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Old 01-27-2009, 06:46 PM    (permalink
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Overall Flacco did a ton better then I expected. I was expecting Tavares Jackson production. You may feel us Ravens fans over rate him but we are just so excited because he is the best QB we had post Vinny now just as a rookie and he is a very talented guy.
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I was more impressed with what Colt Brennan did in the preseason than what Flacco did in the regular season and playoffs.
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I was more impressed with what Colt Brennan did in the preseason than what Flacco did in the regular season and playoffs.
Lol yea dont hate on the man Flaco had a fairly nice season. I Like Colt. I dont care what they say anyone who throws 58 TDs in 14 games should get a chance to play. "Hes to short" "Hes a system QB" please the man threw 58 ****** TDs.
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Once Jamarcus gets a decent football team around him I think he will be a very good QB. This may never happen though and yes i'm talking about the Raiders getting a decent team around him.
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Once Jamarcus gets a decent football team around him I think he will be a very good QB. This may never happen though and yes i'm talking about the Raiders getting a decent team around him.
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If you switch Flacco to Oakland and Russell to the ravens, Id expect Russell to have pretty damn good stats. No not probowl but above average. I like Flacco, but I dont think you will ever depend on him to win you a game. If the ravens can keep a good running behind Flacco, I expect this team to be good for a long time.

As for Russell, he put up stats the reseamble Flacco's but he has a worse supporting cast. Our best passing weapon (Zach Miller) has to block most of the time since our oline is bad. If we can get a WR like Crabtree in the draft or a OT like Jason Smith or Michael Oher, I expect Russell to make big strides next season
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If you switch Flacco to Oakland and Russell to the ravens, Id expect Russell to have pretty damn good stats. No not probowl but above average. I like Flacco, but I dont think you will ever depend on him to win you a game. If the ravens can keep a good running behind Flacco, I expect this team to be good for a long time.

As for Russell, he put up stats the reseamble Flacco's but he has a worse supporting cast. Our best passing weapon (Zach Miller) has to block most of the time since our oline is bad. If we can get a WR like Crabtree in the draft or a OT like Jason Smith or Michael Oher, I expect Russell to make big strides next season
A lot worse....

I take Russell, I think he's a little better at everything, except I think he's a little careless with the ball when taking sacks, leading to senseless fumbles.
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Flacco most definitely throws one hell of a deep ball though.

I too have noticed the hate that Russell gets compared to the positive attention that Flacco gets, but that could be a result of their draft positions and expectations coming into the league. As the first overall pick Russell comes in with the expectations of turning around the hapless franchise, whereas Flacco starting a full season was impressive enough, not to mention being the rookie QB of the team in the AFC championship.
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It comes down to wins and losses. If the Raiders could have stole that one in Miami and beat the Chiefs a second time, they would have finished 5-2. Over that stretch JaMarcus completed 61% with a 91 passer rating. People would have been talking about him then. If they actually win games next year JR will get his props.
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Russell has the physical ability to unGodly and with out a doubt on eof the best QB's in the NFL. But his passion and his mental aspect of the game, to me, is a huge red flag. If he had the passion of Carson, Peyton, Favre, Brees or Rivers he would be a prennial Pro-Bowl QB.

The fire inside is something that scares me about Russell. I just don't see the passion. But that has something to so with the horrid attitude of the front office and musical chairs at the coaching position. The Raiders need to go get Jon Gruden back in there to put the hammer down and let everyone who is boss. If Gruden can't help Russell then no one can. I love Gruden as a QB's specialist and he would know what the team needs as far as a scheme is considered.

Also get them a legit receiving threat and a franchise OLT. I can't tell you how much the Oakland Raiders would progress if they went out and drafted Michael Oher, Eugene Monroe or Jason Smith and then draft Kenny Brit or Darius Heyward-Bey in the 2nd Round. Get themselves a speedster in the 3rd like Derrick Williams in the 3rd or grab a OG or Center there. But they need to buld around him. Forget defense, don't even bother. The 2009 Season is a wash anyway, just concentrate on bulding around your talented young offensive players like Russell, McFadden, Fargas and Zach Miller. Turn them into a high powered offensive team with a great young talented core.

If they go defense in the 1rst and defense in the second and then go out and sign a whole bunch of high priced free agents they will fail and fall hard and be back in the same boat next year accomplishing nothing and learning nothing from another dismal season.
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Considering a coaching carousel, the lack of a #1 receiver, an incomplete O-line (anytime Kwame Harris is starting, you have a problem), and not playing most of his rookie year, Russell played admirably. In the one game I really watched him play, against the Texans, he showed some good decision-making ability and accuracy when he got protection (not exactly hard to do against that defense, but you get my point). I think he'll flourish down the road.

Flacco was decent all year, and managed not to lose games up until the AFC Championship. He may hit a slump next year, as he still has a ways to go technically, but he'll be a good starter if the Ravens maintain some consistency around him.
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Id take Flacco over Russell. I think Flacco can be a franchise QB. I like Russells size and arm but im still not sold on him being a good NFL QB.
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I bet everyone would be picking Russell over Flacco if he had some decent WRs to throw to.
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I hate to pile on Flacco but I never understood any of the accolades he was getting late in the season. My initials thoughts of him 8 weeks into the season was he was shiit and might never become a good Quarterback. But then another 8 weeks later by seasons ends I thought he didn't look to bad, sometimes he makes really nice throws. So in the end, I guess I was wrong to call him shiit since he helped take his team to the playoffs. I'm still not very high on him.

