though.
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Yes, because that was clearly Long and Henne's faults. Not like they were instrumental in putting up 32 points. When you score 32, you should win. Long dominated the ASU DL. Nice try at a wisecrack though.
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Running the ball is covering up his weakness not his strongsuit. I think you misunderstood what I wrote. By running the ball over and over again...It keeps him from having to go against elite pass rushers in pass protection less.

The difference between Long and Clady is...Long's footwork is already closer to perfection...however if both were at the same level in terms of footwork Clady would clearly be the better pass blocking tackle.

Don't get me wrong I have no problem with Long as a tackle in this league. However going up against guys like Freeney/Ware/Merriman's in the league is where he is going to be exposed. I have no problem having him go one on one with an average to above-average DE in the league throughout his career...I'm just not sold that he can go against elite guys at any point in his career without help from backs and TEs. Now granted most elite pass rushers are schemed around anyways..I'm just saying if your drafted #1 overall this shouldn't be a concern anytime in your future...and for me it's a concern.
I couldn't agree less. Long is a perfect fit in Miami's offense. In their offense the Freeney's, Ware's and Merriman will have a lot more difficulty with his run blocking than he have with pass blocking them. Any team playing Miami has to know that Miami will run to set up the pass and DE's playing Miami are going to have to stop the run before they will ever see an opportunity to rush the passer. When Miami finally does pass, the league DE's will be too caught up in playing the run to have much of an opportunity to tee off on rushing the passer. Miami isn't hiding Long's weaknesses, they are simply utilizing his strengths and attacking pass rushing DE's weaknesses. Sure, in third and long, Miami may be at a disadvantage but what team/LT isn't in that situation.
Long leadership and run blocking skills will more than make up for any shortcomings in Miami's Offense.
Clady is never going to be able to match Long's ability to run block however in his offensive scheme with zone blocking he can be very effective and he will probavbly be a better pass blocker than Long, but if you put Clady on Miami, he wouldn't be very good as a LT who needs to be able to maul the DE facing him to consistantly open holes in a running attack, he'd be lost. Each HC has players who fit his style of play and they often aren't interchangable.
Parcells knew what he wanted in a LT and Long fit his scheme perfectly and based on his success as a winner, it's hard to argue he doesn't know what he is doing.
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I couldn't agree less. Long is a perfect fit in Miami's offense. In their offense the Freeney's, Ware's and Merriman will have a lot more difficulty with his run blocking than he have with pass blocking them. Any team playing Miami has to know that Miami will run to set up the pass and DE's playing Miami are going to have to stop the run before they will ever see an opportunity to rush the passer. When Miami finally does pass, the league DE's will be too caught up in playing the run to have much of an opportunity to tee off on rushing the passer. Miami isn't hiding Long's weaknesses, they are simply utilizing his strengths and attacking pass rushing DE's weaknesses. Sure, in third and long, Miami may be at a disadvantage but what team/LT isn't in that situation.
Long leadership and run blocking skills will more than make up for any shortcomings in Miami's Offense.
Clady is never going to be able to match Long's ability to run block however in his offensive scheme with zone blocking he can be very effective and he will probavbly be a better pass blocker than Long, but if you put Clady on Miami, he wouldn't be very good as a LT who needs to be able to maul the DE facing him to consistantly open holes in a running attack, he'd be lost. Each HC has players who fit his style of play and they often aren't interchangable.
Parcells knew what he wanted in a LT and Long fit his scheme perfectly and based on his success as a winner, it's hard to argue he doesn't know what he is doing.
Ware will have no such problem with his run blocking. He is going to be god style DOPY this year and for the next 6. Didn't you get the memo.
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Yes, because that was clearly Long and Henne's faults. Not like they were instrumental in putting up 32 points. When you score 32, you should win. Long dominated the ASU DL. Nice try at a wisecrack though.
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I couldn't agree less. Long is a perfect fit in Miami's offense. In their offense the Freeney's, Ware's and Merriman will have a lot more difficulty with his run blocking than he have with pass blocking them. Any team playing Miami has to know that Miami will run to set up the pass and DE's playing Miami are going to have to stop the run before they will ever see an opportunity to rush the passer. When Miami finally does pass, the league DE's will be too caught up in playing the run to have much of an opportunity to tee off on rushing the passer. Miami isn't hiding Long's weaknesses, they are simply utilizing his strengths and attacking pass rushing DE's weaknesses. Sure, in third and long, Miami may be at a disadvantage but what team/LT isn't in that situation.
Long leadership and run blocking skills will more than make up for any shortcomings in Miami's Offense.
Clady is never going to be able to match Long's ability to run block however in his offensive scheme with zone blocking he can be very effective and he will probavbly be a better pass blocker than Long, but if you put Clady on Miami, he wouldn't be very good as a LT who needs to be able to maul the DE facing him to consistantly open holes in a running attack, he'd be lost. Each HC has players who fit his style of play and they often aren't interchangable.
Parcells knew what he wanted in a LT and Long fit his scheme perfectly and based on his success as a winner, it's hard to argue he doesn't know what he is doing.
I have some disagreements...but overall I can see where your coming from on most of it.

