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Old 03-04-2007, 03:31 PM    (permalink
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I'm not sold on Vilma not fitting yet, he would be an excellent player with a solid NT, but just nothing what he could be in a 4-3. Vilma on the Lions is better than anyone you can draft.

Exactly, I think he definitely could be a pretty good fit in the 3-4, but nothing compared to what he can be in the 4-3. If the team decides that he will not be an elite player in a 3-4 defense, it would make sense to trade him this offseason while people have seen him have a good season in a 4-3 recently. The ONLY reason we would trade Vilma is because Mangini is convinced he cannot be an elite 3-4 ILB, and IF that is the case and the Jets have fallen in love with AD or CJ the trade makes sense for both sides. If not, the trade will not happen.
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He probably has around 2 or 3 years left I'd guess, which is enough time for Calvin to develop if he needs any time. If not, CJ is an immediate spark for our offense and when Coles retires we have a fairly polished elite #1 receiver and a very solid #2 who we just locked up for another 5 years in Cotchery. I've said it a couple times in this thread, a trade up for CJ makes enough sense that you cannot assume that the trade will be for Peterson. And I would not be surprised if Tangini fell in love with the guy and decided that he's the guy they want on this team, what is there not to like about Calvin Johnson?
I agree with everything you said. We can't go wrong with Calvin. If OAK takes CJ #1 overall, then, we settle for Peterson. I've seen people mention "Tangini" multiple times. Is this some kind of nickname or a typo? Is it a combo of Tannenbaum and Mangini?
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I agree with everything you said. We can't go wrong with Calvin. If OAK takes CJ #1 overall, then, we settle for Peterson. I've seen people mention "Tangini" multiple times. Is this some kind of nickname or a typo? Is it a combo of Tannenbaum and Mangini?
It's a combo of Tannenbaum and Mangini, or at least that's how I use it.
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http://www.mlive.com/lions/weblog/

Vilma trade? John Clayton says he never mentioned it

There is all kinds of talk, blogs and posts out there about ESPN's John Clayton supposedly mentioning a possible trade between the Lions and Jets that would involve Detroit's second overall pick for linebacker Jonathan Vilma and assorted draft picks.

"What? I never said a word about it. I've never mentioned Jonathan Vilma,'' Clayton said moments ago.

Ah, Internet rumors. At least this one got shot down before it grew into a monster.
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Well so much for that, lol.
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I like the idea just because Vilma does not fit in the 3-4 at all. . And he is the ideal tampa 2 MIKE for Marinelli
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I'm not sold on Vilma not fitting yet, he would be an excellent player with a solid NT, but just nothing what he could be in a 4-3. Vilma on the Lions is better than anyone you can draft.
Well... you can't say yet that Willis will or will not be a beast. Yes, we KNOW that Vilma is a monster, but we're not sure yet if Willis (or any other MLB prospect) will be a stud.

That being said, IF they made this trade, they would have to believe that Vilma doesn't fit. And, if they made the trade, they'd have to throw in their #25 and their late second.

***THIS JUST IN***
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Vilma trade? John Clayton says he never mentioned it
There is all kinds of talk, blogs and posts out there about ESPN's John Clayton supposedly mentioning a possible trade between the Lions and Jets that would involve Detroit's second overall pick for linebacker Jonathan Vilma and assorted draft picks.

"What? I never said a word about it. I've never mentioned Jonathan Vilma,'' Clayton said moments ago.

Ah, Internet rumors. At least this one got shot down before it grew into a monster.
Bah... that sucks. (Wow... I was a bit late.)
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Would have been an interesting trade, I think it spurred from people assuming we don't think Vilma can be a fit in a 3-4. If we traded him it would have meant that and I would not have minded the deal, but I'm glad we'll probably be giving him another opportunity in the defense.
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*sigh*... save some for me.
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*sigh*... save some for me.
I'll take the tail. :( I'm in deep sorrow and morning. Well, it was fun to speculate about.
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Vilma trade? John Clayton says he never mentioned it

There is all kinds of talk, blogs and posts out there about ESPN's John Clayton supposedly mentioning a possible trade between the Lions and Jets that would involve Detroit's second overall pick for linebacker Jonathan Vilma and assorted draft picks.

"What? I never said a word about it. I've never mentioned Jonathan Vilma,'' Clayton said moments ago.

Ah, Internet rumors. At least this one got shot down before it grew into a monster.
WOW. I posted this 3 threads into this post.

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STOP!

Now take a deep breath! This is a rumor from someone who posted it, and that person didnt even hear it.

Has anyone even heard this even being mentioned, or heard it on ESPN? Cause i havent, and I feel like everyone is posting about nothing and nonsense!

Not even the biggest rumor mill in the internet profootballtalk doesnt have anything about it
7 threads later we finally have sanity.. Thank you for ending this!
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Regardless, I doubt the Jets try and trade up anyway. It would take our whole draft + some of next year. We're bringing in Ahman Green, Chris Brown and T.J. Duckett for visits, and Nick Harper, David Bowens, and Kenyon Coleman as well. This all indicates to me that we will go offensive line in the draft again, as they are trying to shore up our other holes through free agency.
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Regardless, I doubt the Jets try and trade up anyway. It would take our whole draft + some of next year. We're bringing in Ahman Green, Chris Brown and T.J. Duckett for visits, and Nick Harper, David Bowens, and Kenyon Coleman as well. This all indicates to me that we will go offensive line in the draft again, as they are trying to shore up our other holes through free agency.
I have no problem with that style anyway. Speculating about getting AD or CJ is exciting though.
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Got to love the internet and all some dweeb can start a rediculous rumour and that rumour is taken as if it were gospel.

Thank Gawd there are posters willing to shoot these silly rumours down.
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Didnt see this coming.
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Got to love the internet and all some dweeb can start a rediculous rumour and that rumour is taken as if it were gospel.

Thank Gawd there are posters willing to shoot these silly rumours down.
Actually, the rumor was proposed like most other trades... starting with the "John Clayton just said this on ESPN..." line. It isn't unreasonable to entertain the idea, as the trade was reasonable for both teams.

And... you can "Thank Gawd" all you'd like, but it wasn't a "poster" that shot this "silly rumor" down... it was well-known writer that actually contacted John Clayton.

But, LOL! THANK GAWD, RITE!?
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