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Old 03-05-2007, 03:15 AM    (permalink
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And why does everyone think Vernon Davis is gonna be so great? I think hes gonna be a very good player, but he had a sub par year so you shouldn't be talking like hes a superstar (although he may be at some point)
He finished the season incredibly strong. In his last 4 games, he had 13 catches, 196 yards(2 of the games going over 70 yards) and 2 tds. That might not seem like much, but you have to consider the fact that he was used alot as a blocker(he's one of the best blockers on our team) because kwame harris can't block ish. He's shown amazing flashes in his limited play this year, but I still think he has some work to do. I think he'll have a semi-break out year with about 55 catches for 750 yards and 8 tds, but I don't think he'll be considered elite until his 3rd year.

On to the main topic, this is an incredibly unfair comparison. You can't compare a guy that hasn't started to a guy that has. That would be like comparing phillip rivers career, before this year, to the other qbs in his class. I like aaron rodgers, he's a cal bear and a local kid. I really hope he does well in the nfl, despite the team he plays for.

As for Alex, he's in a pretty good situation in SF. He's got alot of young talent around him and, hopefully, backed up by a pretty good defense this up coming season. He's on a run first team, so he won't be putting up monster stats for us, but I think he'll be incredibly efficient. I'm predicting about 19 tds, 10 interceptions and about 3300 yards. He has a ton of potential though, he's still going to only be 23 at the start of the season(he was only 20 years old when got drafted). I don't think he'll have his break year until next year. He's a guy that needs to feel comfortable in the system he's playing in, before he takes his game to the next level(according to urban meyer).
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Alex's first year really hurt him in a lot of people's estimation, but any QB asked to make do with a starting unit of Arnaz Battle and Brandon Lloyd at WR, Kevan Barlow at RB, and Billy Bajema (a rookie, 7th round blocking specialist) at TE would have struggled, especially if he were a rookie himself, as Smith was. Honestly, I'm amazed the 2005 49ers managed to win four games, they were absolutely horrible offensively.

I really think Smith has it in him to develop into a franchise QB. What Niner fans know that many others don't is the ridiculous work ethic-- the kid has it in him to be great (and I say kid because remember, he's only 22). You read about the amount of time he puts into studying the game, the offense, and his opponents, and then take into account his physical gifts (mobility and a better than advertised arm on a 6-4 frame), and the fact that he's already developed into a team leader and you would be like us Niner fans-- you'd start wondering how he could possibly fail over the long run.

SO in fact, I'll go you one step further. Alex Smith, in the long run, won't just be better than Aaron Rodgers-- he'll be better than Eli Manning, better than Ben Roethlisberger, and better than at least 2 out of 3 of last years first round QBs (Jay Cutler scares me) because he has all the intangibles of leadership, toughness, and intelligence and is very physically gifted as well. I honestly don't see too many other young QBs out there who are as balanced across the board.
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Alex's first year really hurt him in a lot of people's estimation, but any QB asked to make do with a starting unit of Arnaz Battle and Brandon Lloyd at WR, Kevan Barlow at RB, and Billy Bajema (a rookie, 7th round blocking TE) as a rookie would have had trouble. Honestly, I'm amazed the 2005 49ers managed to win four games, they were absolutely horrible.

I really think Smith has it in him to develop into a franchise QB. What Niner fans know that many others don't is the ridiculous work ethic-- the kid has it in him to be great (and I say kid because remember, he's only 22). You read about the amount of time he puts into studying the game, the offense, and his opponents, and then take into account his physical gifts (mobility and a better than advertised arm on a 6-4 frame), and the fact that he's already developed into a team leader and you would be like us Niner fans-- you'd start wondering how he could possibly fail over the long run.

SO in fact, I'll go you one step further. Alex Smith, in the long run, won't just be better than Aaron Rodgers-- he'll be better than Eli Manning, better than Ben Roethlisberger, and better than at least 2 out of 3 of last years first round QBs (Jay Cutler scares me) because he has all the intangibles of leadership, toughness, and intelligence and is very physically gifted as well. I honestly don't see too many other young QBs out there who are as balanced across the board.
Great post, and the bold is definitely true. He watches a ridiculous amount of game film during the offseason. From what I've read, he basically lived at the 49ers facility last offseason. If he keeps up the work ethic, I can definitely see him beating out my expectations of him for this up coming season.
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I personally think that Rodgers will need a year (like Smith) to put it all together but will be good, and him and smith will have a comparable career. Note that Rodgers is also very young and even though he is 23 he is only 5 months older then smith.
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SO in fact, I'll go you one step further. Alex Smith, in the long run, won't just be better than Aaron Rodgers-- he'll be better than Eli Manning, better than Ben Roethlisberger, and better than at least 2 out of 3 of last years first round QBs (Jay Cutler scares me) because he has all the intangibles of leadership, toughness, and intelligence and is very physically gifted as well. I honestly don't see too many other young QBs out there who are as balanced across the board.
lol.

No way Jose. He's not gonna be better then any of those 6 imo. He just doesnt have it. Maybe he will be better then Lienart cause hes on Arizona, but thats it and just cause Arizona is always terrible.

Cutler, Young, and Lienart all had better rookie seasons then Smith had in his second year.

Eli and Big Ben's second years were both outstanding. Rivers had a nice first year.


Thats just a homer statement cause theres no evidence. Smith threw the same amount of INTs as TDs.
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The fact that the Packers are willing to deal Rodgers should tell you something about him. Considering that Favre will surely retire after this year, they need a new guy, and if they're willing to part with him, they don't have much faith in him. Why should we?

Alex smith on the other hand has produced, and will be a very good qb when he gets some more tools.
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are they? I have not heared anything to indicate that.
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are they? I have not heared anything to indicate that.
Yup, to the raiders for Randy Moss... it's either Rodgers or a 2nd.
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He has played a little bit.

