Best draft in the NFC North? - Page 4

Gay Ork Wang · 10-31-2009, 10:58 AM

Cutler sucks because of the ******* Oline. The Oline allows a lot of pressure and no running game. The bears are falling behind really fast and he has to push the ball down field which leads to mistakes, things id expect from most of QBs especially young ones. you gotta see crappy guard getting beat over and over again.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/chicago-be...rowns-vs-Bears

jackalope · 11-06-2009, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SINCE1978

Meredith has showed okay skills at RT

Interesting. What has impressed you about him this season?

yo123 · 11-07-2009, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jsa230

4.Minny - The Vikings lose because they drafted Percy

This is a fun quote.

General Zod · 11-07-2009, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by yo123

This is a fun quote.

Fun like a karate chop? :-)

Kid_Ego · 11-19-2009, 12:32 PM

This years Draft has been kind to almost all the teams in our division.
Chicago got the qb they wanted *snicker* Wide Out that looks pretty good if he only had a qb Johnny KNox
Detriot Stafford looks very good
Green Bay I like the mathews pick and lang looks pretty good
Minnesota Percy Harvin rules. Asher ALlen and loadholt both look very very good. So far minnesota wins hands down

TitleTown088 · 11-21-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by yo123

This is a fun quote.

Maybe it goes along with BF51's quote from draft day when he said Clay Matthews sucks. :)

dex · 11-24-2009, 03:28 PM

This is obsurd. How in the world do the packers have a better draft than the Lions.

What has Raji even done? Is he even a starter yet? I get it that Matthews have done some good things but so has Levy.

Doesn't Levy even have better stats than Matthews?

Lions had the better draft. They got some good players early and late.

drowe · 11-24-2009, 04:17 PM

Yeah, Lions win. Can't put a price on getting a QB of the future. Pettigrew and Delmas look like exactly what was expected out of 'em and Levy looks solid too.

Packers and Vikings are close...slight edge to the Vikings.

Bears are in a distant 4th.

BGB · 11-25-2009, 03:06 PM

Vikings had the best draft hands down. They landed 2 studs in Harvin and Loadholt, CB with tons of starting potential in Asher Allen, and a special teams stud who may have future starting potential at S in Sanford.

drowe · 11-25-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BGB

Vikings had the best draft hands down. They landed 2 studs in Harvin and Loadholt, CB with tons of starting potential in Asher Allen, and a special teams stud who may have future starting potential at S in Sanford.

So, they won 'hands down' because they got a #3 WR, a RT and a lot of potential?

don't get me wrong, i think the argument can be made that they had the best draft, but to say it is 'hands down' the best draft is a little homerish.

Especially when you're comparing them to a team that got a QB of the future and 3 other players that have started as rookies and played at a very high level.

DHVF · 11-25-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by drowe

So, they won 'hands down' because they got a #3 WR, a RT and a lot of potential?

don't get me wrong, i think the argument can be made that they had the best draft, but to say it is 'hands down' the best draft is a little homerish.

Especially when you're comparing them to a team that got a QB of the future and 3 other players that have started as rookies and played at a very high level.

Yeah I definitely agree with drowe here. As it stands now, you have to give the edge to the Lions.

EvilMonkey · 11-26-2009, 11:31 PM

Lions for sure #1 at this point.

Vikings and Pack are pretty much a tie at 2 I think.

marshallb · 11-27-2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by EvilMonkey

Lions for sure #1 at this point.

Vikings and Pack are pretty much a tie at 2 I think.

I agree that the Lions are probably #1, but they should be. They got their franchise QB, the hardest thing to find in pro football. I still think they made a huge mistake taking Pettigrew over Oher, like I said right after it happened, but Pettigrew has improved his play.

I would have to go with the Vikings at #2 slightly over the Pack, but that may be a little homerism showing.

EvilMonkey · 11-27-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by marshallb

I agree that the Lions are probably #1, but they should be. They got their franchise QB, the hardest thing to find in pro football. I still think they made a huge mistake taking Pettigrew over Oher, like I said right after it happened, but Pettigrew has improved his play.

I would have to go with the Vikings at #2 slightly over the Pack, but that may be a little homerism showing.

it's argueable either way. It's hard to compare since the difference in # of draft picks and if I honestly had to pick one I would take GB, but it's close so I just put it as a tie since I'm sure there's some homerism in my thoughts.

