Green Bay Packers Discussion - Page 500

PACKmanN · 08-19-2009, 02:56 PM

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Packers coach Mike McCarthy on reports that QB Brett Favre will sign with the Vikings: "I'm not surprised," said McCarthy. "Nobody should be surprised."

Packers defense is running a nickel package that features DEs B.J. Raji and Cullen Jenkins during team drills.

Packers T Breno Giacomini is taking snaps at RT with the first-team line during a move-the-ball drill. The line also has OL Jason Spitz at C and OL Josh Sitton at RG.

Packers QB Brian Brohm was suckered into giving CB Charles Woodson an easy INT during a red zone team drill. WR Jordy Nelson was running an out pattern and appeared to be open, but Woodson stepped in front of him. Woodson later picked off QB Matt Flynn .

Packers QB Brian Brohm has looked inconsistent today, his passes haven't been on target. He just overthrew RB Tyrell Sutton on a check down near the end zone.

From yesterday but Brohm is not impressing me one bit. The more he's on the field, the less I like him actually.

I'm not surpirsed with Brohm, it isn't easy for young qbs to develop as fast as some would like. Rodgers wasn't as good as he is now when he was in his second year. Give him 3-4 years before we judge him.

tjsunstein · 08-19-2009, 03:00 PM

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I'm not surpirsed with Brohm, it isn't easy for young qbs to develop as fast as some would like. Rodgers wasn't as good as he is now when he was in his second year. Give him 3-4 years before we judge him.

Of course, of course. Brohm can develop into a solid backup in time but I guess I'm greedy looking for immediate results from a second rounder. Just nitpicking, though. It looks as if Rodgers goes down (knock on wood), this team will too.

RyanBraun8 · 08-20-2009, 11:00 AM

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Of course, of course. Brohm can develop into a solid backup in time but I guess I'm greedy looking for immediate results from a second rounder. Just nitpicking, though. It looks as if Rodgers goes down (knock on wood), this team will too.

Don't know about that.... Flynn has continued to look really good and has also improved his arm strength a bunch. He is a smart QB who can manage a game, just look what he did at LSU. Rodgers goes down it will hurt but I think we can still win with Flynn. With Brohm though, yeah the team will sink.

cvv84 · 08-20-2009, 11:56 AM

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Don't know about that.... Flynn has continued to look really good and has also improved his arm strength a bunch. He is a smart QB who can manage a game, just look what he did at LSU. Rodgers goes down it will hurt but I think we can still win with Flynn. With Brohm though, yeah the team will sink.

I wouldn't say Flynn has looked good as I would say he's lookd better than Brohm. As you said, Flynn can manage the game, which shows because he likes the check down options in the passing game. I like his mobility but he looks timid when throwing the intermediate and deep passes. Flynn's developing but if he were to start for any reason I think our offense would be dramatically different.

As for Brohm, I have to agree with tjsunstein. He was a 2nd round pick and TT even mentioned that he was considering trading up in the 1st round to draft him. There has to be some mechanical flaw with him because from what I'm seen is that his passes are sailing high way too much. Will he figure it out? Maybe. But I don't think we're going to get our investment back with him. Pat Lee has been another disapointing player so far too.

umphrey · 08-20-2009, 04:40 PM

If we put Flynn or Brohm in the game, the defense isn't going to bother covering anyone more than 5-10 yards deep.

johbur · 08-22-2009, 04:15 AM

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Just found this: Harrell thinks career could be over

And really, is anyone surprised? Harrell was easily TT's worst pick and was even worse than Jamal Reynolds by Sherman, given that Harrell was known to be injured when he was drafted. TT had a great draft this year and if his players would stop selling codeine Harrell wouldn't even be an issue as Jolly looked fantastic against the Browns. I just don't know if he's here for the whole season.