Just one thing to nitpick....name one Parcells OL pick in the past 5 years that has amounted to anything.
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#1) Packers need no Faver
Well I figured you couldn't have a NFL truths up at this time of the year without starting it off with the biggest thing to hit the USA since sliced bread. The Green Bay Packers are once again going to be the class of the NFC North. Lets face it...they have a ton of weapons...even adding addition of Jordy Nelson to the equation. The young RB's have had another offseason in the weight room and in the film room. Aaron Rodgers has been sitting for 3 years...if he wasn't the answer now he never was going to be. Bottom line is this team is one of the youngest in the NFL....and although they lost a HOF QB...this team shouldn't fall off with his departure. We are talking about a team that has depth...studs in key positions and has something to prove. The only weakness I see on this team is the talent in the deep secondary...I'm not sure if Collins is going to go back to the playmaker he was in his rookie year. Now I'm not stupid enough to think the packers are going to pull off another 13-3 season...but that has nothing to do with the loss of farve...and everything to do with the other teams in their division improving. I'm think 10 or 11 wins...gets them the 2nd seed in the Playoffs and a NFL North Division Championship.
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So many of us were excited on draft day. Yet when you think back to the draft you realize that the top 3 offensive picks really are going to have to exceed expectations to even be in the running for OROY this year. Jake Long is a great lineman...but this isn't the Big 10 anymore...He is going to get beat this season....and really I'm not going to put a ton of blame on him...but when you have to cover up your #1 overall pick by running the ball 30 times a game I have trouble justifying the selection. Sparano is a hell of a coach and if anyone can get the most out of Long it will be him...but I just don't think his feet were as nimble as advertised...which isn't a big deal...but against the elite rushers in the league he just isn't going to have a chance. Matt Ryan...this was a great pick for the Falcons but this is going to be like almost every other rookie qb in the league their rookie year...total abuse. Now Ryan is intelligent which will help...but nothing is going to keep him from getting beat up behind that patchy line...and just going along the progression almost all starting rookie qb's go through. I'm looking for about 60% completion percentage and about 50/50 td:int ratio his first year. Lastly Darren McFadden...as a cowboys fan I had to hear about this all year long...but I really can't get over the fact that the raiders took him. We are talking about a guy playing a position where it's been well documented you can find production later and cheaper...yet he goes top three to a team that already had 3 efficient runners. Now idk if Fargas is as dynamic as DMac...but I do know that Fargas is more productive per dollar. And crazy al really is crazy in my mind...I just don't see enough touches going around...and if I draft a RB top 3 I'm going to try to get the ball in his hands atleast 18-20 times a game...and I'm not sure if McFadden is going to see that this year or not. I loved DMac as a prospect but I absolutely hate the fit.
Debatable about Long...he definately wasn't abused this year...so I'll take a wrong on this one too.

Ryan was OROTY....but I was close on his numbers...I wasn't expecting that great of a running game which sort of skewed the numbers...but he went 16/11....completing 61% of his passes...close for me but no cigar.

