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Old 10-07-2009, 04:17 PM    (permalink
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I predicted the collapse of Tennessee in the preseason. They had the weakest SOS last year with almost all of their tough games very late in the season. Anybody who thinks Collins is a solid QB was just dreaming and they lost their best defensive player to FA. I saw no way they would be a contender and predicted they would finish in last place in their Division so I'm not at all shocked to see them 0-4 and I also predicted that VY would be their starting QB by mid season. At least I got this one right.
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You have some Pro Bowl Corners there now... eh?
Finnegan has been injured for the past game and a half. He's questionable for the Colts game, and now Nick Harper is uncertain as well after sustaining a rib injury midgame against the Jags. Vincent Fuller, the #3 CB, fractured his wrist midgame against the Jets as well.

By the end of the Jags game, rookies Ryan Mouton and Jason McCourty were the starting two CB's out there for the Titans. It's very possible that both may start against the Colts with the injuries to the #1, #2, and #3 corners for the Titans.
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Joe Thomas has faced Jared Allen, Elvis Dummerville, Terrell Suggs, and Antwan Odom. The only sack he's given up was when he had his guy (Odom) completely owned and Anderson ran right into him.
yeah anderson doest that for you.
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You have some Pro Bowl Corners there now... eh?
We have one pro bowl corner, who is currently hurt. We do have two pro bowl safeties, though. But the entire secondary looks horrible because we are getting zero push up the middle with our pressure and quarterbacks have all day to sit there and step up into the pocket without any bodies or hands in their face.
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The Titans defense is really awful.
They did fine last year with the same personnel plus Albert Haynesworth. I have a hard time believing that Haynesworth had that big of an impact on the defense as a whole. He sat out last year in the week 16 game against Pittsburgh and the Titans easily won that game.
A lot of it has to do with the defensive play-calling and the execution of the defensive plays which are both products of coaching. The pressure and blitzes that worked last year no longer work effectively this year. Their slower to develop and by the end of the play the opposing QB is still standing in the pocket and is able to hit a WR for positive yards.
If you look at the rushing yards allowed by Tennessee then it's noticeable that the problem is not stopping the run; it's the pass rush. The Titans rank 7th in the league in allowing only 79.8 rushing yards per game but their pass defense ranks near the bottom of the league ((31st) in allowing 282.2 per game.
Last year the Titans allowed 199.8 passing yards on average which was good for 9th best in the NFL. The loss of Haynesworth doesn't affect a pass rush that much when their giving up 82+ more yards this season than they did last season. Last season with Jim Scwartz the Titans were ranked 7th in total defense, this year with Chuck Cecil their ranked 22nd in total defense.
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We have one pro bowl corner, who is currently hurt. We do have two pro bowl safeties, though. But the entire secondary looks horrible because we are getting zero push up the middle with our pressure and quarterbacks have all day to sit there and step up into the pocket without any bodies or hands in their face.
Jason Jones was out against the Jags as well, and was ejected against Houston for "punching" one of the Houston plays in a scuffle on the sideline (Jones never punched anyone, and the refs incorrectly called fouls on players on both sides who weren't the ones involved in the fight but were trying to separates the ones involved - ie, separating Andre Johnson's hands from Cortland Finnegan's facemask and helmet). Jones is the Titans's best interior pass-rusher and is being relied on greatly to help replace Haynesworth in that regard.

The biggest thing about having Haynesworth was that he was a safety blanket. The defense could lose starters, but having Fat Al in there helped protect the liable new players. Now, the injuries are popping up and they're all the more harder to overcome without the best DT in the NFL in there.
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By the end of the Jags game, rookies Ryan Mouton and Jason McCourty were the starting two CB's out there for the Titans. It's very possible that both may start against the Colts with the injuries to the #1, #2, and #3 corners for the Titans.
One thing I noticed from watching the highlights of the Jags/Titans game was how far the corners were playing off the wide receivers. They allowed at least a five to seven yard cushion before the ball was even snapped. So before the ball even reaches the quarterbacks hand you have started off with a disadvantage in the passing game. Every time the corners lined up like that Garrard nailed them for positive yards. You just can't defend the pass like that. Not to mention you have Jovan Haye and Tony Brown as your started DT's. Tony Brown is fine but Jason Jones is the one that needs to be starting next to him as every time he started last year he was consistently in the backfield. In week 16 he wreaked havoc in the Steelers backfield.
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One thing I noticed from watching the highlights of the Jags/Titans game was how far the corners were playing off the wide receivers. They allowed at least a five to seven yard cushion before the ball was even snapped. So before the ball even reaches the quarterbacks hand you have started off with a disadvantage in the passing game. Every time the corners lined up like that Garrard nailed them for positive yards. You just can't defend the pass like that. Not to mention you have Jovan Haye and Tony Brown as your started DT's. Tony Brown is fine but Jason Jones is the one that needs to be starting next to him as every time he started last year he was consistently in the backfield. In week 16 he wreaked havoc in the Steelers backfield.
Yeah, Harper has been playing so far off the ball it's ridiculous. If an opponent needs a 1st down, just have the WR on Harper run a slant and get ya what you need. Harper has had a few PI's called on him too. Jason McCourty has only had one start, so him doing it is understandable, but his cushion was wider than Harper's. He was at least 10-yards off the LOS.

