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Old 03-02-2007, 09:34 PM    (permalink
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He's making a little over 7 million a year for the first 6 years.
7.25 x 6 = 43.5

That means he makes 37 million over the last 2 years, you really think he's going to see that money?

Don't be naive. This is a 6 year 43.5 million dollar contract.

Whatever makes you feel better dude.
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Too much money. Regardless if he'll ever see the full $80 million or not, he has $22 million guaranteed. The Niners probably could have drafted Leon Hall (who has the potential to be just as good as, if not better than Clements) and saved A LOT of money, which could have gone towards good, modest improvements all across the board over the next few years.

I thought Clements was overrated, but damn. $7.25 million a year (and the $22 million guaranteed) is definitely overpaying.
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****. We so overpaid..
Yeah Id say! You should have taken that money and went after someone like Adalius Thomas. A guy that versitle is worth more than a CB. And to make him the highest paid defensive player in history!?!?! Thats insane especially when the best CB in the league(Champ Bailey) isnt even making that much. I dont even see Clements as a top 5 CB in the league. My top 5 CBs are...

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Old 03-02-2007, 10:57 PM    (permalink
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Too much money. Regardless if he'll ever see the full $80 million or not, he has $22 million guaranteed. The Niners probably could have drafted Leon Hall (who has the potential to be just as good as, if not better than Clements) and saved A LOT of money, which could have gone towards good, modest improvements all across the board over the next few years.

I thought Clements was overrated, but damn. $7.25 million a year (and the $22 million guaranteed) is definitely overpaying.

Well, the FO doesnt like to draft cornerbacks. I guarantee it, whether they signed clements or not, they would and will never draft a cornerback in round 1. They see it as too big a gamble.
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Clements solves a need immediately. It allows the 9ers to now sure up other needs via the draft.
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Well, the FO doesnt like to draft cornerbacks. I guarantee it, whether they signed clements or not, they would and will never draft a cornerback in round 1. They see it as too big a gamble.
Yeah, so giving the biggest defensive contract in league history to a guy who isn't even top 5 at his position isn't a gamble?
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Yeah, so giving the biggest defensive contract in league history to a guy who isn't even top 5 at his position isn't a gamble?
I never said it wasnt.

Its just MORE of a gamble to draft a R1 CB, at least in the FO's eyes.
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I never said it wasnt.

Its just MORE of a gamble to draft a R1 CB, at least in the FO's eyes.
I'm not even going to question the FO's thought processes, it became all too clear whenever I saw this Clements deal.

Just wondering, are the same guys in charge who drafted Mike Rumph in 2002?
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I'm sure the thinktank of the 49ers, in their analysis of the free agent market, compared the search for and development of a cornerback versus a 3-4 outside linebacker in terms of draft prospects, and ultimately sided with Nate Clements over Adalius Thomas.
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I'm not even going to question the FO's thought processes, it became all too clear whenever I saw this Clements deal.

Just wondering, are the same guys in charge who drafted Mike Rumph in 2002?
No. That was terry donahue. This is Scot Mcloughan/Mike Nolan.
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I'm sure the thinktank of the 49ers, in their analysis of the free agent market, compared the search for and development of a cornerback versus a 3-4 outside linebacker in terms of draft prospects, and ultimately sided with Nate Clements over Adalius Thomas.
In a KNBR interview, mcloughan said they ranked clements as the best FA out there.
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He's making a little over 7 million a year for the first 6 years.
7.25 x 6 = 43.5

That means he makes 37 million over the last 2 years, you really think he's going to see that money?

Don't be naive. This is a 6 year 43.5 million dollar contract.
Its called taxes buddy.
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They just threw economics completely out the window in this deal. There is no way to justify Clements being the first $10 million a year defensive player. Off the top of my head I can say that Ed Reed and Champ Bailey are more deserving of that money. But what can you say, the 49ers wanted to make a splash and they made a huge one. Thank God the Titans didnt get into a bidding war for him, he isn't worth even $7.5 million a year. Good job Niners, now we will see what happens to your salary cap in 2 or 3 years
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the funny part is there paying more at the end of his contract so its going to make it hard for them to cut him when he reaches 34/35 and he isnt proforming well.
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the funny part is there paying more at the end of his contract so its going to make it hard for them to cut him when he reaches 34/35 and he isnt proforming well.

