Thoughts on Alex Smith? - Page 2

Splat · 02-19-2007, 03:17 PM

Pit Bull #53 I think your avatar is why Jeff is going to play baseball lol.

02-19-2007, 03:20 PM

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I think he can be a solid tight end, but he was marred by injuries this year, I think.

:P

lol

SillyRyno · 02-19-2007, 03:42 PM

Bust!!!

ninerfan · 02-19-2007, 04:11 PM

Alex will be fine - he's not exactly surrounded with talent but the he and the team are improving. Ok so he's probably not going to be Peyton Manning but I do think he'll be a top 5-10 QB in the league.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH · 02-19-2007, 04:19 PM

He just needs Dwayne Jarrett, and a good QB coach, and he'll develop into a great-elite QB.

Larry · 02-19-2007, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffSamardzijaIRISH

He just needs Dwayne Jarrett, and a good QB coach, and he'll develop into a great-elite QB.

lol What is Mike Williams Jr going to do for us?

San Diego Chicken · 02-19-2007, 04:42 PM

Smith is the youngest starting QB in the league, younger than Leinart, Cutler, Young, or Jackson. I thought he looked great when I watched him play.

02-19-2007, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry

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Originally Posted by JeffSamardzijaIRISH

He just needs Dwayne Jarrett, and a good QB coach, and he'll develop into a great-elite QB.

lol What is Mike Williams Jr going to do for us?

why does everybody keep saying Mike Williams and Dwayne Jarrett are the same?

KCJ58 · 02-19-2007, 04:43 PM

2009 NFL MVP

16_SFfan_80 · 02-19-2007, 05:05 PM

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I like the guy but he has no talent around him other than Gore and with Norv gone i see him struggling a bit here without any true #1 WR.

Bryant is pretty good and he has a good O-Line.

How come everyone and their mother is against Eli, But Smith was selected with the same pick 1 year later and no one says anything when Eli greatly outplayed Smith?

I see where you're coming from, and I think Eli has received a lot of unwarranted criticism for a young quarterback who is still developing, but there are a few of reasons.

1. Smith was the first pick in a weak draft class, whereas Eli was the first pick in an absolutely stacked draft class.
2. People understood there would be growing pains for Smith, as he didn't run a pro style offense in college.
3. Eli has an NFL pedigree.
4. Of the two quarterbacks selected after Eli, one had the best quarterback rating ever for a rookie and won a Superbowl and the other one has made the Pro Bowl.
5. The talent difference between the Giants and 49ers isn't even close.
6. Eli plays in a huge market, whereas Smith plays in a small one.

The Bay Area is not a small market, but I agree with most of your other points.

I'd like to also emphasize the lack of talent on the 49ers offense, besides Frank Gore.

keylime_5 · 02-19-2007, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffSamardzijaIRISH

He just needs Dwayne Jarrett, and a good QB coach, and he'll develop into a great-elite QB.

lol What is Mike Williams Jr going to do for us?

why does everybody keep saying Mike Williams and Dwayne Jarrett are the same?

For real, Jarrett is awesome, Williams is a douche

Borat · 02-19-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GiantRutgersFan

How come everyone and their mother is against Eli, But Smith was selected with the same pick 1 year later and no one says anything when Eli greatly outplayed Smith?

This is because loudmouth Giants fans acted like Eli was the next Montana and 49er fans just pray Smith wasn't a complete bust.

princefielder28 · 02-19-2007, 06:52 PM

He's progressing nicely but it may be alittle of a setback losing Norv Turner but he will be successful if they can get him weapons

Green Bay Scat · 02-19-2007, 06:58 PM

Ginn would be a horrible parring with Smith, i think they should trade up with there second pick IF someone like Meach/Rice/Bowe fell early in the second round.

16_SFfan_80 · 02-19-2007, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GiantRutgersFan

How come everyone and their mother is against Eli, But Smith was selected with the same pick 1 year later and no one says anything when Eli greatly outplayed Smith?

This is because loudmouth Giants fans acted like Eli was the next Montana and 49er fans just pray Smith wasn't a complete bust.

