Broncos aquire Dre Bly - Page 5

niel89 · 03-01-2007, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearsfan123

Id like a Denver fans opinion. Does this trade open up trading routes for possibly Julius Jones (I dunno if hes on the block or not, but i heard a rumor that he was) or Willis McGahee?

also thomas jones and jamal lewis

njx9 · 03-01-2007, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TacticaLion

That may be true, but having stats/a logical reason for something holds more weight than saying "I know more than you about everything, so you're wrong".

i have never implied that i know more than you about anything other than the broncos as a team, which is indisputable fact. again, you're quoting a single statistic, games started, and when i quote it back in a different context, you can't even fabricate a response, so you try to ignore it. again, denver has made the playoffs 3/4 years in which plummer has started all but 5 games (and only missed in the season he didn't start all 16). by your bizarre logic, that makes him one of the best qb's in the league. again, don't selectively use moronic stats and then try to ignore them when they don't fit.

again, ephraim salaam started 30/30 games for two years in denver in which clinton portis ran for 1500 yards and about 1600 yards, both better totals than in any season foster manned the position. by your logic, not only is salaam a better RT than foster, he's also one of the best RTs in the league. again, verifiably untrue.

i have no idea what you want me to point out here. he was BENCHED this season. he only played because meadows was hurt and we had no viable back-up. get that through your thick head. he was a back up for all intents and purposes this season. or just keep quoting starts as if it's the only meaningful fact that anyone has brought to this argument even though you refuse to respond to a single argument using your precious stat in which it's clearly being misued in the exact same context.

we won't even mention bell again, because you seem to think a 4.9 yard per carry average is far more important than being benched for fumbling in crucial situations and being injury prone. but hey, what do i know. i mean, i only WATCHED the guys. you quoted STATS.

goblue8888 · 03-02-2007, 12:39 AM

Denver will get one of macgahhe,lewis ,green or jones imo. I also think we get graham which will also bolster the run game.

njx9 · 03-02-2007, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by goblue8888

We will get one of macgahhe,lewis ,green or jones imo. I also think we get graham which will also bolster the run game.

who is we? denver? if so, i think you're deluded.

goblue8888 · 03-02-2007, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by njx9

who is we? denver? if so, i think you're deluded.

No i'am not everyone says we dont have cap space but every year they say that and we still sign people or trade for them.

njx9 · 03-02-2007, 01:01 AM

why would we sign an over the hill or over priced running back when there are several backs who would fit our system well in the draft? i also don't understand why we'd sign graham, when we already have alexander.

jth1331 · 03-02-2007, 06:13 AM

I'm a Denver fan, and I agree with njx9 that Foster is a backup OL at best. He got benched last year because his play in games and practice was horrible, and if it weren't for Adam Meadows getting hurt, Foster would never have been back on the field. Foster is also responsible for Cutler's concussion against the 49ers, Foster giving one of his "Ole" blocks. Foster does not pass block very well and is adequate at best in the running game. Denver got most of its yards running to the left side of the line, not the right. I think people just see "Denver OT" and "Former 1st round pick" and think he is actually a very good OT when he is not.
As for Tatum Bell, if he is such a good back, why did he have more fumbles than touchdowns last year? He has been hurt every year in the league, and I have no idea where it came from that he has good hands. He was hardly used as a receiver in Denver. He also has no vision, and no "power" to fight through a tackle or two. Isn't it funny Shanahan preferred an undrafted rookie RB in Mike Bell over Tatum Bell late in the season?

jth1331 · 03-02-2007, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by njx9

why would we sign an over the hill or over priced running back when there are several backs who would fit our system well in the draft? i also don't understand why we'd sign graham, when we already have alexander.

I don't know about you, but I think we need an experienced back. Anyways, I'd be more comfortable. However, I don't really like anyone we are supposedly going after.
Lewis? Yuck
Green? No thanks, too old
McGahee? Heck no

As for Graham, he is a terrific blocking TE and would allow us to actually get rid of 2 of the TE's on our roster so we can use those spots for other needs. In a way, Graham > Alexander. However, I do not want him for the money he is likely to command, which is ridiculous if you ask me. Like $10 mil guaranteed and $5 mil per year average.

goblue8888 · 03-02-2007, 07:46 AM

Graham will come here cheaper

njx9 · 03-02-2007, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jth1331

I don't know about you, but I think we need an experienced back. Anyways, I'd be more comfortable. However, I don't really like anyone we are supposedly going after.
Lewis? Yuck
Green? No thanks, too old
McGahee? Heck no

sure, if there were a good option in free agency, i'd love to not spend the draft pick. i just don't see any options that look any better than trading up for lynch right now. the only one i don't hate is mcgahee, but even then, the minuses outweigh the positives in my mind.

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As for Graham, he is a terrific blocking TE and would allow us to actually get rid of 2 of the TE's on our roster so we can use those spots for other needs. In a way, Graham > Alexander. However, I do not want him for the money he is likely to command, which is ridiculous if you ask me. Like $10 mil guaranteed and $5 mil per year average.

absolutely. if we could get graham for what we're paying alexander, i'd love it. but again, i just don't see it. for what we pay him, i think alexander is more valuable to denver right now (clearly, i could change my mind on both if the player in question came for the right price).

Bearsfan123 · 03-02-2007, 09:09 AM

im sorry, i may just not be seeing it, but what are the minuses to McGahee? Hes young, a solid runner, and will most likely be better than most anyone you can get in the draft. (Ok Lynch might be better but youd have to trade up to get him) Also the maturity issues really isnt a problem since you guys have a veteran such as Rod Smith who can help keep him in line.

njx9 · 03-02-2007, 09:15 AM

i wouldn't say maturity isn't an issue anywhere. maturity failed maurice clarett, dale carter and daryl gardner in denver (just for a few examples). i'm not sold on mcgahee as a cutback runner in denver's system, he's coming off two sub-4ypc seasons, he has an injury history, rumor (and please correct me, this is complete hearsay) has it that he didn't try very hard and that he didn't hit holes as hard as he needed to. the last one is the most damning in my mind. if true, then he's no better here than tatum was.

jth1331 · 03-02-2007, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by njx9

i wouldn't say maturity isn't an issue anywhere. maturity failed maurice clarett, dale carter and daryl gardner in denver (just for a few examples). i'm not sold on mcgahee as a cutback runner in denver's system, he's coming off two sub-4ypc seasons, he has an injury history, rumor (and please correct me, this is complete hearsay) has it that he didn't try very hard and that he didn't hit holes as hard as he needed to. the last one is the most damning in my mind. if true, then he's no better here than tatum was.

Those points make me question McGahee. Heck, he didn't even get 1,000 yards last year and I hear Anthony Thomas performed better than he did in Buffalo. I think he still lives on the Miami hype when he was predicted to be a top 5 pick before his injury. He has one decent season and 2 subpar seasons. The only positive is he is still young, 25, and could get under track in Denver, but I'm skeptical.

Bearsfan123 · 03-02-2007, 03:56 PM

But for a third you could possibly get a stud. I dunno. McGahee looks attractive to me for the Broncos, but I dont understand their running attack so my opinion is moot. Regardless, i think its a viable option to look at.

njx9 · 03-02-2007, 04:34 PM

and to be honest, i'm going off of hearsay about mcgahee, as i haven't really seen anything but his lack of fantasy production lately (which isn't all that meaningful). so i could be completely wrong and he could fit perfectly, i'm just hesitant to believe it.