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View Poll Results: Pick #1, QB is not an option. Culpepper returns to elite. Who do you choose?
Andre Smith 1 2.70%
Jason Smith 17 45.95%
Eugene Monroe 10 27.03%
B.J. Raji 3 8.11%
Brian Orakpo 1 2.70%
Michael Crabtree 0 0%
Malcolm Jenkins 0 0%
Rey Maualuga 0 0%
Michael Oher 0 0%
other-please specify 5 13.51%
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Old 02-24-2009, 12:28 PM    (permalink
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The idea that teams have to choose between defense and having a franchise QB only exists in the mind of fans who aren't paying attention. Every one of the teams with top 5 defenses started first round QB's last year. The great 70's Steelers teams known for great defense started that decade by taking a QB #1 overall in 1970. Drafting a QB does not stop a team from building the rest of the roster up. Get that nonsense out of your head.
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I'm not saying Stafford is a franchise QB, but he's no further from being a franchise QB than any other player in the draft is to being a star at their position in the NFL. History has nothing to do with how Stafford will turn out. If history determines how players did in the NFL, Calvin Johnson would be Charles Rodgers. If the Ravens and Falcons let history scared them they would have passed on Ryan and Flacco because of Vick and Boller.
Bengals would have passed on Palmer because of Akili Smith
Skins would have passed on Jason Campbell because of Patrick Ramsey
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Old 02-24-2009, 02:00 PM    (permalink
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The idea that teams have to choose between defense and having a franchise QB only exists in the mind of fans who aren't paying attention. Every one of the teams with top 5 defenses started first round QB's last year. The great 70's Steelers teams known for great defense started that decade by taking a QB #1 overall in 1970. Drafting a QB does not stop a team from building the rest of the roster up. Get that nonsense out of your head.
No, but its our most valuable pick and as far as I'm concerned our defense was worse than our offense. Yes we have a lot of picks, but as you get away from the first round quality drops.

That and Free Agency is an uphill battle this year for a few reasons:
1) A lot of targets were either resigned or franchise tagged.
2) We don't exactly have a lot to offer a big free agent since we were 0-16.

So that #1 pick needs to count. Curry is a safe pick. he helps us now, and hopefully he helps us for the next 10 years on defense.

BTW on the other side of this years Super Bowl was an old QB who was acquired through free agency, and was never drafted in any round. 1st round is not the only way to get a QB. There are long lists of successful non-1st round QBs.
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No, but its our most valuable pick and as far as I'm concerned our defense was worse than our offense. Yes we have a lot of picks, but as you get away from the first round quality drops.

That and Free Agency is an uphill battle this year for a few reasons:
1) A lot of targets were either resigned or franchise tagged.
2) We don't exactly have a lot to offer a big free agent since we were 0-16.

So that #1 pick needs to count. Curry is a safe pick. he helps us now, and hopefully he helps us for the next 10 years on defense.

BTW on the other side of this years Super Bowl was an old QB who was acquired through free agency, and was never drafted in any round. 1st round is not the only way to get a QB. There are long lists of successful non-1st round QBs.
Curry can be the best LB in the game for the next decade and unless you have a QB you aren't winning the superbowl. Unless the defense is one of the greatest of all times like the Ravens.

There is a 3% chance that 2nd and 3rd round QB turn into productive QB's. Are you willing to waste the next 3 years on the lions picking the guy in the 3% range or the 97% range. Most of the QB's that are successful came into places where they could learn the system for a few years without having any pressure on them. That's not the case with the lions they have to get someone who can atleast be ready to start by year 2.

A good QB makes the entire team better not just the offense. Teaming Stafford with CJ would allow for the 3rd and longs to become first downs. That gives your defense more rest and better field position. He gets rid of the ball quickly and makes the OL better. The falcons defense and OL this year was average and they still made the playoffs in a tough NFC south.
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Eugene Monroe. I've been pitching this guy since day 1, he was elite out of HS ... forced a very talented Branden Albert to remain at G ... comes from a school with a recent history of solid oline talent (ie NOT Baylor) ... has every measurable ... is a NEED.

Backus moves to guard and our line vastly improves with this pick.

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Hopefully this doesn't turn out like the Alex Smith situation, where since Lineart didn't come out, it was then a battle between Smith and Rodgers. And Smith made a boatload of cash even though he may not have been worthy of the #1 overall pick. The 49ers needed a qb and didn't really have a choice, well they did but didn't want to look stupid passing him up.

Now maybe the same thing happens this year the Lions just say screw it lets go with the qb. Maybe in years to come we find out he wasn't really worth taking. Stafford then can go than Sam Bradford for staying in school and helping him get some moneys.
I see no similarity between Stafford and Alex Smith.

I think Bradford and Leinart are similar, though. :)
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Jason Smith is a great talent, but I think Eugene Monroe is the way to go. The problem I have with Smith is that he played at Baylor where they threw the ball a million times a game and he was essentially never in a three-point stance. I know protecting the blind side is the ultimate job of the left tackle, but he needs to be able to effectively run block as well. I think Jason Smith can do these things but I still question them. You shouldn't have to question the Number 1 pick. For my money, I think Eugene Monroe is the best overall tackle in the draft.
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