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Old 02-27-2009, 02:34 PM    (permalink
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I'm sad to see him go but I'm glad we got some picks for him. I wish him the best in Tampa Bay. He'll play 100% until his leg falls off. I really hope the Browns can find Quinn a reliable receiving option this off-season.
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2009 2nd round pick and a 2010 5th round pick.
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Thing is, there are so many good receiving TE options in the draft, who cost much less, and would be available with that 2nd rounder, or even a 3rd.

They'd be similar to KW, but without the huge contract, ego, and injury problems. Not quite the athlete, but not that far off really, especially post knee surgeries.

It has repeatedly been shown that a TE drafted in the 2nd (or later) can develop into a quality player quickly: e.g. Tony Scheffler, Owen Daniels, Zach Miller, etc...

None are quite the game changer that KW can be, but are far more reasonable, especially for a team that is apparently rebuilding.
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Thing is, there are so many good receiving TE options in the draft, who cost much less, and would be available with that 2nd rounder, or even a 3rd.

They'd be similar to KW, but without the huge contract, ego, and injury problems. Not quite the athlete, but not that far off really, especially post knee surgeries.

It has repeatedly been shown that a TE drafted in the 2nd (or later) can develop into a quality player quickly: e.g. Tony Scheffler, Owen Daniels, Zach Miller, etc...

None are quite the game changer that KW can be, but are far more reasonable, especially for a team that is apparently rebuilding.
They would be not similar to KW at all. Ego or not, Kellen Winslow is the #2 or #3 receiving TE in the NFL when he plays. He poses a huge mismatch for defenses. Winslow is a much better receiver than those players listed (except maybe Daniels) after his injury problems.

As for the move itself, I think it is a good one. The Saints and Falcons have no answer for him.
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2009 2nd round pick and a 2010 5th round pick.
Eh...I'm a little bit disappointed after hearing a 2nd and a 3rd. I think he's worth more than a 2009 2nd round pick and 2010 5th round. Where did you get this btw?
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plain dealer, but it's from schefter and clayton too. Some think his skills were deteriorating a bit since a couple years ago, I'm all for 3 picks in the top 50 picks of the draft.
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To be honest this move completely shocked me. It came out of nowhere as far as the Buccaneers are concerned. If reports are correct and it is for a 2nd and a 5th, I don't mind it all that much.
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Unless it's for a 1st round pick, the Browns are stupid.

I feel so bad for Browns fans. Just terrible management.
Like most people on this thread, your comments reak of ignorance. He was becoming a cancer to the team, his knees are rubble, and he was always complaining about his contract. No one in the league was going to give the Browns a 1st round pick for him; they got two picks. Everyone that knows football has said today that this is a great move by Cleveland. Who you should be feeling sorry for is TB, who just got a player whos better days are behind him and is a pain the the rear to deal with.
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plain dealer, but it's from schefter and clayton too. Some think his skills were deteriorating a bit since a couple years ago, I'm all for 3 picks in the top 50 picks of the draft.
Perhaps 4 depending on what they can get for Derek Anderson
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If we can move Derek Anderson then we'll be in business in terms of first day draft picks. We can get potentially get 4 or 5 starters in this draft if we get a 2nd or early third for DA.
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This thread has done a good job of outlining the Pros and Cons for both teams. As a Bucs fan, I am happy about the trade. Winslow is young enough to get his career on track and he would be a major upgrade to our receiving corp. Sure he comes with downside, but so does every player drafted in the mid/late 2nd round.
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The Browns would be absolutely ******** if they traded Derek Anderson for anything less than a high second, he was a pro bowl QB 2 years ago, had a bad year with people playing terrible around him. At least keep him as a back-up QB if youre only going to get mid 2nd or worse.
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The Browns would be absolutely ******** if they traded Derek Anderson for anything less than a high second, he was a pro bowl QB 2 years ago, had a bad year with people playing terrible around him. At least keep him as a back-up QB if youre only going to get mid 2nd or worse.
A backup QB with a huge contract. Mid 2nd would be decent value for a guy who is inconsistent but certainly has ability.

Also this is a decent deal. I'm confused as to why people are so surprised.
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A backup QB with a huge contract. Mid 2nd would be decent value for a guy who is inconsistent but certainly has ability.

Also this is a decent deal. I'm confused as to why people are so surprised.
It would be DECENT value but not GOOD value... I want good value for a guy who went to the pro bowl only a year ago, and while he was bad this year he had NO help around him this year what so ever.

That on top of the fact that Quinn looked very bad in 2 of the 3 games he played in.
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It really is a shame to see what has happened to Derek Anderson happen. Sadley we all saw it coming. He needs to be traded, the media won't let him start in Cleveland.
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I do feel bad for him but, hey, if he played well it never would have happened. He deserves a shot to start somewhere else but I'm not going to feel bad for him if he gets traded because he was playing bad and got replaced. Quinn was mediocre as well but if they're about the same, Quinn is younger, and Anderson has more value, it makes sense to trade DA.
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Hell yeah KW back in the sunshine state baby! But i hope he proves everyone wrong stay healty "Warm weather helps" and stright beast it this year. I wonder whats gonna happen to alex smith T.E. because i think he can be very good too?
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i like alex smith he'll still be a factor, i think
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Like most people on this thread, your comments reak of ignorance. He was becoming a cancer to the team, his knees are rubble, and he was always complaining about his contract. No one in the league was going to give the Browns a 1st round pick for him; they got two picks. Everyone that knows football has said today that this is a great move by Cleveland. Who you should be feeling sorry for is TB, who just got a player whos better days are behind him and is a pain the the rear to deal with.
Sorry friend. I can think of at least 5-6 football analysts that don't like the trade-given the lack of real talent on the Browns and the development of Quinn. Team "cancers" is becoming an easy explanation NFL cliche.... Unless you shoot yourself in the leg.
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If we can move Derek Anderson then we'll be in business in terms of first day draft picks. We can get potentially get 4 or 5 starters in this draft if we get a 2nd or early third for DA.
I still don't mind Anderson coming to Carolina if that were possible. Hell now you guys have two seconds, package both of those with DA and offer Peppers, I'd be pretty happy with 3 2nd rounders in lieu of a 1st.

He's young, at least serviceable (needs some work) and wouldn't be a bad option once Delhomme retires (not far off imo).

I like what the Browns are doing this year after spending so many of their picks and cash on stuff that didn't really pan out last year.
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Sorry friend. I can think of at least 5-6 football analysts that don't like the trade-given the lack of real talent on the Browns and the development of Quinn. Team "cancers" is becoming an easy explanation NFL cliche.... Unless you shoot yourself in the leg.
Why was it a bad move?

We have TE depth in Heiden, Dinkins and Rucker even though Heiden and Rucker are coming off of injuries. When Winslow was out last year Heiden was more then fine in his spot.

Like Wonderbredd stated, Winslow is on borrowed time, he's coming off of a broken leg, torn acl, [insert number] knee surgeries, shoulder surgeries and that list is growing and growing. Yeah Winslow is a beast and always played through it as much as possible but that's going to catch up with him. You have to start wondering if his NFL days are numbered yet.

Plus Winslow wanted a new contract which we weren't going to give him.

Winslow was one of my favorite players on the Browns but really, I'm not going to miss his inability to block anything, or all the headcase penalties he caused with the play no where near him. He's a good football player but you can see that with injuries, depth at TE, payday he wants, his "I want out of Cleveland" attitude, his inability to block, the boneheaded penalties, his selfishness and the fact he's going to be a Free Agent soon caused us to pull the trigger on him.

I do wish we would have gotten more for him however. =\
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