And Russell... well that's a whole nother story. Are people actually defending him? I'm not saying he's bad by any means but his play would be described as that. Saying he would be better with so and so around him is just stupid and bringing that into the argument is dumb. Russell has what it takes to succeed I believe, he's got a big arm and all that, however I would call the time that he has spent as the starting QB with the Raiders as.... a WASH. Everything has been a mess in Oakland and it would be tough for any QB to have success. But sooner rather than later he's going to have to take his game to another level regardless of the situation around him to show that he can play in the NFL and in the all important showdown prove he is better than Flacco, cause after all that is what its all about.
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When the Raiders beat Tampa Bay Russell showed alot of promise. He had the Raiders in control and then threw and ugly pick. Tampa went on to take the lead and most Raider fans thought " here we go again." To my suprise Russell lead the team back down the field and threw a TD. It was like the possible game losing throw didnt bother him. Russell has had many examples of showing poise this season. Like some people mentioned the Raiders have a ton of problems and JaMarcus has stepped up for the most part.

To say having Kwame Harris at LT and no-name WR's doesnt hurt a QB is crazy. That + the constant dismay and change can really kill a young QB. JaMarcus has seemed unphased. Hopefully he can continue to step his play up next season. The Raiders are an extremely young team.
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Jamarcus Russell for 60+ million dollars or Joe Flacco for half of that? I'm going with Flacco every time.
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Why's everyone shittin on Flacco? Who cares about stats? He was the more successful rookie compared to Russell, maybe not the stronger arm but his is damn good. And Flacco does what matters, and thats win. Doesn't matter if its ugly, he gets it done and in the end thats all what is needed. Sure he coulda done better, but look at his WR corps. Derrick Mason is the only one that was capable of getting open, and then catching the ball. And whenever we had to go deep, he'd have to throw to Clayton or Mase, both guys are under 6'. What are the odds of completing those passes to those small guys?? Give him a legit deep threat and he could do some damage. He has all the tools you look for in a franchise QB and the skies the limit for him. Not to take anything away from Russell whos a good QB in his own, but I'd take Flacco over him.
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He has all the tools you look for in a franchise QB and the skies the limit for him. Not to take anything away from Russell whos a good QB in his own, but I'd take Flacco over him.
I agree. I really think in 2-3 years Flacco is going to be machine. Hes got all the tools and he shows great poise in the pocket. He has shown he can also throw the ball on the money. In a couple years the sky will be the limit for him imo.
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I agree. I really think in 2-3 years Flacco is going to be machine. Hes got all the tools and he shows great poise in the pocket. He has shown he can also throw the ball on the money. In a couple years the sky will be the limit for him imo.
That's dependent on if he gets some more receivers. Once DMase is gone there is no consistent wideout on the team. Also for a big guy with a rocket arm you need some big bodied/tall wideouts but guys like Dmase, Clayton, and Figurs are small dudes. You are asking a 6-5" guy with a rocket arm to throw down to their chests and he doesn't have anyone who will go up and grab the ball which is why he has a lot of what appears to be overthrows but would be decent throws to a taller receiver. Todd Heap should be his reliable safety net but while Heap has been an impressive blocker he gets no separation anymore and his hands aren't sure like they used to be.
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Detroit fans were impressed by their pre-season as well, too bad it means squat once the real season begins.
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Flacco has a helluva lot better chance of succeeding simply because of the fact that Russell is in Oakland.

Bingo! That statement says it all. The Raiders are grossly mismanaged and will be for the forseeable future. I didn't really know what to think of Russell coming out of school, but he certainly didn't embarrass himself. I'll give him a little credit. But Russell's ceiling is limited by the Oakland Raiders organizational dysfunction.

And yes, let's cool it on calling rookie QBs overrated. I think Flacco did a nice job in his rookie season. Sure it helps that the Ravens have three viable running backs and a fantastic defense to take the pressure off. But what did any past QBs do in Baltimore aside from constantly give the ball away? Elvis Grbac? Kyle Boller? Steve McNair (Year 2 in Baltimore)?
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That's dependent on if he gets some more receivers. Once DMase is gone there is no consistent wideout on the team. Also for a big guy with a rocket arm you need some big bodied/tall wideouts but guys like Dmase, Clayton, and Figurs are small dudes. You are asking a 6-5" guy with a rocket arm to throw down to their chests and he doesn't have anyone who will go up and grab the ball which is why he has a lot of what appears to be overthrows but would be decent throws to a taller receiver. Todd Heap should be his reliable safety net but while Heap has been an impressive blocker he gets no separation anymore and his hands aren't sure like they used to be.
Yeah the Ravens will have to upgrade there offense to continue Flacco's development. I think they will upgrade WR and TE in the future. Mason, Clayton, and Heap arent bad but they need more. Mason is nearing the end of his career (even though he showed alot of heart and talent this year) and Heap has really regressed over the last couple years. Flacco has the talent to make strides all the Ravens have to do is keep putting him in position to improve.
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People hating on Flacco are stupid. The kid played football at DELAWARE last year. Thats right. At least Jamarcus got the gift of playing at LSU, sure he was raw, but he had D-1 experience. Yes, Flacco benefited from a strong defense and running game, but tell me, did anyone really expect him to be STARTING? all year long? and lead us to an 11-5 record? With 2 postseason wins? really?

I dont hate Jamarcus. Its far far too early to call him a bust. Just likes its waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to early to call Flacco anything more then a game manager. Wake up people. Give them both some weapons, and talk to me in 5 years. Then MAYBE we can have this conversation.
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