Exactly. Giants fans deserve all the criticism pointed at Manning because of their ridiculous homerism.

16_SFfan_80 · 02-19-2007, 07:18 PM

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Ginn would be a horrible parring with Smith, i think they should trade up with there second pick IF someone like Meach/Rice/Bowe fell early in the second round.

Agreed. They need a pass rusher or a run stuffer.

yourfavestoner · 02-19-2007, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 16_SFfan_80

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Originally Posted by yourfavestoner

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Originally Posted by GiantRutgersFan

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Originally Posted by TCU

I like the guy but he has no talent around him other than Gore and with Norv gone i see him struggling a bit here without any true #1 WR.

Bryant is pretty good and he has a good O-Line.

How come everyone and their mother is against Eli, But Smith was selected with the same pick 1 year later and no one says anything when Eli greatly outplayed Smith?

I see where you're coming from, and I think Eli has received a lot of unwarranted criticism for a young quarterback who is still developing, but there are a few of reasons.

1. Smith was the first pick in a weak draft class, whereas Eli was the first pick in an absolutely stacked draft class.
2. People understood there would be growing pains for Smith, as he didn't run a pro style offense in college.
3. Eli has an NFL pedigree.
4. Of the two quarterbacks selected after Eli, one had the best quarterback rating ever for a rookie and won a Superbowl and the other one has made the Pro Bowl.
5. The talent difference between the Giants and 49ers isn't even close.
6. Eli plays in a huge market, whereas Smith plays in a small one.

The Bay Area is not a small market, but I agree with most of your other points.

I'd like to also emphasize the lack of talent on the 49ers offense, besides Frank Gore.

Eh...the New York market pretty much dwarfs all the other markets in the league.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH · 02-19-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry

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Originally Posted by JeffSamardzijaIRISH

He just needs Dwayne Jarrett, and a good QB coach, and he'll develop into a great-elite QB.

lol What is Mike Williams Jr going to do for us?

Mike Williams sat out a year. That rust screwed him over. Jarrett compares better to Plaxico Burress(maybe without character concern).

KCJ58 · 02-19-2007, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffSamardzijaIRISH

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Originally Posted by Larry

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Originally Posted by JeffSamardzijaIRISH

He just needs Dwayne Jarrett, and a good QB coach, and he'll develop into a great-elite QB.

lol What is Mike Williams Jr going to do for us?

Mike Williams sat out a year. That rust screwed him over. Jarrett compares better to Plaxico Burress(maybe without character concern).

Dwayne Jarrett is better than Mike Williams when they were at USC

yourfavestoner · 02-19-2007, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffSamardzijaIRISH

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Originally Posted by Larry

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Originally Posted by JeffSamardzijaIRISH

He just needs Dwayne Jarrett, and a good QB coach, and he'll develop into a great-elite QB.

lol What is Mike Williams Jr going to do for us?

Mike Williams sat out a year. That rust screwed him over. Jarrett compares better to Plaxico Burress(maybe without character concern).

Keyshawn Johnson.

GiantRutgersFan · 02-19-2007, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by yourfavestoner

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Originally Posted by 16_SFfan_80

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Originally Posted by yourfavestoner

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Originally Posted by GiantRutgersFan

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Originally Posted by TCU

I like the guy but he has no talent around him other than Gore and with Norv gone i see him struggling a bit here without any true #1 WR.

Bryant is pretty good and he has a good O-Line.

How come everyone and their mother is against Eli, But Smith was selected with the same pick 1 year later and no one says anything when Eli greatly outplayed Smith?

I see where you're coming from, and I think Eli has received a lot of unwarranted criticism for a young quarterback who is still developing, but there are a few of reasons.

1. Smith was the first pick in a weak draft class, whereas Eli was the first pick in an absolutely stacked draft class.
2. People understood there would be growing pains for Smith, as he didn't run a pro style offense in college.
3. Eli has an NFL pedigree.
4. Of the two quarterbacks selected after Eli, one had the best quarterback rating ever for a rookie and won a Superbowl and the other one has made the Pro Bowl.
5. The talent difference between the Giants and 49ers isn't even close.
6. Eli plays in a huge market, whereas Smith plays in a small one.

