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Old 08-20-2009, 11:34 AM    (permalink
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So? He wasnt gonna start for us either and Parcells still kicked his ass out the door. He wasnt even good enough to be the 4th/5th corner. Maybe your coaching staff can get something out of him.
If it makes you feel better, he probably won't make the team.
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So? He wasnt gonna start for us either and Parcells still kicked his ass out the door. He wasnt even good enough to be the 4th/5th corner. Maybe your coaching staff can get something out of him.
But you were talking like we needed him desperately to play at corner for us.
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This from today's SF Chronicle Sporting Green:

The parade of picks by the SF secondary was ... an expression of joyous thievery.

"They were feeding us good today," said CB Dre Bly. "That buffet was good"

SF defenders had 5 INTs from Jamarcus Russell & Gradkowski, with Clements getting one from each. The Gradkowski pick came when he was covering Raiders' top pick Darrius Heyward-Bey. Clements was the star of the day with 3 INTs & a pass broken up.

Sounds like they really took DHB to school.

Bly & Clements have a combined 18 yrs. NFL experience & both called the morning session the best practice in which they've ever taken part...."Our swagger was there -- we were whooping & hollering."

Rookie LB Diyral Briggs who's trying to make the roster at OLB had an INT just by following Russell's eyes for the leaping grab.

Cable took the blame for the pisspoor Raiders showing, saying he told Russell to "cut it loose" vs. playing it safe.

The Raiders also cut veteran FB Lorenzo Neal to make room for FS Rashad Baker.
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Were looking really good this offseason.
but i got two questions:
1) do you guys still want to sign crabtree?
2) do you think brit miller and reggie smiths position changes help the team?
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1) do you guys still want to sign crabtree?
Absolutely. Not only is he a tremendously talented player but why would I want the team to have wasted a 1st round pick on a player that never signs???

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2) do you think brit miller and reggie smiths position changes help the team?
The Reggie Smith move was a no-brainer IMO. I don't know why they didn't do it last season. As for Miller, I won't read too much into his two TD catches as he wasn't even covered. He is about as raw as possible as a prospect and his lack of experience as a blocking back could keep him off the final roster.
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but why would I want the team to have wasted a 1st round pick on a player that never signs???
I love crabtree i wanted him since his freshman(rs) year. but i part of me wishes that we didnt cuz all this bull ****. but singletary is maintaining on keeping ALL the focus on the team and preparing for games.
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It's really good to hear the team has been so physical with the Raiders durings drills and scrimmages. By all reports, it seems like the Niners just laid a beating on the Black and Silver and Al's boys just took it. Having the team buy into Sing's approach early is good. Gets the bs out of the way and lets them work on getting better as a team.

It would be nice if we have found an answer at RT in Snyder and letting him concentrate on one position has paid off. That may work out better than depending on Smith's back and Boone's development and alcohol issues. He seemed pretty good his first time out.

I wish we would get better push from our front 3. It would sure make life easier for our outside backers.

Crabtree won't matter at this point for the upcoming season, so I'm pretty sure he isn't really being talked about too much inside the locker room and Singletary just has them focusing on winning with the guys they have. Losing him to next year's draft would be a pr blow but not much can be done if you are negotiating with a guy whowants to play by a different set of rules. I guess they shouldn't have drafted a guy who came across as so immature but their options were limited. Oh well, I'm sure something gets done at some point.
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Crabs will get signed at some point, but he likely won't be much of a factor this season, which is a shame, especially when he'll still be one of the higher paid players on the team.

I highly doubt he goes into next year's draft after skipping a year and not signing with a team and goes in the Top 10. Bottom line is, he won't get more cash next year, so Crabs will sign at some point. Until then, the Niners have a lot of good momentum and maybe the extra WR spot goes to Ziegler.
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Yeah the team will roll on without Crabs and once he realizes this, he'll sign.
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Yeah the team will roll on without Crabs and once he realizes this, he'll sign.
I dont even think it'll be that. He'll wait probably until the season starts or early in the season, and then sign, so he get's his money because he knows that he'll never see $16 mill guaranteed if he re-enters the draft.
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Glen Coffee is ******* sick!
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im pretty sure frank gore and glen coffee are gonna be ******* bosses dude and micheal robinson isnt doing to bad either.
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im pretty sure frank gore and glen coffee are gonna be ******* bosses dude and micheal robinson isnt doing to bad either.
Even Korey Sheets was getting some action.
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the back field of Gore/Coffee/Sheets excites me.
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Me too.
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another pick. dude im lovin the backfield even though im not impressed with smith or hill at this point. davis stepped up.
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Good win. I hope we run like that all season.
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Is the Raiders' run D really that bad? Seemed like there was a massive hole or a sealed edge on almost every run play.
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Our QB's were awful. That was embarrassing to watch.