Side note, Desmond Bishop has GOT to see the field this year in a major way.

umphrey · 08-23-2009, 03:29 PM

Brett Favre and Jay Cutler combined for 40 picks last season, 1st and 2nd in the league. Get ready Woodson, Collins, and what looks to be a pretty good pass rush!

Barbre has looked good so far. I might even go as far to say that the right side of our line is the superior run blocking side.

These guys, in my opinion, have played good enough that they have earned regular season playing time: Bishop, D Wynn, Barbre, Finley

I like the MLB cross blitz we have been using. I hope we don't wear it out by the middle of the year though.

I was pretty shocked, but Scott actually gave us the best review of any draft this year. We got the only A. He usually hates on the Packers and the last 2-3 years his review sounded like the devil's advocate...was our draft that great?

cvv84 · 08-23-2009, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by umphrey

Brett Favre and Jay Cutler combined for 40 picks last season, 1st and 2nd in the league. Get ready Woodson, Collins, and what looks to be a pretty good pass rush!

Barbre has looked good so far. I might even go as far to say that the right side of our line is the superior run blocking side.

These guys, in my opinion, have played good enough that they have earned regular season playing time: Bishop, D Wynn, Barbre, Finley

I like the MLB cross blitz we have been using. I hope we don't wear it out by the middle of the year though.

I was pretty shocked, but Scott actually gave us the best review of any draft this year. We got the only A. He usually hates on the Packers and the last 2-3 years his review sounded like the devil's advocate...was our draft that great?

Good points. I completely agree with you on those 4 guys earning playing time. I've said this since we drafted Bishop, the guy is just built for the 3-4. Wynn has been a pleasant suprise so far. Hopefully he can work into the rotation and maybe even play RE when we're in our 4-3 nickel package. I'm high on Giacomini but Barbre hasn't done anything to lose his job. Finley should enjoy a nice breakout season and give Rodgers yet another weapon.

Hawk · 08-23-2009, 04:26 PM

I'm real excited about Finley. He could develop into such a big time weapon for us.

TitleTown088 · 08-24-2009, 01:51 PM

Granted it's buffalo and Cleveland, but... 9 turnovers in two games and 89 min of scoreless football is very impressive.

cvv84 · 08-24-2009, 09:14 PM

McCarthy officially names his starting offense line:

LT - Clifton
LG - Colledge
C - Spitz
RG - Sitton
RT - Barbre

Overall I like it. Spitz adds strength to the center position. Sitton is a good combination of zone blocker and power blocker. Barbre I like but Giacomini is the future if you ask me. I'm glad we named the line early this year unlike in the past.

TitleTown088 · 08-24-2009, 10:09 PM

Uh Matthews won't play this week according to tom P. I Know it's the smart thing to do with a hammy, but I really want to see him out there. Now I'll have to wait until game 4.

Greg Bedard says to look for Pops to start week one.

ChezPower4 · 08-25-2009, 07:54 AM

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I'm real excited about Finley. He could develop into such a big time weapon for us.

He looked excellent in the Game at the Bills. I think that Finley will create a lot of mismatches for our offense and the coaches will really look to exploit our opponents with him.

drowe · 08-25-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by cvv84

McCarthy officially names his starting offense line:

LT - Clifton
LG - Colledge
C - Spitz
RG - Sitton
RT - Barbre

Overall I like it. Spitz adds strength to the center position. Sitton is a good combination of zone blocker and power blocker. Barbre I like but Giacomini is the future if you ask me. I'm glad we named the line early this year unlike in the past.

i like it too. and now there's a lot of talk about trading scott wells. i'd like to keep him. ya know the packers won't get much in return considering he's gonna go somewhere and immediately improve the middle of an o-line.

johbur · 08-25-2009, 12:16 PM

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i like it too. and now there's a lot of talk about trading scott wells. i'd like to keep him. ya know the packers won't get much in return considering he's gonna go somewhere and immediately improve the middle of an o-line.

