Head Spin: Donovan vs Eli - Page 3

Sniper · 08-20-2009, 10:03 AM

QB rating is garbage. Let's refrain from using it.

Brothgar · 08-20-2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Sniper

QB rating is garbage. Let's refrain from using it.

Quoted for truth QB rating is the worst stat ever.

scottyboy · 08-20-2009, 10:23 AM

yea, QB rating for the loss. i'm not a fan of it.

But still, if you wanna talk clutch, Donovan's clutch, no doubt about it. But Eli's done some pretty clutch things. You can't possibly take away the last drive of the Super Bowl away from him.

SeanTaylorRIP · 08-20-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by broth223

Quoted for truth QB rating is the worst stat ever.

Yup Jason Campbell's QB rating through last year is perfect evidence to this.

Brothgar · 08-20-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by scottyboy

yea, QB rating for the loss. i'm not a fan of it.

But still, if you wanna talk clutch, Donovan's clutch, no doubt about it. But Eli's done some pretty clutch things. You can't possibly take away the last drive of the Super Bowl away from him.

Wait... wat?

scottyboy · 08-20-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by broth223

Wait... wat?

perhaps not in the postseason, but McNabb's come up clutch throughout his career. He's driven mediocre offenses down the field and scored. He was totez anti-clutch in the Super Bowl and the whole puking thing, but I would say McNabb's clutch.

He's not nearly as clutch as Eli, but McNabb's had his fair share of clutch moments.

Eaglez.Fan · 08-20-2009, 11:02 AM

I agree that the QB rating isn't the greatest but if we are judging their individual performances, you can't go by wins an losses because the game is determined by much more than one person. The QB rating just shows that individually, Eli and Donovan have not performed all that differently in the playoffs. Despite one of them having a ring.

scottyboy · 08-20-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Eaglez.Fan

I agree that the QB rating isn't the greatest but if we are judging their individual performances, you can't go by wins an losses because the game is determined by much more than one person. The QB rating just shows that individually, Eli and Donovan have not performed all that differently in the playoffs. Despite one of them having a ring.

well, that and Eli was able to keep his lunch in his stomach :D

but no, they've preformed a lot differently, based on said ring and Eli's last drive of the Super Bowl. QB rating goes up a lot with TD passes, which Eli didn't have many of due to when we get inside the 10, we've got this guy who's the size of a linebacker who likes goal line touches.

xxxxxxxx · 08-20-2009, 07:30 PM

Ha i love the neg rep from giants fans. Just my opinion.

scottyboy · 08-20-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CDCB14

Ha i love the neg rep from giants fans. Just my opinion.

no, people hate on Eli all the time with their opinion. You gave no reason just said that he looked unathletic and was a joke. god forbid you actually give reason or anything and not be one of the stereotypical cowboys fan that's an ignorant fool.

FUNBUNCHER · 08-30-2009, 02:20 AM

Eli IMO is a game manager par excellence who is capable of brief moments of brilliance( see Giants SB run), but he needs a big WR to catch those jump balls and an elite running game in order for him to be successful.

Without a QB with Donovan's skill set, there is no offense in Philly for the last 10 years. In most seasons, especially early in his career, McNabb WAS the offense. Except for T.O. and Stallworth, his WRs as a whole have been garbage, his RBs forgettable. It's just been him and Jim Johnson riding herd on the D, that's it.

If McNabb had the Giants running game and their current WRs, I think Donovan would have an inside track to winning his first SB.

Eli's value primarily is exclusive to the Giants because he's their starting QB, but I can't imagine too many situations in the NFL where Eli would dramatically improve an average to good team's standing with his presence alone.
Would he make the Cowboys a better team? Possibly.
He'd make the Skins a solid playoff contender because their WR corps is vastly underrated.

I'm still amazed by the amount of clutch plays Eli made in the Giants SB run, and for those who give him minimal credit for the upset of the Patriots weren't watching the game closely.

Eli is a good QB.
Donovan McNabb is, (or was for most of his career), a special QB.

Brothgar · 08-30-2009, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

Eli IMO is a game manager par excellence who is capable of brief moments of brilliance( see Giants SB run), but he needs a big WR to catch those jump balls and an elite running game in order for him to be successful.

Without a QB with Donovan's skill set, there is no offense in Philly for the last 10 years. In most seasons, especially early in his career, McNabb WAS the offense. Except for T.O. and Stallworth, his WRs as a whole have been garbage, his RBs forgettable. It's just been him and Jim Johnson riding herd on the D, that's it.

If McNabb had the Giants running game and their current WRs, I think Donovan would have an inside track to winning his first SB.

Eli's value primarily is exclusive to the Giants because he's their starting QB, but I can't imagine too many situations in the NFL where Eli would dramatically improve an average to good team's standing with his presence alone.
Would he make the Cowboys a better team? Possibly.
He'd make the Skins a solid playoff contender because their WR corps is vastly underrated.

I'm still amazed by the amount of clutch plays Eli made in the Giants SB run, and for those who give him minimal credit for the upset of the Patriots weren't watching the game closely.

Westbrook is a better RB than McNabb is a QB IMHO problem comes when you don't use your RB at all. He was more talented than Edge in their prime.