At least we have a kickass running game.
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Yes it is that bad, the Raiders were like 31st vs the run last season. And it showed Saturday night.

If they gave out RotYr. awards on Labor Day I think Glen Coffee would be the winner, end of story. He had 3 breakaway long runs & so far in preseason is looking like the Impact Rookie steal not taken in the 1st rd. He's made everybody forget about this huge delay in not signing Crabtree.

When he declared for the draft like all Bama fans I cursed loudly & thought this is our loss, he was the Tide's leading ground gainer running behind Andre Smith on their left side & reminds everyone of a young Marion Barber III. I'll stick with that comparison, he's offering Singletary's staff an option they haven't had in awhile in SF, a 2-back combo for a power running game.

The flip side of that is that after watching the 2 QBs play the 9ers might be forced to convert to a running offense b/c neither Smith nor Hill looked like NFL-quality QBs vs Oakland. Hill has no zip whatever on his passes & Smith didnt even seem to have his head in the game, still looks at only one receiver, still has that deer in the headlights look when he faces pressure int the pocket. With no Crabtree on the roster & the 2 QBs competing to see which one can dick up the offense worse, maybe the 9ers should just hand the ball off a lot this season.

Just kidding, sportsfans.... clearly Singletary s/b giving Hill & Smith some serious ass-chewing this wk. when he looks at films. The bigger disappointment for the broadcasters was miking Mike Singletary & him keeping his mouth shut thru most of the game Hey, he's an ordained Baptist minister, it's not like he's going to say a lot of curse words on the air now is it?

Maybe it's too early, but we can start the countdown on Trade Crabtree's Rights Now in 5........4 ..........3........... 2 .........????. I would say trade him to the Giants since they've lost Plaxico & are auditioning a lot of rookies (maybe the 9ers could get Northern Calif. local tree-sized WR Ramses Barden in the trade), but odds are they will finish a lot higher than the 9ers this yr so why bother......

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Since I actually got to watch the game this week I decided to do a long-winded position-by-position analysis

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Alex Smith - I really don't think Smith played poorly at all. His numbers looked terrible (3/9 for 30 yards and a pick) but if you actually watched the game you saw that the incompletions and interception were not really his fault. One incomplete pass came on a throw away and I did not see anyone open, another came on a throw away when I think I saw Davis open so that one could be blamed on Smith, one was a little off target because it was tipped at the LoS but still catchable by Bruce, one should have been caught by Davis but he dropped it, the interception should have been caught by Morgan but I guess he heard footsteps, and the final incompletion came when Smith turned around and had Raiders in his face and it was amazing he even got rid of the ball. Smith also knocked the **** out of Greg Ellis and made a great tackle on Ricky Brown.

Shaun Hill - Hill actually looked worse than Smith. The two deep passes that he threw were well off target and his two attempts to Morgan would have been easy interceptions for any decent cornerback. The play to Battle was nice but that was by design, all Hill had to do was toss it 3 yards to him and he did the work.

QB Competition - If this game did anything to affect the competition it was proving that Alex Smith still has a shot to win it. He looked better than Hill, though not be much, against the Raiders first team defense than Hill did against the Raiders second team. If I had to grade each one's performance I would give Smith a 5.5/10 and Hill a 4/10. I would like to see Smith get the start next week because I don't really think we saw enough last night to evaluate him.

Nate Davis: He looked the best out of the three quarterbacks but he did not look great. His passes were a little off target early on and he seemed pretty nervous, which is expected of a rookie QB. He calmed down after a series or so and actually looked okay. It seemed that the coaches were making him play it safe, however, because all his throws were short to intermediate. I would have liked to see him get to air it out more.

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Frank Gore - Did not see enough of him to really judge but we know that he will be ready for the regular season and we know he is our best running back.

Glen Coffee - If last night was any indication then Coffee is going to be a fantastic back-up to Gore and we can give him 5-10 carries a game and expect 40+ yards with those carries. Maybe our offensive line was just dominating, and it was, but Coffee was finding the hole and exploding through it and he never went down after first contact. He showed great straight ahead speed and power. He also picked up the blitz well.

Michael Robinson - This was by far the best game, preseason or regular season, that Robinson has had. Before last night I thought he could not play running back because he relied too much on his power and would always just run straight ahead hoping that there was a hole there. Last night he was patient, waiting for his blockers and for the hole to develop, and then he exploded through the hole. Like Coffee, he did not go down on first contact either. If we put him at QB in our 'wildcat" and line Gore and Coffee up next to him teams will not know what to do. He also had a couple of nice blocked while playing lead blocker.