The Bay Area is not a small market, but I agree with most of your other points.

I'd like to also emphasize the lack of talent on the 49ers offense, besides Frank Gore.

Eh...the New York market pretty much dwarfs all the other markets in the league.

Theres also 2 teams here. I dont really have any facts, but It seems like the 49ers have a larger national fanbase then the Giants.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH · 02-19-2007, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJ58

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Originally Posted by JeffSamardzijaIRISH

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Originally Posted by Larry

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Originally Posted by JeffSamardzijaIRISH

He just needs Dwayne Jarrett, and a good QB coach, and he'll develop into a great-elite QB.

lol What is Mike Williams Jr going to do for us?

Mike Williams sat out a year. That rust screwed him over. Jarrett compares better to Plaxico Burress(maybe without character concern).

Dwayne Jarrett is better than Mike Williams when they were at USC

Hell no. Mike Williams had back to back 1,000+ yard seasons. Mike Williams had back to back All-America seasons. Mike Williams was to be the best WR in college, until he tried to declare early.

Stash · 02-19-2007, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GiantRutgersFan

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Originally Posted by yourfavestoner

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Originally Posted by 16_SFfan_80

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Originally Posted by yourfavestoner

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Originally Posted by GiantRutgersFan

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Originally Posted by TCU

I like the guy but he has no talent around him other than Gore and with Norv gone i see him struggling a bit here without any true #1 WR.

Bryant is pretty good and he has a good O-Line.

How come everyone and their mother is against Eli, But Smith was selected with the same pick 1 year later and no one says anything when Eli greatly outplayed Smith?

I see where you're coming from, and I think Eli has received a lot of unwarranted criticism for a young quarterback who is still developing, but there are a few of reasons.

1. Smith was the first pick in a weak draft class, whereas Eli was the first pick in an absolutely stacked draft class.
2. People understood there would be growing pains for Smith, as he didn't run a pro style offense in college.
3. Eli has an NFL pedigree.
4. Of the two quarterbacks selected after Eli, one had the best quarterback rating ever for a rookie and won a Superbowl and the other one has made the Pro Bowl.
5. The talent difference between the Giants and 49ers isn't even close.
6. Eli plays in a huge market, whereas Smith plays in a small one.

The Bay Area is not a small market, but I agree with most of your other points.

I'd like to also emphasize the lack of talent on the 49ers offense, besides Frank Gore.

Eh...the New York market pretty much dwarfs all the other markets in the league.

Theres also 2 teams here. I dont really have any facts, but It seems like the 49ers have a larger national fanbase then the Giants.

Both NY and the Bay Area have 2 teams, but the NY media is definitely the craziest in sports. Players are either a hero or a goat with them.

toonsterwu · 02-19-2007, 10:33 PM

I liked Alex a lot coming out, and I still do. That said, losing Norv hurts. Norv was a great offensive guy ... but more than that, moving to his 3rd system in 3 years ... not the best way to have growth. That said, they seemed to find a rhythm last year with the power run game. Without Norv, I think they need to give stronger concern to getting offensive playmakers, because the talent surrounding Alex Smith right now likely isn't enough to help him go another notch.

We have to wait and see who the OC is, though, to speculate further. Not a big fan of Jerry Sullivan.

02-19-2007, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by toonsterwu

I liked Alex a lot coming out, and I still do. That said, losing Norv hurts. Norv was a great offensive guy ... but more than that, moving to his 3rd system in 3 years ... not the best way to have growth. That said, they seemed to find a rhythm last year with the power run game. Without Norv, I think they need to give stronger concern to getting offensive playmakers, because the talent surrounding Alex Smith right now likely isn't enough to help him go another notch.

We have to wait and see who the OC is, though, to speculate further. Not a big fan of Jerry Sullivan.

I'm rooting for ken zampese to get the job. Hopefully, the bengals will let us interview him. I know he refused to interview for the dolphins because he wouldn't get full control of the offense with cam cameron there. Nolan would give him absolute control over the offense, so it'd be an ideal situation for him.