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Old 03-05-2007, 12:06 PM    (permalink
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What team would be willing to give a 2nd this year and a conditional first day pick next year for Briggs? Keep in mind they will have to be able to sign Briggs as well.
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I would not want the Giants to trade for him unless we are talking about a 2nd round pick here. And I doubt he goes for a 2nd rounder.
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I have no doubt they could get a 2nd rounder. I just don't think they would take it. For those teams picking in the first round, they need to sign their players to new contracts too (albeit for a lower amount). Is Briggs as good as Lawrence Timmons? I certainly think so. Put him in this draft and I think he's the best linebacker available, and still about 25-26 years old.
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I have no doubt they could get a 2nd rounder. I just don't think they would take it. For those teams picking in the first round, they need to sign their players to new contracts too (albeit for a lower amount). Is Briggs as good as Lawrence Timmons? I certainly think so. Put him in this draft and I think he's the best linebacker available, and still about 25-26 years old.
But he would cost a ton more than a rookie.
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I have no doubt they could get a 2nd rounder. I just don't think they would take it. For those teams picking in the first round, they need to sign their players to new contracts too (albeit for a lower amount). Is Briggs as good as Lawrence Timmons? I certainly think so. Put him in this draft and I think he's the best linebacker available, and still about 25-26 years old.
The difference is that if you hold onto your pick and take Timmons you don't have to give him a ridiculous signing bonus. He also has the potential to be greater. Either way it is has its risks and rewards like any player personnel decision. Take Briggs, more of a sure thing but more of a financial burden.
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Yeah I understand all that, I'm just saying. Not all organizations think the same, and it only takes one to think otherwise to make a trade. Either way I'm not that concerned. These things work themselves out and I trust Angelo to make the right decisions.
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What team would be willing to give a 2nd this year and a conditional first day pick next year for Briggs? Keep in mind they will have to be able to sign Briggs as well.
The bills maybe? 49ers seem to be actively spending their salary cap.

Briggs would be a great pickup for any team. He's not a fast guy or anything but he's got sound instincts.

If we were to get a second-round pick (say... in the 15-25 range) would posluszny be available? he's kind of comparable to Briggs isn't he? Not the fastest, but sound instincts and all?
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I am of the opinion that Lance Briggs is overrated in the first place... He's a good football player but only becomes great when he plays alongside Urlacher.
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The bills maybe? 49ers seem to be actively spending their salary cap.

Briggs would be a great pickup for any team. He's not a fast guy or anything but he's got sound instincts.

If we were to get a second-round pick (say... in the 15-25 range) would posluszny be available? he's kind of comparable to Briggs isn't he? Not the fastest, but sound instincts and all?
Do you mean a first round pick? I think the best we can hope for is a late 1st (or something equivalent to its value) and I think, while some don't like him much on this board, he'll be gone by 20 or so.
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Do you mean a first round pick? I think the best we can hope for is a late 1st (or something equivalent to its value) and I think, while some don't like him much on this board, he'll be gone by 20 or so.
I like Puz a lot actually. But yeah, he'd probably be gone by round two huh?

Or could we get a first for Briggs? Doubtfull.
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I don't understand what you're saying. You're asking if Poz will be available in the mid-2nd round? If so absolutely not. I'd be shocked if he fell out of the first round.
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I wouldn't so mind giving up the #27 pick for Briggs, but it's the contract he'd want that makes me go 'Ehhhhh... nah'.
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No but Walter Jones from Seattle has. I want to say it was 3 years. Chicago should look at San Francisco as a possible bidder. They have a ton of money to burn and they need help at OLB. They were looking at paying Adalius Thomas a load of cash but NE beat them to it. I say lets snatch some draft picks from them and give them Briggs so he can be the new highest defensive player in the NFL next to Clements.


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The biggest thing the Bears have is their defensive system allows them to hold even more leverage in the situation. Briggs was drafted in the third round, but the production they got out of him was much more valuable then that, and Lovie and Angelo both know that they could probably replace him with a player drafted around the same area. They know they can trade him for a pick higher than they spent on him (a second or maybe a late first), replace him easily, and recoup that salary cap space.
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I don't understand what you're saying. You're asking if Poz will be available in the mid-2nd round? If so absolutely not. I'd be shocked if he fell out of the first round.
I don't even know what I was trying to say. :D sorry.

In most mocks I've seen, Poz wasn't in round one though.
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I don't even know what I was trying to say. :D sorry.

In most mocks I've seen, Poz wasn't in round one though.
If the Bears do trade Briggs Poz might just slip back into the first round.
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Very interesting, Briggs is a key piece in the defense and now the poor Bears may be starting the beginning of the end :)
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Very interesting, Briggs is a key piece in the defense and now the poor Bears may be starting the beginning of the end :)
You're overrating Briggs, he is important to the Bears, but not a 'key piece'. Urlacher & Harris are the Nucleus of their defense.
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wow, i really im shocked by that qoute, he has a pretty good career going in Chicago. This seems like a huge mistake by Briggs.
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The biggest thing the Bears have is their defensive system allows them to hold even more leverage in the situation. Briggs was drafted in the third round, but the production they got out of him was much more valuable then that, and Lovie and Angelo both know that they could probably replace him with a player drafted around the same area. They know they can trade him for a pick higher than they spent on him (a second or maybe a late first), replace him easily, and recoup that salary cap space.
exactly... with the scheme we play, we can afford to wait until the mid rounds for our LBs and CBs... I don't see us going LB in round 1... if we go Defense, then it would be either a Safety or a DT. Jerry Angelo has easily been one of the best GMs in all of sports since he took charge, and I have confidence in his drafting/signing/trading of players.
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You're overrating Briggs, he is important to the Bears, but not a 'key piece'. Urlacher & Harris are the Nucleus of their defense.
He is a key piece b/c if that defense is not on the top of its game and at 100 percent with all the skill the bears can not win b/c they lack a key piece to their offense outside of the O-line. The Bears rely on their defense and when they lose Briggs they have to fill some pretty big shoes.
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I can't see the Bears shipping Briggs. Wouldn't they lose their franchise tag if they were to trade him?
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He is a key piece b/c if that defense is not on the top of its game and at 100 percent with all the skill the bears can not win b/c they lack a key piece to their offense outside of the O-line. The Bears rely on their defense and when they lose Briggs they have to fill some pretty big shoes.
Let's not kid ourselves here. You're a Packers fan hoping that more than anything.

Would losing Briggs be a loss? Sure.

Would we still be much more talented than any other team in the division? Unquestionably.

I think our offense is better than any other team in the division as well. Let alone defensive superiority.
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Originally Posted by 24cadillac24 View Post
I can't see the Bears shipping Briggs. Wouldn't they lose their franchise tag if they were to trade him?
Nope. Not to mention that we don't need it anyway. Briggs is the only player that was up for FA that would even remotely warrant the tag.
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