Dmac was quite disappointing for me this year...as I predicted he might. Only rushed for more than 50 yards in a game once this year...and that was against the lowly chiefs in week two. Had more than 15 carries only once and that was in that KC game....Fargus/Bush were plenty fine to get it done this year.
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I'm not talking about the NFC East tho...I'm talking about the soon to be most improved division in football. The patriots are the cream of the crop in the NFL...no use telling you guys stuff you already know. But I'm extremely high on the dolphins and Bills this year. The Jets with the addition of Brett Farve only get better. Every team in that division this year has improved...and I'm looking at a big turn around for the dolphins...7-9 is a distinct possibility which is huge in a division where you play the pats twice a year. The Bills are a team I really began to follow last year...and it seemed every game they played was within 3 points either way. I'm looking for more consistency out of the QB position in Buffalo and I see no reason why they can't make a bid into the playoffs. The wild card into making this division a success is the Jets. Now I'm not one of those naive Farve fans that think that the Jets are now legit super bowl contenders...but the team is young and if the defense can take it to the next level Farve should at least be able to keep the running game easier with his presence alone on the field.
I'm not sure if it was the best division on football this year...but it did make a climb....the Brady injury hurt this division but at the same time helped it....too bad for buffalo's late season collapse otherwise I would have looked much smarter.
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4) Brady Quinn where can he win?
I was a huge Brady Quinn fan when he came out...loved what I heard about him last offseason and then WHAM...Anderson comes in and lights it up. Anderson doesn't look like he is letting up either. Although he had a down end of the season last year...something like more INT's then TD's in his last 8 games he got his new 3 year deal in feburary...and you got to believe that the browns love his gamer mentality. The knock on Quinn I've been hearing this offseason is not being aggressive enough...choosing to check down rather than force it. Now if Anderson struggles the first five or so games in Cleveland this year I think we see Quinn get his shot...but to be honest...with that much talent on offense I find it hard to believe a QB wouldn't be able to win with that team. Although we can't overlook the loss of Big Joe at WR...as he was there 3rd down machine with his size...something that has seemingly gone unreplaced(not a word) this offseason.
Pretty close on this one...Anderson did flop and Quinn came in....the injury left us wondering what's next but....I'd like to say that losing Joe really did show it's head this year....Bray was not good this year...and Winslow had issues during the season...atleast the OL still looks good.
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Yes I am going ahead and predicting the first playoff victory for the cowboys in 12 years. The reason is...they are due...they have outplayed their opponents in there last two appearances and came away just short both times. They have upgraded their biggest weakness (cb) and made it a strength with the additions of Pacman/Jenkins/Scandrick. The brought in veteran leadership to a team that has really been lacking in that department on the defensive side of that ball in Zach Thomas. They picked up a better compliment for MB3 in Felix Jones...and on top of that they resigned all their targeted team FA's this offseason. We are talking about marquee guys like Flozell Adams/Terrell Owens/Terrence Newman/Marion Barber/Ken Hamlin these guys are key components...and oh yea did I mention that we also retained our offensive coordinator Jason Garrett? What about the addition in the secondary with coach Dave Campo? All and all this team has no excuse not to execute this year...and they will be the cream of the crop in the NFC 12-4.
I hate the damn homer goggles. BF...feel free to come out and say you told me so....just a failure to execute this year. The players didn't play as a team...and losing romo for 4 games really hurt.
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Thats what I think about when I watch TV nowadays...no one seems to be talking about the Steelers. And this is really a crying shame. If you look at the division who do they really have? The Bengals still have a porous defense the ravens are undergoing a new coaching staff change....with either Troy Smith or Kyle Boller as their starter? The Browns are up and coming...but that defense still isn't going to keep them in ballgames against the elite teams. Bottomline is the Steelers are good...and sure people are making a deal about losing some peices on the offensive line...but they added another RB to the mix...have a healthy Willie Parker...Holmes and Ben seem to have upped their game to another level and Ward is still Ward. I'm not expecting much of a change at all this year for the Steelers offense...I mean it's not like big ben didn't get knocked around last year....through the 2nd half of the season he trailed only Tom Brady in passer rating...so I expect a little more out of the Steelers offense this year. Has the Steelers defense changed in the last 10 years? If so I haven't noticed it....Hampton is going to be ready for the opener from what I've been reading...and Troy should be ready to go as well...I'm looking for big things out of Pittsburgh and they should have the division title at the end of the season. Looking for about 11 wins for them this year.
Finally looks like I got one right. Now I did think Pitts offense would be a little better than it has been...but losing your top 2 RB's and having your QB battle through injuries can do that to a team...not to mention weak playcalling for most of the season.
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I'm going to have to go with a guy who I feel can step in from day one on a team where he should get a lot of time. Jonathan Stewart over in Carolina has been tearing it up in training camp and has been reported that he is playing like a man amongst boy's over there. Stewart I believe is going to see some special teams work as well which should only help his cause for ROY. Having Steve Smith suspended for the first two games shouldn't hurt his stats either...if he stays healthy he really should have a great shot of taking home the title. Looking for over 1000 total yards and atleast 10 TD's to get him to win this award.
Stewart didn't quite hit those numbers...and if DeAngelo wouldn't have had the season he had I think stewart would have gotten more press....he still did rush for over 800 yards and 10 TDs tho which is impressive for a rookie.

