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Old 03-05-2007, 07:49 PM    (permalink
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Very good trade for both teams. I think Jones will be a very effective back in New York.
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Great deal for the Jets. Benson betterr be able to carry the load.
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On a side note, Jones holds the records for most yards in a playoff game, which he set this year against the Saints. Kinda odd that he's leaving with a record for a runningback considering the pedigree that this team has at the position historically.
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This is a steal for the Jets! Did Thomas Jones want out?
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Excellent. Now we don't need Leonard, because he sorta worried me. Good trade!
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Solid trade for both sides.

Jets get an every down back to pair up with the up and coming Leon Washington. Jones is what they need in the sense that he can grind it out for 25 carries a game and stil be effective late in games to play the style of football Mangini wants. If they continue to build that O-line with say a Blalock, Grubbs, or Sears....Jones could have a HUGE year.

Bears are catching on that the picks after #40 are not that valuable because the depth in this draft is weak. I love seeing this because I have been bashed for saying this draft is weak overall but here I am watching 3 of the best drafting teams in the NFL (Pats, Bears, Broncos) strengthining my point. They will get two more very solid players with 31 and 37 and if they decided to stay with defense, I could easily see Timmons and Nelson in Chicago which is downright scary if you think about it.
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I don't really see how the value of the 67th pick is a steal when the Hawks and Cards couldn't get a 2nd for Edge or Alexander. It's a fine trade for the Jets, but a steal it is not.
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I don't really see how the value of the 67th pick is a steal when the Hawks and Cards couldn't get a 2nd for Edge or Alexander. It's a fine trade for the Jets, but a steal it is not.

For the reasons you've given it's a steal for the Bears.
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i agree completely, and davis could be a great #3 wr for them, which is why i think olsen would be a great pick if he was still there...


bradley has shown more then enough potential, but he hasnt been able to stay on the field, i think he could be approaching a breakout year...ive seen alot of him from college and he's a huge playmaker, he still hasnt reached his full potential so i dont see why the bears would want to go WR so early
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Old 03-05-2007, 10:19 PM    (permalink
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Very good news for the Jets, a proven every-down back is exactly what we need.
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Olsen isn't a tight end. At least not in the Bears offense. He's way too thin. IF they draft Olsen (which he won't fall to 31 anyway and they won't trade up for him) they would have to completely reinvent their offense. It won't happen.
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I don't like this trade for the Bears. The owners seem to be setting a precedent that they don't want to pay pivotal players on the team, tying this in with the Briggs situation (trade me or else). Another issue is that they already got to the Super Bowl last year. Who's gonna make a bigger difference, Jones or a rookie like Dwayne Jarrett or Greg Olsen? This team's goals seem to be out of whack in that they are contenders to win the NFC every year and now want to change the makeup of their offense from an elite two back system into a shaky one back contingent. This move could be like the Seahawks loss of Steve Hutchinson last year in that it really affects the offense and may cost them a game or two.

For the Jets, it's a no-brainer in that they still have a 2 2nd rounders and now have a stud RB. This team is really on the rise and with the Bills looking to shop McGahee and a possible rookie QB in Miami they could sneak into the playoffs again.
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i like it. i've thought Thomas Jones was a solid back for a long time, and i don't have one objection to him coming to the Jets. solid pickup. plus, now its the end of that "rumor" of Vilma to the Jets, thank goodness
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I don't like this trade for the Bears. The owners seem to be setting a precedent that they don't want to pay pivotal players on the team, tying this in with the Briggs situation (trade me or else). Another issue is that they already got to the Super Bowl last year. Who's gonna make a bigger difference, Jones or a rookie like Dwayne Jarrett or Greg Olsen? This team's goals seem to be out of whack in that they are contenders to win the NFC every year and now want to change the makeup of their offense from an elite two back system into a shaky one back contingent. This move could be like the Seahawks loss of Steve Hutchinson last year in that it really affects the offense and may cost them a game or two.

For the Jets, it's a no-brainer in that they still have a 2 2nd rounders and now have a stud RB. This team is really on the rise and with the Bills looking to shop McGahee and a possible rookie QB in Miami they could sneak into the playoffs again.
This move has nothing at all to do with money. They drafted Benson at #4, he's going into his third year, they're going to start him.