Finnegan is the only man-coverage CB the Titans have, and is the only one who'll jam the line and run bump 'n run coverage. No Finne = full on zone. Lack of pass-rush, huge cushions by CB's, and miscommunication between DB's = opposing QB's carving up the secondary and having big plays through the air.

Jones is indeed the starter next to Tony Brown. Jovan Haye is the #3 guy, and Kevin Vickerson is the 6'5, 310 lbs. rotational guy when the DL needs size. SenDerrick Marks is usually inactive, but he saw action with Jones out against the Jags. The only time his name was called was when he was flagged for an intentional hands to the face penalty, lol. Marks is still a project at this point, and to an extent so is Jones. Jones came into the NFL at around 275 lbs. He's only just now at 290 lbs and has kept his quickness and athleticism, but he can still play too high and show poor technique at times. The Steelers game last season was mostly hustle and raw ability on his part. He definitely has a bright future, but he seems a bit injury prone. Titans fans still love him.
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They did fine last year with the same personnel plus Albert Haynesworth. I have a hard time believing that Haynesworth had that big of an impact on the defense as a whole. He sat out last year in the week 16 game against Pittsburgh and the Titans easily won that game.
A lot of it has to do with the defensive play-calling and the execution of the defensive plays which are both products of coaching. The pressure and blitzes that worked last year no longer work effectively this year. Their slower to develop and by the end of the play the opposing QB is still standing in the pocket and is able to hit a WR for positive yards.
If you look at the rushing yards allowed by Tennessee then it's noticeable that the problem is not stopping the run; it's the pass rush. The Titans rank 7th in the league in allowing only 79.8 rushing yards per game but their pass defense ranks near the bottom of the league ((31st) in allowing 282.2 per game.
Last year the Titans allowed 199.8 passing yards on average which was good for 9th best in the NFL. The loss of Haynesworth doesn't affect a pass rush that much when their giving up 82+ more yards this season than they did last season. Last season with Jim Scwartz the Titans were ranked 7th in total defense, this year with Chuck Cecil their ranked 22nd in total defense.
they are replacing a very good DC.
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Joe Thomas has faced Jared Allen, Elvis Dummerville, Terrell Suggs, and Antwan Odom. The only sack he's given up was when he had his guy (Odom) completely owned and Anderson ran right into him.
Well if we're talking about pass blocking...look no further than Clady he owns the nfl record for longest streak of not allowing a sack at 19 games and counting...and if you look at the the "Super" star DE/OLBs he faced so far in his career speaks volumes
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they are replacing a very good DC.
I know they are but as I mentioned in my original post I thought they would put Dave McGinnis in charge than Chuck Cecil if they wanted to promote an in house candidate. Cecil impressed me as a DB coach but I didn't think he would be able to make the transition to a DC. He was a DB in the pro's and then a DB coach. He doesn't know the in's and out's of coaching DB's or LB's.
Cecil never made any of the lists I've made about the next defensive coordinator's in the NFL.
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How about the Broncos defense? They've allowed a whopping 26 points over 4 games, and only 2 Touchdowns. I know they've faced weak competition, but that's still an amazing feat.
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How about the Broncos defense? They've allowed a whopping 26 points over 4 games, and only 2 Touchdowns. I know they've faced weak competition, but that's still an amazing feat.
They did well against the Cowboys, but the Cowboys are such an up and down team. They might end up surrendering more points this week than they have all season, much as I'd like to see the exact opposite happen and them somehow pull off the upset...
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they are replacing a very good DC.
Yes we are. Jim had his struggles early in his career (lack of talent for the most part) but he still was creative. Chuck runs the exact same defense as Jim, but he doesn't have Jim's feel for the game. Maybe he just needs time but as talented as our defense is (and it is talented), we should be so much better than we are.
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They aren't missing Haynesworth in the run game, but the lack of the interior pass rush has exposed their secondary. They reminded me of the 2004 Carolina Panthers last year, in that their D-Line protected a mediocre secondary. How did three of those guys made the pro-bowl is beyond me. They have been shredded by every single QB to date and now they face Brady and Manning.
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They aren't missing Haynesworth in the run game, but the lack of the interior pass rush has exposed their secondary. They reminded me of the 2004 Carolina Panthers last year, in that their D-Line protected a mediocre secondary. How did three of those guys made the pro-bowl is beyond me. They have been shredded by every single QB to date and now they face Brady and Manning.
They absolutely deserved all their awards they received last season, and saying the lack of pass-rush has exposed them is like saying the lack of pass-blocking has exposed a QB. Harper has been trash, though.