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Eli is a good QB.
Donovan McNabb is, (or was for most of his career), was an injured QB.

Fixed that for you.

superman8456 · 08-30-2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by broth223

Westbrook is a better RB than McNabb is a QB IMHO problem comes when you don't use your RB at all. He was more talented than Edge in their prime.

Fixed that for you.

We get it, you hate McNabb. Stop trying to discredit everything hes done in his career, which is a lot more than most QB's can say, based off of your hate.

Brothgar · 08-30-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by superman8456

We get it, you hate McNabb. Stop trying to discredit everything hes done in his career, which is a lot more than most QB's can say, based off of your hate.

That was more props to Westbrook than hate on McNabb. Unless you were talking about the second part which is 100% true.

FUNBUNCHER · 08-30-2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by broth223

Westbrook is a better RB than McNabb is a QB IMHO problem comes when you don't use your RB at all. He was more talented than Edge in their prime.

Eli is a good QB.
Donovan McNabb is, (or was for most of his career), was an injured QB.

Fixed that for you.

That's cute, but did I ask you to insert your opinion over mine??

If you think McNabb is more injury-prone than he is talented, then you post it.
Don't cannibalize mine.

And how bizarre is it to critique McNabb for his injury history but then to give Westbrook, one of the most brittle RBs in the pros, a pass on the same argument??

Westbrook is an all-purpose/3rd down RB, but his injuries have prevented the Eagles from having a consistent running game.

Mcnabb carries the Eagles on offense, not Westbrook.

Brothgar · 08-30-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

That's cute, but did I ask you to insert your opinion over mine??

If you think McNabb is more injury-prone than he is talented, then you post it.
Don't cannibalize mine.

WTF are you talking about?

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

And how bizarre is it to critique McNabb for his injury history but then to give Westbrook, one of the most brittle RBs in the pros, a pass on the same argument??

Because he is a RB by the nature of the game RBs get injured more often. This is a league that has multiple rules to keep QBs from getting injured.

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

Westbrook is an all-purpose/3rd down RB, but his injuries have prevented the Eagles from having a consistent running game.

Mcnabb carries the Eagles on offense, not Westbrook.

Yet when the Eagles give Westbrook touches they win games.

FUNBUNCHER · 08-30-2009, 04:16 PM

broth223 'wrote'
Quote:Eli is a good QB.
Donovan McNabb is, (or was for most of his career), was an injured QB.

Fixed that for you.

I wrote originally;

Eli is a good QB.
Donovan McNabb is, (or was for most of his career), a special QB.

Dude, no one asked you to change special to injured, that's what I was talking about.

Don't put my words in your mouth.

Brothgar · 08-30-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

broth223 'wrote'
Quote:Eli is a good QB.
Donovan McNabb is, (or was for most of his career), was an injured QB.

Fixed that for you.

I wrote originally;

Eli is a good QB.
Donovan McNabb is, (or was for most of his career), a special QB.

Dude, no one asked you to change special to injured, that's what I was talking about.

Don't put my words in your mouth.

LOL people do that all the time on these boards. Better get use to it.

FUNBUNCHER · 08-30-2009, 04:27 PM

Yeah, and people rob little old women all the time too, doesn't make it right!!LOL

And who else besides you broth223 thinks Westbrook is a better RB than McNabb is a QB??

Based on what??

I'm from the DC Metro area and Westbrook couldn't even get a scholarship to play football from ANY school in the Big East or ACC when he graduated from DeMatha HS.

He's good, versatile WCO RB but he's not durable in the least.
I'm not saying he's overrated because few RBs in the pros can do what he does as well as he does, but he's far from more valuable than McNabb is as a QB.

The reason the Eagles offense suffers when he's not playing is because the Eagles have absolutely, (except for maybe this yer), minimal depth at RB.

2 Live Crew · 08-30-2009, 06:54 PM

For this year? McNabb easy....

Crickett · 08-30-2009, 07:40 PM

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Choco party, good good.

I'm sorry, what were you saying?

Brothgar · 08-30-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

Yeah, and people rob little old women all the time too, doesn't make it right!!LOL

And who else besides you broth223 thinks Westbrook is a better RB than McNabb is a QB??

Based on what??

I'm from the DC Metro area and Westbrook couldn't even get a scholarship to play football from ANY school in the Big East or ACC when he graduated from DeMatha HS.

He's good, versatile WCO RB but he's not durable in the least.
I'm not saying he's overrated because few RBs in the pros can do what he does as well as he does, but he's far from more valuable than McNabb is as a QB.

The reason the Eagles offense suffers when he's not playing is because the Eagles have absolutely, (except for maybe this yer), minimal depth at RB.

I will get to that later. but right now life = ficked up

eaglesalltheway · 08-31-2009, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

broth223 'wrote'
Quote:Eli is a good QB.
Donovan McNabb is, (or was for most of his career), was an injured QB.

Fixed that for you.

I wrote originally;

Eli is a good QB.
Donovan McNabb is, (or was for most of his career), a special QB.

Dude, no one asked you to change special to injured, that's what I was talking about.

Don't put my words in your mouth.

Dude, don't worry about it. We all know what he did and that you didnt mean what he said. It really isn't a big deal. Stealing purses from old ladies however, is a big deal.