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Old 04-09-2009, 02:36 AM    (permalink
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I feel like people forget how good this guy was in Detroit in 2006/2007. He obviously didn't have a great year with the 2008 lions/cowboys but I feel like circumstances were heavily against him.

He's at that sweet-spot age for receivers and he'll be way more adjusted to the cowboys offense and be their only legit #1 target.

Two receivers make 1st Team All Pro right? I bet it's gonna be amongst CJ, Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, and Moss (if only cuz of brady). Steve smith and boldin are past their peaks, don't think bowe/marshall are as polished yet plus they are on some shaky offenses.
Steve Smith will punch your baby in the face, then eat it's flesh raw. How that for past his peak?
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I feel like people forget how good this guy was in Detroit in 2006/2007. He obviously didn't have a great year with the 2008 lions/cowboys but I feel like circumstances were heavily against him.

He's at that sweet-spot age for receivers and he'll be way more adjusted to the cowboys offense and be their only legit #1 target.

Two receivers make 1st Team All Pro right? I bet it's gonna be amongst CJ, Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, and Moss (if only cuz of brady). Steve smith and boldin are past their peaks, don't think bowe/marshall are as polished yet plus they are on some shaky offenses.
Roy Williams in due time will be go down as one of the biggest trade blunders in franchise sports history. The guy is an absolute bust and in time people are going to see that. He couldn't get separation in college and he can't do it now. That would make 3 out 4 WRs taken by the Lions in the top 10 turn out to be utter failures. I'm stunned they got a first, third and a sixth for a bust. It's one of the worst trades I've ever heard of, then the Cowboys compound that by giving him a huge contract.

If anyone from the group you listed thats about to emerge its Dwayne Bowe (then again from what you said, I don't think you have a clue as to what you're talking about). He's not going to be in a shaky offense. The Chiefs will have one of the best schemes in the NFL and pretty much the only fit that will make Cassel the player he's paid to be.

Roy will be cut in two years. Out of the NFL in 4... max. I really believe that. I think he's absolutely garbage. I've always thought that. Sweed was much better and for whatever reason went were he was supposed to and Williams didn't.
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All Pro? He's got to get past Steve Smith, Calvin Johnson, Randy Moss, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, I dare say DeSean Jackson could be right in the mix as well. He'll probably be up there, but realistically speaking he's fighting an uphill battle even for a probowl spot.
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All Pro? He's got to get past Steve Smith, Calvin Johnson, Randy Moss, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, I dare say DeSean Jackson could be right in the mix as well. He'll probably be up there, but realistically speaking he's fighting an uphill battle even for a probowl spot.
He's a Cowboy, so that means he'll go to the pro bowl even if he doesn't deserve to.
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Roy Williams drops way too many balls, runs terrible routes and has suck attacks when things aren't going his way. Not only will he not even make the Pro Bowl, but unless Jason Witten has an absolute monster year (100 grabs / 10 scores ++), Roy may end up being responsible for keeping Romo out of the Pro Bowl too.
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Old 04-09-2009, 09:43 AM    (permalink
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All Pro? He's got to get past Steve Smith, Calvin Johnson, Randy Moss, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, I dare say DeSean Jackson could be right in the mix as well. He'll probably be up there, but realistically speaking he's fighting an uphill battle even for a probowl spot.
I think you're underrating Williams a bit now. DeShean is good, but Roy is still better than him.
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I think you're underrating Williams a bit now. DeShean is good, but Roy is still better than him.
DeSean had over twice the amount of yards that Roy had last year.
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Old 04-09-2009, 10:44 AM    (permalink
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DeSean had over twice the amount of yards that Roy had last year.
Williams also played a fourth of the season with Detroit, and was hurt for most of the rest of the season, on a team with Terrell Owens and Jason Witten.
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Williams also played a fourth of the season with Detroit, and was hurt for most of the rest of the season, on a team with Terrell Owens and Jason Witten.
what he said. Also DeSean was one of the only targets to Donavan McNabb (who had a line and a run offense to fall back on if need be)
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He played in Detroit for some of last year and while he was there CJ was getting all the balls thrown his way.
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Williams also played a fourth of the season with Detroit, and was hurt for most of the rest of the season, on a team with Terrell Owens and Jason Witten.
Speaking of hurt, Has RW ever made it through a whole season without being dinged up in one way or anouther? Guy has talent that he shows for the big sportscenter play but he lacks the focus to be consistent. I watched every game he played for the Lions and if being home playing for Dallas can somehow turn the light on he could be one of the best. My thinking is he is lights out for 5 games then gets dinged and floats the rest of the season.

That all being said one thing I always liked about RW is he isnt a headcase WR making headlines every week. He tends to be somewhat of a selfadmited Dork. Oh and he doesn't know what to tip the pizza guy.

He should be a good face for the Dallas cowboys even if he doesn't live up to the trade value it took to get him.
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Williams is overrated. One 1000+ yard season in 6 seasons. People talk about him like he's an elite receiver but I realistically think he's a quality #2, at least until he develops more consistency.
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Old 04-09-2009, 12:16 PM    (permalink
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Williams also played a fourth of the season with Detroit, and was hurt for most of the rest of the season, on a team with Terrell Owens and Jason Witten.
Yeah, that is why his number were absolute crap. Calvin found a way to get it done. Consistently being injured is an excuse? Playing on a team with other talented players who can draw away coverage is an excuse? Being the only target that people can focus on (DeSean) is an advantage?

People need to look at the facts, and those show that he is not consistently at a level that deserves the recognition and attention that he has been given. He has some nice catches, but what did they matter? What is his body of work? Not very impressive. Consistently missing games due to injuries isn't a reason to be optimistic, it is a concern! Until he does something, he is an overhyped guy who has never lived up to his draft position, contract, or trade value. Simply put.

An offseason spent with the Cowboys and learning the offense and getting on the same page as Romo to be the #1 WR option will be great to better evaluate him, but his numbers from last year after the trade are beyond what an excuse for dropped production should be, they were straight up bad. Given what we have to go from in the past, this should be a concern, not reason for optimism. He will be given every chance to succeed in Dallas, they gave up a lot for him, and made some moves that have put all the marbles in his basket. For good or bad, they will ride him. Hopefully he finally lives up to the hype he has been given, but simply put, has not lived up to for an entire season. If he gets injured, like he usually does, they are awfully thin at WR. Can you rely on this guy to be your consistent #1 for an entire season? The next 2 seasons will be the ones that determine his career, his last chance to show he's a legit #1 target on a good offense. No longer is the excuse 'he was on the Lions'.
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Williams also played a fourth of the season with Detroit, and was hurt for most of the rest of the season, on a team with Terrell Owens and Jason Witten.
Exactly, I still don't understand why everyone considers him a bust after half a season with the Cowboys???
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As a guy who has watched him for his entire stay in Detroit, he is a guy with great talent who just doesnt live up to the hype. He'll make some sick catches and you'll think that he is unstoppable, but once you count on him to make a catch he becomes Mr. Drops. Its not like Jon Kitna was hitting him in stride, but if you are paid to catch a ball, you better catch the ball. Good luck Cowboy fans, I'm much happier with Calvin.
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