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Old 10-30-2009, 06:28 PM    (permalink
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Halsey, was that last couple seconds of Faulk scoring against USC??

I can't think of two modern backs who physically seemed more similar, yet couldn't be more worlds apart in the NFL. Everything - speed, height, weight, elusiveness - yet Reggie just can't seem to put it all together.
One thing you pick up from that youtube clip about Faulk is he didn't dance and juke all the time like Bush. Yes, he was very elusive, but it was more a one cut to daylight and get up field running style, none of the wasted movement that allows defensive players to close on Bush so easily.

And best prospect is all about a player's combo of height/weight/speed/elusiveness, not necessarily who is the most overall talented RB. Faulk had everything you'd want in a RB except superior height and weight.

Besides Faulk very soon is going to have a bust enshrined in Canton.
Bo Jackson and Herschel Walker will not.
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Yes, well Canton has nothing to do with who was the best prospect coming out of college. They don't put you in the Hall of Fame for being a good prospect. So, the fact that Faulk will be in it and not Jackson does not mean he was a better prospect coming out.
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Yes, well Canton has nothing to do with who was the best prospect coming out of college. They don't put you in the Hall of Fame for being a good prospect. So, the fact that Faulk will be in it and not Jackson does not mean he was a better prospect coming out.
Huh? My point was at the end of the day, what you do on the field matters more than measurables. There are several great college RBs prospects who for whatever reasons never amount to great pro football players. Having great potential is just that - potential.

Whether or not it ever ever blossoms into outstanding play at the next level has more to do with a player's intangibles, (toughness, intellect, emotion) than his height/weight/speed.

It's unfair because Jackson's career was cut short by injury, but the fact remains he never approached the player Faulk was in the pros.
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Well, it does look like USC, although keep in mind USC hasn't always been loaded with elite defensive talent year after year like they are right now. USC in the 80's and 90's kinda went through a couple of down decades by their standards.

I agree that Faulk looks similar to Bush in college in that video. It's funny that he had to go to SDSU to play RB. He was a great college back from the moment he hit the field. Talk about college scouts for major programs missing out...

and whether or not someone goes to the HoF has nothing to do with how good a prospect they were. Emmitt Smith was not even close to an elite prospect.

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(couldn't find a good vid of Allen in college)
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As a lifelong Skins fan, if Marcus Allen was dying of thirst on the side of the road, I would not offer him a drop of water!!!

That's still one of the sickest runs I've ever seen and at the time nearly brought me to tears. That's when you knew that SB was OVER. I think everyone on the Skins D had a shot at Allen on that play, and it still didn't matter. Where was Darrell Green??

40 times and game speed are not the same.

And George Rogers is someone most people forget about, but in his day he was the prototype; great vision, over 6'2, and speed. I believe he had a little bit of a coke problem too in the NFL that derailed his career.

Dorsett is still on my personal top 5 RBs I've ever seen play.

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Huh? My point was at the end of the day, what you do on the field matters more than measurables. There are several great college RBs prospects who for whatever reasons never amount to great pro football players. Having great potential is just that - potential.

Whether or not it ever ever blossoms into outstanding play at the next level has more to do with a player's intangibles, (toughness, intellect, emotion) than his height/weight/speed.

It's unfair because Jackson's career was cut short by injury, but the fact remains he never approached the player Faulk was in the pros.
Yes, and the point of the thread isn't who had the best career out of prospects, it's who the best prospect coming in was.

So the fact that Faulk succeeded/performed better in the NFL is completely irrelevant in this thread. That was my point.
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Ernie Davis was the greatest RB prospect ever.

Read up on him. It was a sad story. RIP Ernie Davis.

Never played a game, but is still in the Brown's HOF.
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Just thinking about Ernie Davis and Jim Brown, maaan, what the heck happened to the Browns?

They had such a rich history, such a proud franchise. And for the last 30 or so years, theyve been anything but.

The last time they were good, Marty Schottenheimer was the coach and Bernie Kosar was the quarterback.

That was a looong time ago. I hope the Browns bounce back. That franchise has too much history and pride to be in such a bad rut.
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I remember when Kelly Holcomb took them to the playoffs.
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They had such a rich history, such a proud franchise. And for the last 30 or so years, theyve been anything but.

The last time they were good, Marty Schottenheimer was the coach and Bernie Kosar was the quarterback.

That was a looong time ago. I hope the Browns bounce back. That franchise has too much history and pride to be in such a bad rut.
Isn't there a movie about Ernie Davis now?
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He wasn't the best, but Billy Sims definately needs a mention in the top 10 RB prospects. Dude was a BEAST.
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Easily Bo Jackson. But honestly, Ki-Jana Carter was right up there for me. The guy was mind boggling in the way he played. If it wasn't for injuries/the team he ended up on, he could have been amazing.
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Man i can't believe it took this long for someone to mention Herschel Walker. What about Barry Sanders? Dude was absolutely unstoppable at Okie Lite.
walker yes, barry no....in terms of being a prospect barry didnt have the measuarbles to be in the uber elite...if he came out the same year these guys did he would surely have been drafted behind them.

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walker yes, barry no....in terms of being a prospect barry didnt have the measuarbles to be in the uber elite...if he came out the same year these guys did he would surely have been drafted behind them.

bo, walker, bush, peterson, mcfadden
If Barry doesn't have the measurables how does Bush... and McFadden, while he is one of the fastest guys with decent size thats timed in to go along with his college production isn't close to Bo, Walker, Bush or Juice. Bush was probably the most hyped prospect ever, and I don't blame anyone, Bush was adding a new clip to his highlight reel every time he touched the ball in his Junior year at SC. I'd put Bo at number 1, Walker at 2 and Bush at 3 in terms of prospects and the media attention that they got based on what I've experienced, read and learned (Only really experienced Bush as a prospect, not old enough for the others), and then probably O.J. after that.

Since I started following the draft though...

Bush > Peterson > McFadden
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RunDMC, in his junior and senior seasons combined, put up 3,500 rushing yards/ 30 rushing touchdowns/ 300 receiving yards/ 2 receiving touchdowns/ 200 passing yards/ 7 passing touchdowns/ 1 return touchdown.

He did this in the SEC while splitting carries with a fellow future first round pick in Felix Jones (2,200 yards rushing, 18 rushing touchdowns, 300 yards receiving, 3 receiving touchdowns, 8 yards a carry, 3 kick return touchdowns in his final two seasons combined).

Bo, in comparison, had 1,786 yards rushing (17 touchdowns) in his senior season along with 73 yards receiving. 830 yards as a frosh, 1,200 as a sophmore, 500 as a junior. He averaged more yards per game in his top season than did McFadden, and averaged more YPC. But DMC was superior in receiving, passing, and kick returning. The rushing differences were small, especially considering how many carries DMC would have gotten without Felix Jones there. Not to mention the SEC now adays is rather beasty, and DMC/ Felix Jones carries that Arkansas team when everyone knew what was coming (not sure about AU in 1985).

Production was not an issue for McFadden.
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walker yes, barry no....in terms of being a prospect barry didnt have the measuarbles to be in the uber elite...if he came out the same year these guys did he would surely have been drafted behind them.

bo, walker, bush, peterson, mcfadden
This is a crazy time gap leaving out guys like Carter, Sanders, Thermal, Sims etc. I really can't see DMC being a better prospect than any of those 4.

Sims and Carter were both number one overall picks, keep that in mind.
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i wish NFLDC had something like "wall to wall" where we could see Brodeur and Job's conversations.
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NFLDC would be jizzing itself non-stop.
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