Kory Sheets - I am still sad about the loss of Thomas Clayton but Sheets has looked damn good himself in these first two preseason games. He was not as reliable at Coffee or MRob last night, he would gain 1 or 2 yards and then bust a 7-10 yard run, but he came through when it mattered and his touchdown run was pretty good. It looked like he was going to lose yards but he cutback and found a gaping hole to the endzone.

FB:
Moran Norris played about 10 plays that I saw and did not do anything spectacular. Bret Miller looked good blocking later in the game.

TE:
Vernon Davis - His blocking was fantastic, as usual, but he did drop a catchable pass from Alex Smith early on. Still, he caught two other passes and that is more than I expected out of him. He was targeted 4 times in the first half so it is pretty obvious that Jimmy Raye is going to get him involved.

Delanie Walker - I don't know if he has beefed up but he looked, to me, bigger this year. Had a nice run after catch on his 26 yard gain but did not look good as a blocker.

I did not see anything from Bear Pascoe or J.J. Finley.

WR:
None of the wide receivers were very impressive. Isaac Bruce, as mentioned earlier, did not give much effort on a pass it looked like he could have gotten and Josh Morgan got scared going over the middle and let a pass bounce off of his hands for a pick. None of the receivers were getting much separation. Arnaz Battle made a good catch on 3rd down and had a nice run on his second catch. Jason Hill was the only receiver who really did anything but it was so late in the game I don't think it mean much. Dominique Zeigler was targeted once or twice and I did not even see Micheal Spurlock on offense.

OL:
Joe Staley - Looked really good in pass protection and every time we ran to left we gained good yardage.

Tony Wragge - He was giving up a lot of pressure in pass protection but opened up some huge holes in the running game and had a few key blocks that sprang long runs.

Eric Heitmann - The only time I saw him get pushed back was when we were at the goalline and Coffee got caught in the backfield but the whole o-line was pushed back that play.

Chilo Rachal - Had a few very good blocks in the running game, including a couple pull blocks which he looked great on. He could stand to get better at pass protection because he was beaten twice that I saw.

Adam Snyder - He played well. He did not have any big mistakes and he had a few good blocks. I hope his injury is not serious.

The back-up offensive linemen all played very well as a whole. Cody Wallace, Barry Simes, and Joe Toledo, especially, has pretty good games. Marvel Smith gave up some pressure in pass protection but looked powerful run blocking. Alex Boone had a solid game at right tackle when he came in at the beginning of the 4th quarter.

Offense:
Overall, I think the offense looked okay. The running game and offensive line were excellent but the quarterbacking and receivers were sub-par. I think that they will be better once the starting QB is decided.

DL:
Isaac Sopoaga - I am surprised by how long he was in the game. He started at defensive end across from Justin Smith and was doing a decent job and then he switched to defensive tackle later in the game and looked worse.

Aubrayo Franklin - It seemed like he was everywhere on the first couple Raider drives. He was always around the ball carrier on running plays and was pushing his man back or taking up double teams. He had a good game.

Justin Smith - Was collapsing the pocket on pretty much every play as whoever was blocking him was obviously out of his league. Was blatantly held on Jamarcus Russell's touchdown pass.

Kentwan Balmer - Maybe he won't be a bust. He was arguable our best defensive lineman last night. At nose tackle he was pushing the pocket back and holding the point of attack against the run. He also hit Bruce Gradkowski's hand which allowed Scott McKillop to make the interception.

Everyone else on the defensive line (Ricky Jean-Francois, Demetric Evans, Pannel Egboh, and Khalif Mitchell) looked stout against the run but did not stand out.

LB:
Manny Lawson - I thought he looked good. He was pushing whoever tried to block him back into Russell almost every time he pass rushed and he ran right through Zach Miller before tackling Darren McFadden for a 1 yard gain. If he wasn't in Russell's face at the goalline early on than the Raiders would have had an easy touchdown.

Takeo Spikes - Looked very strong against the run. Made a couple of tackles for short gains.

Jeff Ulbrich - Filled in solidly for Patrick Willis. He did not make any mistakes that I saw and was solid against the run.

Ahmad Brooks - Brooks was putting a lot of pressure on Russell off of the edge. It seemed that he was a step or two away from him on every play when he came off the corner.

Scott McKillop, Diyral Briggs, and Marques Harris stood out amongst the back-up linebackers. Harris and Briggs were applying a lot of pressure off of the edge and McKillop was around the ball on almost every play he was in for.