As for your other comments, the smart teams are the ones that plan for the long-term. The Pats and Eagles let players come and go all the time, they seem to do okay for themselves.
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I have to agree, of the top 2 Miller fits the Bears offense more than Olsen does.
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Good trade for the Bears. Benson should have few troubles carrying the load and has looked good in limited appearances, and the Bears now have a higher pick in round 2 to grab a better player.
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The jets get the better end of the deal in my opinion.
Thomas Jones still has roughly 4 solid years left..and will be a 1100 yard rusher behind that young O-Line. Pennington is vastly under reated and if he
can stay healthy the jets are in very good position to be a wild card.

The Bears get an unproven prospect and are now forced to play Benson whether he's ready or not. Personally I was never that high on him and thought he wasn't the kind of RB the Bears needed. They lost a team guy in Jones...and it's going to hurt them.
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The jets get the better end of the deal in my opinion.
Thomas Jones still has roughly 4 solid years left..and will be a 1100 yard rusher behind that young O-Line. Pennington is vastly under reated and if he
can stay healthy the jets are in very good position to be a wild card.

The Bears get an unproven prospect and are now forced to play Benson whether he's ready or not. Personally I was never that high on him and thought he wasn't the kind of RB the Bears needed. They lost a team guy in Jones...and it's going to hurt them.
Jones only would have been with the team for one more year anyway.

And all draft picks are unproven. You would take any player that has produced over a draft pick? As for being "forced" to play Benson, he would have started this year regardless. It's his third year in the league, if he's not ready now he never will be.
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It's a fair deal, and that's all there is too it.


The best thing about this deal, from the Jets' perspective, is that we now do not have to spend a first day pick on a running back. True, we moved down, but that pick would have likely been used on an RB anyhow. This allows us to focus on other areas of need.

Or if the rumor of our trade up to number 2 overall with the Lions for our 1st and a "defensive starter" turns out to be true, we still have 3 first day picks.



The Bears gave up a player who no longer fit with the team, and move up quite a few spots in the process. While everyone in the locker room loves Jones (a good sign for the Jets) he just didn't fit with the ownership as they have big time dollars invested in Benson. He's the A-Rod of the locker room, in that he's getting paid big time dollars, but not many people actually like him and the Bears are stuck with him.


And look at it this way... the Bears now have the Ammo to move up for Brady Quinn, if he slips out of the top 8....
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Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but IMO that's prime position for a trade up should someone they like slip into a reasonable spot. The values for the 31st and 37th picks would allow Chicago to trade into the top fifteen if they wanted. Perhaps not likely, but a possibility I think.
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Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but IMO that's prime position for a trade up should someone they like slip into a reasonable spot. The values for the 31st and 37th picks would allow Chicago to trade into the top fifteen if they wanted. Perhaps not likely, but a possibility I think.
That's what I was saying about Quinn. Rumors keep swirling that he'll slip out of the top 10... if he does, why don't the Bears get a legit QB by trading up?
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Ah deal makes sense I watched the 5:00 news this morning and they said TJ for the Jets 2nd rounder so I was thinking WTF.
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That's what I was saying about Quinn. Rumors keep swirling that he'll slip out of the top 10... if he does, why don't the Bears get a legit QB by trading up?
Angelo does not normally trade draft picks in order to move up in the first round of the draft. He rarely trades up, and given that this trade is basically moving up in the draft for Angelo, I really dont expect it to happen twice in the same year.

Besides, I dont think they will pay first round money to a QB when they already have paid first round money to one QB, and spent more $ on their backup. Having three will just create more problems. I have heard the agruments for the Bears to draft a QB this year, but I dont buy them. Next year maybe, but they need to evaluate Grossman this year to see if he is their guy, and if not they still have Griese and they are developing Orton still.
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i agree completely, and davis could be a great #3 wr for them, which is why i think olsen would be a great pick if he was still there...


bradley has shown more then enough potential, but he hasnt been able to stay on the field, i think he could be approaching a breakout year...ive seen alot of him from college and he's a huge playmaker, he still hasnt reached his full potential so i dont see why the bears would want to go WR so early
It normally takes WR about three years to develop, and at such time Moose will be gone, and Berrian and/or Bradley might not be on the team because their contracts will have run out (even if they are resigned the Bears will still need a physical WR to compliment them). Still, thats not enough to draft one in round one, but if Angelo sticks with going with the best athlete avaailabe, there is a good chance that it will be a wr.
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I just love that we were going to spend that pick on a running back, but now we don't have to, and we still have both picks. I don't see how any Jets fan could be disappointed, as I'd much rather have T.J. carrying the ball than Brian Leonard.
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