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The first thought I wanted to give the nod to Aqib Talib...a kid I'm expecting huge things from as a rookie...but I'm not sold that there is going to be enough hype down in TB to give this kid the props he deserves so I'm going to go with Kenny Phillips. Phillips has been lights out in camps from reports...supposedly hitting everything in site....which is good and bad...but Phillips is in a good situation with a strong NY pass rush and should be in position to make a ton of plays for that defense this year. If he plays the way he can play I really don't see anyone taking it away from him. Look for him to get atleast 5 picks...and about 90 tackles.
Both players played good this year...but to tell you the truth I can't even think who won this award. Both guys should have future pro-bowl appearances...but neither did enough to win the away. Phillips just didn't have the TO to get this award.

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Tony Romo. In order for dallas to get over the hump this year...it is going to take the very best of Tony Romo for 16 straight games this year. Tony Romo has only started 26 games so far in his career...and yet it is hard to find a more productive QB during those times. People say he doesn't play well in big games...but 2006 Colts game and 2007 Packers game ring a bell of when he played well in big games...where both teams were undefeated over halfway through the season. If Tony can put it together...he has all the weapons he needs this year to put together a MVP type season...factor in that this is his second year in Garretts offense...he doesn't have an excuse not to be in the running. He broke quite a few passing records in dallas last year...I look for him to improve on those numbers this year. To win the MVP he is going to have to be right around that 65% completion percentage with about 4400 yards with a td:int ration of 2:1. If he does this...should give him a qb rating of just over 100 and put him in a legit spot to win the MVP award.
Injury killed his chances...who knows what happens if the finger doesn't get broke. As far as numbers went he threw for 3400 and 7:13 int to td ratio...but like i said these numbers mean nothing with the injury.
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I'm going to have to go with the Indianapolis Colts this year over the Saints. The Colts are just about the same team as last year...with Sanders returning..and Addai and Gonzalez getting another year under their belt...I look for Peyton to add to his status as a top QB of all time. The Saints just won't have the secondary to stop Indy's passing attack. Final Score 35-24
I love me some colts still...but injuries just kept them from dominating like they could have. As far as the saints go....they just never seem to play defense for some reason...Brees had a nice season tho.


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Injuries again...but Felix Jones did set a nfl record...highest YPC for a running back with 30 carries or more. He did have double the YPC...but arguement is moot with the injury.


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your telling me...even questions I got right I don't think that is what was meant....I was way better last year.
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Grossman and Orton starting, i dont think what happened is what you meant :D
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Nop...I didn't plan on orton getting hurt...but it's kinda like horseshoes and hand grenades....close counts.
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thule its ok that your truths were actually epic fails..but i still respect you going out on a limb with many of those. if i had my truths thread posted i would have offed myself. Croyles MVP :/
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Your Super Bowl winner prediction came a year early, thule. ;)
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how'd yours turn out?
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