Matthews, Raji, Lang, Jones have all started and Underwood and Johnson have played a good amount with injuries. That's 6 guys making an impact for the Pack while the Vikes only had 5 picks so they can't have that many guys making an impact. That being said Harvin has been great and Loadholt has been fine started at RT. Allen has looked good but missed so much time I can't put his impact greater than any of the Pack's 4 guys who've started, and Sanford's impact on special teams can be compared to johnson or underwood's on the Pack so that's a wash in my opinion. Brinkley should be ok in the future, but minimal impact. I take the Pack and the main reason why is Raji's starting to make an impact and Matthews has really stepped it up the last few weeks.

marshallb · 11-28-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilMonkey

it's argueable either way. It's hard to compare since the difference in # of draft picks and if I honestly had to pick one I would take GB, but it's close so I just put it as a tie since I'm sure there's some homerism in my thoughts.

Matthews, Raji, Lang, Jones have all started and Underwood and Johnson have played a good amount with injuries. That's 6 guys making an impact for the Pack while the Vikes only had 5 picks so they can't have that many guys making an impact. That being said Harvin has been great and Loadholt has been fine started at RT. Allen has looked good but missed so much time I can't put his impact greater than any of the Pack's 4 guys who've started, and Sanford's impact on special teams can be compared to johnson or underwood's on the Pack so that's a wash in my opinion. Brinkley should be ok in the future, but minimal impact. I take the Pack and the main reason why is Raji's starting to make an impact and Matthews has really stepped it up the last few weeks.

I understand what you're saying and can see it, but I still have to lean to the Vikings, but it probably could go either way. Also, Brinkley has been playing on STs and has played pretty well there.

descendency · 11-30-2009, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by drowe

Cons-Got Bellicheck'd

The Packers won their trade with NE, marginally. I'd say it was even value really.

Then again, Belichick was probably glad to pay for a NT prospect in a weak NT class with the potential that his NT would be gone soon due to the high value of NTs due to the massive shift to the 34 defense that was coming.

Too bad Ron Brace isn't doing anything right now... but that's hindsight. The draft trade isn't. It was a good trade.

TitleTown088 · 11-30-2009, 10:10 AM

I think you can pretty clearly say it's GB so far.
Stud OLB ( Matthews)
A DE/NT who is really starting to show why he went #9 overall( Raji)
A nice swingman OL who has had a few solid starts (Lang)
Another stating OLB now, who seems to be serviceable. This is based on just a few starts though. ( Jones)
A rookie CB who is now getting some PT as the nickelback ( underwood)

I'd say based on this season Minny had the 2nd best draft with Harvin and Loadholt alone.
Granted I haven't seen the lower picks from Detroit play as much. Not to mention detroit had had most of their draft picks hurt a good deal already. Of course this could change if Staff turns out to be the real deal in the future.

regoob2 · 11-30-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TitleTown088

I think you can pretty clearly say it's GB so far.
Stud OLB ( Matthews)
A DE/NT who is really starting to show why he went #9 overall( Raji)
A nice swingman OL who has had a few solid starts (Lang)
Another stating OLB now, who seems to be serviceable. This is based on just a few starts though. ( Jones)
A rookie CB who is now getting some PT as the nickelback ( underwood)

I'd say based on this season Minny had the 2nd best draft with Harvin and Loadholt alone.
Granted I haven't seen the lower picks from Detroit play as much. Not to mention detroit had had most of their draft picks hurt a good deal already. Of course this could change if Staff turns out to be the real deal in the future.

Stud OLB? lol. What? Is he even a full time starter? He appears to be in a rotation. In the Lions no doubt. Bears draft is dead last. Id take Minny over GB as well. Harvin and Loadholt are playing well.

Brothgar · 11-30-2009, 12:00 PM

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#1 overall - Matthew Stafford, QB - Georgia - 11 TDS, 14 INTS - 1,911 yrds - 66.9 rating

Had his breakout game against the Browns (422 yrds, 5 TDS 2 INT). I was worried after the Seattle game (5 INTS) and I didn't like the 50+ pass attempts in two consecutive weeks. He has heart and brings something to the QB position we haven't had in a LONG time. I don't think Joey Harrington would have done what Stafford did against the Browns. I just hope he can stay healthy.

#20 overall - Brandon Pettigrew, TE - Ok. State - 29 catches, 334 yards 2 TDs

Has been highly criticized from the get go because of the players that were drafted him. We need to be patient with Pettigrew. After the drops and inconsistent play earlier in the season things could have gone south for him, but he battled through and is developing every week. I love the matchups he creates and once Stafford learns where to throw the ball to utilize his size then we are money. His blocking has left a lot to be desired and thats where we thought he would excel in right away. He is a complete TE and is going to open things up for the offense.