DB:
Nate Clements - He made one mistake when he didn't turn and run with Johnnie Lee Higgins early on but he did the veteran thing and just grabbed him to prevent the touchdown. Looked okay other than that. He took responsibility for the Murphy touchdown but I think it was Roman's fault

Dre Bly - Looked very good. I did not see him beat in coverage once and he was good against the run.

Dashon Goldson - I would have liked him to knock that pass out of Tony Stewart's hands, it looked like he could have hit him harder, but he did not do anything bad.

Mark Roman - To me it looked like it was his responsibility to be on Louis Murphy on the touchdown, it shouldn't have happened anyway because Justin Smith was held. I did not him do anything else, good or bad.

Carlos Thomas and Jahi Word-Daniels both looked good in coverage. Reggie Smith was solid, as was Marcus Hudson. I would have liked to see more from Shawntae Spencer. Curtis Taylor bit on two playaction passes.

Defense:
Considering they were playing without Patrick Willis I think the defense was great. The Raiders offensive line could not get any push at all in the running game and the 49ers were continuously putting pressure on with a 4 man rush. I am still worried about the pass rush, however, because it was the Raiders.

Special Teams:
Joe Nedney - I can understand him missing the 51 yard field goal but he has no excuse for kicking the ball out of bounds on the kickoff.

Andy Lee - His second punt was very high, allowing the coverage to get down there and recover the fumble, but he could have angled his first one a little better to pin the Raiders deep.

Allen Rossum - I am not sure what he was thinking on those two punt returns seeing as there were Raider players right in front of him. Let's hope he doesn't try that **** in the regular season.

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wow lol thats a breakdown but i agree.
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I'd like to see us pass more the next preseason game. The running game is established as a strength, time to iron out our weakness.

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Since I actually got to watch the game this week I decided to do a long-winded position-by-position analysis



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None of the wide receivers were very impressive. Isaac Bruce, as mentioned earlier, did not give much effort on a pass it looked like he could have gotten and Josh Morgan got scared going over the middle and let a pass bounce off of his hands for a pick. None of the receivers were getting much separation. Arnaz Battle made a good catch on 3rd down and had a nice run on his second catch. Jason Hill was the only receiver who really did anything but it was so late in the game I don't think it mean much. Dominique Zeigler was targeted once or twice and I did not even see Micheal Spurlock on offense.

Kentwan Balmer - Maybe he won't be a bust. He was arguable our best defensive lineman last night. At nose tackle he was pushing the pocket back and holding the point of attack against the run. He also hit Bruce Gradkowski's hand which allowed Scott McKillop to make the interception.
1. Yeh It does look like we nee Crabtree afterall
2. I noticed Balmer played well too, but it WAS against the Raiders
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QB

Shaun Hill - Mr. Sloppy-Get-It-Done is what I call him. I swear he has the worst mechanics but gets it done. Neither QB looked good yesterday. Hill's deep balls were shotty, one sailing over Battles head and one just missing Robinson's hands by an inch. I think his decision making on the run is what separates him from Alex Smith. He lit up Greg Ellis too.

Alex Smith - Pocket Presence. Moved well in the Pocket and avoided some sacks. Arm looks the same from last game. Threw one high and threw some wobbly passes. Like I said, neither QB impressed yesterday but his movement in the pocket caught my eye.

Nate Davis - Was this guy gettin' done or what? I came away very impressed with his touch on some throws. He's known for his big arm so it was nice to see some finesse. He avoided a couple sacks. Given the talent level when he was playing, Nate Davis did a good job.

Backfield

Glenn Coffee - Showed great vision and patience. Loved how finished the runs by lowering the shoulder and dishing out some punishment of his own.

Michael Robinson - Can you say surprising? Like Coffee, he showed patience and vision with a little bit of power. He impressed the **** out of me yesterday. I have a hard time believing this guy was ever a QB.

Korey Sheets - Definitely the change of pace guy we've been hurtin' for these past years. Very shifty and smart. I'm glad he's on the team. Tough little guy.

Moran Norris - Bullied people when he was in. Pushed the pile.. regular day's work for Moran.

Brit Miller - Why was this guy playing Linebacker? He looked like a vet, at times, while pushing gaps and punishing defenders. I like the group of FBs we have.

Bill Rentmeester - Kesey who? This guy stepped in and did the **** yesterday. He pummeled a couple raiders on those Coffee runs. I hope he makes the final squad because we could use some home grown talent like this guy.

More on the rest of the team later.
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