That's interesting. Maybe they liked what they saw from Duke Preston or one of the other interior linemen. I love Wells' game, but he's coming back from injury, so I'm not surprised he's not starting. Not sure what his trade value would be. I think he'd be better on the team, but he doesn't play OG, so maybe TT/MM want an OG/C back-up.

Side note: I had a perverse sense of joy watching Farv get plowed by Tamba Hali. I hope Bryant McKinney looks like that against us.

cvv84 · 08-25-2009, 12:38 PM

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That's interesting. Maybe they liked what they saw from Duke Preston or one of the other interior linemen. I love Wells' game, but he's coming back from injury, so I'm not surprised he's not starting. Not sure what his trade value would be. I think he'd be better on the team, but he doesn't play OG, so maybe TT/MM want an OG/C back-up.

Side note: I had a perverse sense of joy watching Farv get plowed by Tamba Hali. I hope Bryant McKinney looks like that against us.

I think it's more of a numbers thing. Wells is due to make $1.7 million while Preston is only making $800k.

I like Wells but we're moving more towards a combination of the zone blocking and power scheme. At this point though I think Wells isn't going anywhere. Preston hasn't really impressed and although Wells makes more, his presence makes it easier to transition if Spit has to move back to guard for any reason.

bearsfan_51 · 08-25-2009, 01:04 PM

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Don't know about that.... Flynn has continued to look really good and has also improved his arm strength a bunch. He is a smart QB who can manage a game, just look what he did at LSU. Rodgers goes down it will hurt but I think we can still win with Flynn. With Brohm though, yeah the team will sink.

The Packers running game and defense isn't good enough to win with a 'game manager.'

cvv84 · 08-25-2009, 01:47 PM

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I think it's more of a numbers thing. Wells is due to make $1.7 million while Preston is only making $800k.

I like Wells but we're moving more towards a combination of the zone blocking and power scheme. At this point though I think Wells isn't going anywhere. Preston hasn't really impressed and although Wells makes more, his presence makes it easier to transition if Spit has to move back to guard for any reason.

Wow, either I'm lucky or just good.

Packers informed C Duke Preston of his release.

jackalope · 08-25-2009, 02:33 PM

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Wow, either I'm lucky or just good.

Packers informed C Duke Preston of his release.

Good, I was hoping we'd keep Wells.

TitleTown088 · 08-25-2009, 03:06 PM

I felt the Preston move coming as well.

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The Packers running game and defenseisn't good enough to win with a 'game manager.'

You'll be eating that part of the comment week one. :)

Justin Harrell says his career isn't over. He's on medication and should play. Ooo boy, look out... Right?

Boston · 08-25-2009, 03:14 PM

Has Poppinga really shown anything so far that would suggest that he'll be good in the 3-4? I know he's always been good against the run, but it seems like every time McCarthy talks about him it's all positive in order to motivate Matthews and Thompson to come back and prove themselves again. Yeah he was involved in two turnovers against the Bills, but neither one of those was really a credit to anything he did. More of a right place at the right time thing.

drowe · 08-25-2009, 03:16 PM

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Justin Harrell says his career isn't over. He's on medication and should play. Ooo boy, look out... Right?

the biggest instance of me being a homer is my insistance that justin harrell will have a good year this year. i refuse to let go of this hope.

bearsfan_51 · 08-25-2009, 03:18 PM

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You'll be eating that part of the comment week one. :)

You're going to beat us with Matt Flynn?

drowe · 08-25-2009, 03:19 PM

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Has Poppinga really shown anything so far that would suggest that he'll be good in the 3-4?

well, he was a DE in college, so it would seem like a semi-natural position move for him.

and, he's been quietly having a very solid training camp.

i'd have a hard time getting excited about him as our starting OLB. he's like the person on the team that everyone is supposed to love, but i just can't buy him as more than a good backup.

TitleTown088 · 08-25-2009, 03:34 PM

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You're going to beat us with Matt Flynn?

The bolded part brah.
I would have expected a professor to have good reading comprehension... ;)