And you can tell from out of college as well
What a player did in college doesn't mean a thing of what he will do in the NFL.

Yet another rediculous thread by the thread starter king.

Rogers hasn't shown anything when he has played. Alex Smith has shown more flashes.
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Neither, that QB class was terrible. I would rather have the seventh quarterback taken in last years draft, Brodie Croyle, over Smith and Rodgers.
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Yup, to the raiders for Randy Moss... it's either Rodgers or a 2nd.
Green Bay would be stupid for doing this. They are a rebuilding team, not a disgruntled declining player away from the Super Bowl.
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Rodgers is a Jeff Tedford QB which means he has bust written all over him.
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Alex Smith had a comparable passer rating last season to Eli Manning, despite the fact that Eli's WR's are 4000 times better than those of Alexs'. Alex will be a better quarterback than that overrated clown.
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Alex's first year really hurt him in a lot of people's estimation, but any QB asked to make do with a starting unit of Arnaz Battle and Brandon Lloyd at WR, Kevan Barlow at RB, and Billy Bajema (a rookie, 7th round blocking specialist) at TE would have struggled, especially if he were a rookie himself, as Smith was. Honestly, I'm amazed the 2005 49ers managed to win four games, they were absolutely horrible offensively.

I really think Smith has it in him to develop into a franchise QB. What Niner fans know that many others don't is the ridiculous work ethic-- the kid has it in him to be great (and I say kid because remember, he's only 22). You read about the amount of time he puts into studying the game, the offense, and his opponents, and then take into account his physical gifts (mobility and a better than advertised arm on a 6-4 frame), and the fact that he's already developed into a team leader and you would be like us Niner fans-- you'd start wondering how he could possibly fail over the long run.

SO in fact, I'll go you one step further. Alex Smith, in the long run, won't just be better than Aaron Rodgers-- he'll be better than Eli Manning, better than Ben Roethlisberger, and better than at least 2 out of 3 of last years first round QBs (Jay Cutler scares me) because he has all the intangibles of leadership, toughness, and intelligence and is very physically gifted as well. I honestly don't see too many other young QBs out there who are as balanced across the board.
I'll be the first person to say that I feel that Alex Smith was being ripped on unfairly last year, and I also believe that you have to give 4 years before you can truely evaluate a qb, but to say as much as you did is a stretch right now.

He threw 16 TDs and 16 INTs, thats hardly a 2nd year leap. Hell, for all of Eli's scrutiny, he had a much better 2nd season than Alex Smith. And he gets ragged on badly. So to say what you said about Smith is very bold right now.

I think he'll develop into a fine player, and I think he'll improve more this upcoming year, but let's not go overboard here.
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I agree with this. I think Campbell ends up the best of the '05 QB Class. Smith being second. Walter and Rodgers never being starting caliber types.
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Alex Smith had a comparable passer rating last season to Eli Manning, despite the fact that Eli's WR's are 4000 times better than those of Alexs'. Alex will be a better quarterback than that overrated clown.
lol.

People just love to hate on Eli Manning. He played half the season with Tim Carter starting and David Tyree as our 3rd reciever....

Amani toomer and Sinorice Moss both were injured over half the season. Plus our LT was as well.

And Eli still did a hell of a lot better then Smith, even through pure stats. Throw in things like comebacks, and Eli is a hell of a lot better that it shouldnt even be brought up.
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Rodgers is a Tedford QB, that reason alone I'd stay away from him.
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Not only that, he was probably the least talented one of them. I have no reason to believe Aaron Rodgers will ever turn into something.
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Giants fans,

Chill. This is a forum, I'm voicing my opinion having watched a lot of Niner games over the past two years, and quite a few nationally televised Giants games. That's all.

That said, some of you who summarily dismiss Smith as being an inferior QB to Eli are missing the point. You ask what Smith has shown-- I would reply to you what has Eli shown? At least Smith has demonstrated consistent improvement from year to year so far-- Eli hasn't even done that. Admit it, if his last name weren't Manning, the NY fans and media would have turned on him a long time ago.

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well aaron rodgers gets the luxury of learning from Brett Farve while Alex Smith was just thrown into the NFL. I think Alex Smith is the better player overall but Aaron Rodgers does come close.
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Aaron Rodgers ain't ever gonna start. Favre's a Packer for life.

Edit: And to the dumbass that said that Alex Smith is better than Eli.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I'm sorry but that's just stupid, and there's no point in even arguing about it.

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Chill. This is a forum, I'm voicing my opinion having watched a lot of Niner games over the past two years, and quite a few nationally televised Giants games. That's all.

That said, some of you who summarily dismiss Smith as being an inferior QB to Eli are missing the point. You ask what Smith has shown-- I would reply to you what has Eli shown? At least Smith has demonstrated consistent improvement from year to year so far-- Eli hasn't even done that. Admit it, if his last name weren't Manning, the NY fans and media would have turned on him a long time ago.

Just my .02
I'm also voicing my opinion...you're an idiot.

What was Eli done? 2 back to back playoffs, 24 TD's in both of his starting years. @Philly in 2006, against Denver in 2005, against the Colts this year, etc. He's had plenty of outstanding games. And no that last statement is total BS, if his last name wasn't Manning no one could be criticizing him as much.

Alex Smith sucks, and he's going to hurt worse this year without Norv Turner.

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Alex Smith; He's getting gradually better and Rodgers hasn't proven anything other than he can get hurt in the few plays that he's actually in.
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I thought Smith was the better QB that year, and I don't think anything's changed my perceptions. Granted, Rodgers hasn't had the opportunity to change my perceptions, but there's been rumblings for a couple years now that they would consider moving him.
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