2nd round - Louis Delmas, FS - Western Michigan - 55 tackles, 1 INT, 1 sack in 9 games played
Won defensive rookie of the month earlier this year. Has brought some much needed talent to the secondary. Still has a lot of learning to do, but you have to like what he's brought to the table so far. I'd like to bring in a veteran SS next year to pair him up with. Seems like a lot of blown coverages are coming from the safety position but I'm not sure which one.

3rd round - Deandre Levy, WLB - Wisconsion - 47 tackles, 1 FF, 1 INT in 10 games played, 5 started
Stepped in for Ernie Sims and seemed to immediately be more productive than him. Brings new energy to the defense and is a good blitzer. Love having Peterson and Foote around to help him ease into the league. Already basically supplanted Sims.

3rd round - Derrick Williams, WR - Penn State
Has battled injuries since training camp, was doing a decent job on kickoffs until he got hurt again. Only 5 recs for 47 yrds so far this year, but WRs take a while to develop and he is a raw prospect. I think he can be our slot guy of the future and I like his speed.

4th round - Sammie Lee Hill, DT - Stillman
Scott Wright had Hill as a sleeper from early on in the draft process, and was pretty happy when he drafted. I didn't think it turn out so well like it has though. He was incredibly raw coming out and not in the best shape. I think once the season is over and he gets a chance to recover and then have another training camp he is going to have a better NFL body. This guy has the raw talent or he wouldn't be starting for us. Solid solid pick.

6th round - Aaron Brown, RB - TCU
Brown brings some team speed that we have been lacking in years past. He can contribute in the return game, as a WR, and a speedy scat back. He caught a TD pass from Stafford against the Browns. For a sixth round pick I like the potential here.

7th round - Zack Follett, LB - Cal
Has already made a memorable special teams hit earlier in the year and brings some much needed energy to a poor special teams unit. Him and Dizon are good players to have on the roster.

7th round - Lyndon Murtha, OT - Nebraska
Claimed off the practice squad.

7th round - Dan Gronkowski, TE - Maryland
Made some nice catches in pre-season, on the practice squad. Hopefully he takes the third TE spot next year.

Mayhew's first draft class have been incredibly fruitful. To hit on so many picks makes me believe in his ability as a GM. You can be lucky and hit on a few picks but this was just a really solid draft class. I'm already looking forward to what he does with this next draft.

Lions I think are the best draft.

jackalope · 11-30-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TitleTown088

I think you can pretty clearly say it's GB so far.
Stud OLB ( Matthews)
A DE/NT who is really starting to show why he went #9 overall( Raji)
A nice swingman OL who has had a few solid starts (Lang)
Another stating OLB now, who seems to be serviceable. This is based on just a few starts though. ( Jones)
A rookie CB who is now getting some PT as the nickelback ( underwood)

I'd say based on this season Minny had the 2nd best draft with Harvin and Loadholt alone.
Granted I haven't seen the lower picks from Detroit play as much. Not to mention detroit had had most of their draft picks hurt a good deal already. Of course this could change if Staff turns out to be the real deal in the future.

Quinn Johnson has also looked good lately. I have high hopes for him.

And, yes, Clay Matthews is a stud.

TitleTown088 · 12-02-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by regoob2

Stud OLB? lol. What? Is he even a full time starter? He appears to be in a rotation. In the Lions no doubt. Bears draft is dead last. Id take Minny over GB as well. Harvin and Loadholt are playing well.

Well, that post makes it blatantly obvious you haven't watched the Packers play too often this season.

regoob2 · 12-02-2009, 09:00 PM

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Well, that post makes it blatantly obvious you haven't watched the Packers play too often this season.

Ive watched several. Just not the ones against the Lions where the majority of his sacks came from. He seems to be pretty aggressive but never shed a block.

Brothgar · 12-02-2009, 11:55 PM

Lions draft: All but one player is on an active 53 man roster can anyone else say that?

DHVF · 12-03-2009, 12:18 AM

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Lions draft: All but one player is on an active 53 man roster can anyone else say that?

Umm I know the Vikings can, seeing as how all of their draft picks are on their 53 man roster.

regoob2 · 12-03-2009, 12:29 AM

Well the Bears top pick was active for one game....
Iglesias none
Melton on the IR
Moore none
Freeman was cut

Well Afalava is horrible in coverage and Knox is ok.....

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