Of the 3 Pro Bowlers, I'd say Michael Griffin has been the shakiest, but I don't think Cecil is using him effectively. He's a middle-fielding FS, yet Cecil has both him and Chris Hope up on the line either blitzing or whatever. Hope has been fine, in my opinion, and so has Finnegan until he was injured. But yeah, I think Griffin is being moved around too much.

Plus, it's not all on the DB's. Even Keith Bulluck, Stephen Tulloch, and David Thornton have struggled - especially on TE's. It seems that Bulluck is just a half step late covering TE's, so guys like Heath Miller, Owen Daniels, and Marcedes Lewis/Ernest Wilford have had good outings with just quick passes underneath and screens.
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Im concerned about Eli. He carries our offense, but this injury can really screw up his mechanics and mobility.
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That's something I've noticed about them. Yes they give up pressure and sacks, but usually ben has a good 5 seconds before that starts to happen, after which he'll scramble and hold onto the ball for another 3 or 4 before finally getting sacked or getting rid of it. That's a pretty good job by the oline.
Thats part of it.

Theres only been one occasion that Roethlisberger threw the ball away this season, and that was against the Chargers to save yardage for a field goal attempt.

The OL Looks worse when people look at it Stats based. Sure we give up a high amount of Pressures and Sacks, but Ben is a live by/die by the big play kind of player. He'll take unnecessary sacks, but he'll make plays that most other QB's would have gotten rid of the ball.

Here's a telling sign of Roethlisberger and that OL cohesion this year.


Ben is:

#2 in completions
#5 in Attempts
#1 in completion (73.2%)
#7 in Avg attempts per game
#3 in Yards
#3 in YPA
#8 in QB Rating

And I think the next 2 games will heavily inflate those #'s provided the OC doesn't turtle with a 14 point lead.


And I wouldn't say that Roethlisberger is necessarily making that line look worse than what it is. I'd lean that more on Willie Parker.

He's not the same RB before his leg injury to end 07.

He's indecisive and tentative. Lacks his FWP Burst. (Granted it was the Chargers) but Mendenhall was decisive, explosive and showed the vision that we've been lacking severely since "Running the Wheels" off Willie.

Atleast 10 times this season I saw Willie get tackled by Shoelace tackles or arm tackles... not to mention the times he runs in the back of his offensive lineman....

The best was the 3 times in the Titans game, 4 in the bears and 3 in the Bengals.... The OL opened a wide gap, he never cut back, only to run directly into a defender, as if he gave up on the play.

Breath of Fresh air watching Mendenhall see that Jersey and cut it back up inside for 4+ yard gains.
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Forgot the Bidwell family in Zona, maybe Mike Brown in Cincy as the worst of the hands-on owners/GMs.

Jones got his fingers burned after giving away 2 top picks to Seattle for Joey Galloway 10 yrs. ago & backed off on manipulating Dallas personnel. Now he's dicking around again, anything for material for his annual Draft Day interview... Jones will fight his way through an SRO auditorium to the camera light for facetime. Garrett's playcalling & Romo's folding under big game pressure are what's heating up the seat under Wade Phillips now, just this one very frustrated Dallas fan's opinion.
While I'm not too crazy about the Bidwell and Brown, they at least have/had some excuses for fielding weak teams. They both had low revenue teams and lacked the money to compete for top FA's and maintain solid scouting departments. Phoenix built Bidwell a new stadium with a huge increase in revenue and since then Arizona is far more competitive. It is extremely tricky to field a competitive team if you are a low revenue team. Cincy, Buffalo, etc. are just a couple of examples. Some small revenue cities have been successful by having a top organization but it will always be a lot tougher for a low revenue team to win consistently.

Jones hardly has that excuse and neither has Ford or Snyder.
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I just find it interesting how many people still dog on the Broncos.
Heck, someone saying they'd be shocked if the Broncos won 8 games after already starting 4-0 is something. They should be virtually guaranteed wins vs. KC and Oakland at home, so they will only go 1-9 in the remaining 10 games?
I think people loved to hate on the Broncos and make fun of them in the offseason and now that they are showing they are respectable with a decent core on offense and defense, it is making them look silly for the early predictions. For one, all the people predicting the Broncos to finish in the bottom 5 of the league.
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