More base salary...not bonus

When the 49ers cut him in 6 seasons they will be saving a ton. You really think hes going to get 36.5 mil over the last 2 seasons of his contract?
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I'm sure the thinktank of the 49ers, in their analysis of the free agent market, compared the search for and development of a cornerback versus a 3-4 outside linebacker in terms of draft prospects, and ultimately sided with Nate Clements over Adalius Thomas.
Exactly, it's much harder to find a dominant CB than a dominant 3-4 LB. In the right system, just about any LB can be good, but when you are playing a position with the kind of responsibility that a CB has, not just anyone can handle that role.
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The Niners had a great Friday. They signed 3 starting defensive players. Lewis (S) from the Eagles, Franklin (NT/DT) from the Ravens and arguably the best FA this year, Clements (CB) from the Bills. Nolan said late Friday that they will be in talks with Thomas tomorrow and also have players like Bennett and Stallworth on their radar as well.

If they some how steal Thomas away from the Pats, while also getting a good WR in Stallworth or Bennett, all I can say is watch out for the Niners in 2007-2008.
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Geez, you people are so dumb. The contract IS NOT 8/80!!! It's 6/45, CLEMENTS WILL NOT SEE YEARS 7 AND 8!!!

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The Niners had a great Friday. They signed 3 starting defensive players. Lewis (S) from the Eagles, Franklin (NT/DT) from the Ravens and arguably the best FA this year, Clements (CB) from the Bills. Nolan said late Friday that they will be in talks with Thomas tomorrow and also have players like Bennett and Stallworth on their radar as well.

If they some how steal Thomas away from the Pats, while also getting a good WR in Stallworth or Bennett, all I can say is watch out for the Niners in 2007-2008.
how much salary cap space do you think you have? stallworth and thomas along with who they already signed? thats insane....



and i think its a good move, leon hall isnt a for sure thing, could end up like buchanon did, and maybe they wanted an impact player right away at corner....looks like their trying to win the division right now
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I like this a lot better, when I heard 35$ Million of it will never see the light of day. Now to think of it, great move 49ers.
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I like this a lot better, when I heard 35$ Million of it will never see the light of day. Now to think of it, great move 49ers.
Exactly. This is pretty good market value for a cornerback.

Im not worried about the money. Im worried he will cash in on his signing bonus and stop being competitive..
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how much salary cap space do you think you have? stallworth and thomas along with who they already signed? thats insane....



and i think its a good move, leon hall isnt a for sure thing, could end up like buchanon did, and maybe they wanted an impact player right away at corner....looks like their trying to win the division right now
Well, they had 37 going into today. Clements will probably be a cap hit of 8-9 million. Lewis about 2-3. Franklin about 1-2. So the still have 25 or so million in cap room. They can sign Thomas or Stallworth if they choose which is scary,
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This thread became pretty funny. It amazes me just how badly people misunderstand the salary cap. Great deal for SF.
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He's making a little over 7 million a year for the first 6 years.
7.25 x 6 = 43.5

That means he makes 37 million over the last 2 years, you really think he's going to see that money?

Don't be naive. This is a 6 year 43.5 million dollar contract.



His Signing Bonus is 22 million pro rated over the length of the contract that is 2.75 million per year he receives all of that

If he does last six years and gets paid $43.5 million and then gets cut, the Niners will still have $5.5million in dead cap, so in essence the contract will cost $49 million, even if they dont physically pay that. That is still money they cannot use when he is gone.

My team has seen it time and time again. Your team were crippled after the first years of free agency. Had the Redskins done this you would be laughing hard. I suggest you look in the mirror and realise that this was way too much for a player recognised not being in the Top 5 of his position.

Also if he is a bust, or gets injured the 49ers have saddled a huge dead cap hit on themselves. You will feel this, just like us Redskin fans do with Archuleta and Lloyd. I hope you guys dont regret it too bad.
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